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Post by oldie on Apr 17, 2021 13:55:51 GMT
With the pathetic and embarrassing bunch of players you and the other clown Widdrington put together. Should be ashamed of yourself. Ffs would the pair of you grow up it's embarrassing! No dont. In tears here, absolutely priceless. Arguing about sandwiches at the training ground đđđđ
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 13:57:42 GMT
And so the Barton masterclass continues. Lap it up boys and girls. What a manager! Only joking - Everyone knows he's not remotely at fault (even though other managers were). Great run of results. Back to throwing everyone under the bus - medical team's fault now! Certainly not Joey "Pep" Barton tho! Nope, not one bit. Haters gon' hate. Truth hurts it seems Well you have a big summer coming up RD Iâm sure you are hoping JB walks and I think he just might. If he stays will you be supporting him in L2 ?
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Post by oldie on Apr 17, 2021 13:59:33 GMT
And so the Barton masterclass continues. Lap it up boys and girls. What a manager! Only joking - Everyone knows he's not remotely at fault (even though other managers were). Great run of results. Back to throwing everyone under the bus - medical team's fault now! Certainly not Joey "Pep" Barton tho! Nope, not one bit. Haters gon' hate. Truth hurts it seems Well you have a big summer coming up RD Iâm sure you are hoping JB walks and I think he just might. If he stays will you be supporting him in L2 ? Personally no, not him. The team, of course. But not him.
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 17, 2021 14:42:13 GMT
I just have a feeling that Barton is one of those former players who become managers who look down on people that aren't as 'technically' good as he was.
I've listened to a few podcasts from players that played with him, who have all said that he gave managers a hard time for picking players who were 'sh**' and being vocal about it in the dressing room, causing frictions.
If he's moaning about Premier League Footballers being 'sh**' what does he think about coaching a bunch of not very good League 1 players?
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Post by RD on Apr 17, 2021 14:44:44 GMT
And so the Barton masterclass continues. Lap it up boys and girls. What a manager! Only joking - Everyone knows he's not remotely at fault (even though other managers were). Great run of results. Back to throwing everyone under the bus - medical team's fault now! Certainly not Joey "Pep" Barton tho! Nope, not one bit. Haters gon' hate. Truth hurts it seems Well you have a big summer coming up RD Iâm sure you are hoping JB walks and I think he just might. If he stays will you be supporting him in L2 ? I support the club, so will be wishing whoever is in charge the best of luck - as I still do Barton, believe it or not. Of course that said, there's a big difference between that and having confidence they have the ability to deliver results. I personally think Barton talks the talk exceptionally well. However, I'm yet to see any evidence at all he can walk the walk better than Tisdale, Garner et al - and his ppg ratio since taking over backs that up.
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Post by oldie on Apr 17, 2021 14:49:04 GMT
I just have a feeling that Barton is one of those former players who become managers who look down on people that aren't as 'technically' good as he was. I've listened to a few podcasts from players that played with him, who have all said that he gave managers a hard time for picking players who were 'sh**' and being vocal about it in the dressing room, causing frictions. If he's moaning about Premier League Footballers being 'sh**' what does he think about coaching a bunch of not very good League 1 players? Yes I get that impression as well. As well as him having pretentions of being an amateur psychologist.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 17, 2021 14:52:49 GMT
Well you have a big summer coming up RD Iâm sure you are hoping JB walks and I think he just might. If he stays will you be supporting him in L2 ? I support the club, so will be wishing whoever is in charge the best of luck - as I still do Barton, believe it or not. Of course that said, there's a big difference between that and having confidence they have the ability to deliver results. I personally think Barton talks the talk exceptionally well. However, I'm yet to see any evidence at all he can walk the walk better than Tisdale, Garner et al - and his ppg ratio since taking over backs that up. That's fair but as someone who is pro Barton I'd argue hes had a pretty impossible task. We all know we have an unbalanced squad stock piled with full backs and midfielders who are nowhere near the first team yet in their wisdom previous managers thought 3 strikers could get us through a season. I argued that Garner deserved a chance to build his own squad (unfortunately he spectacularly failed) and would argue Barton deserves that same chance.
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Post by RD on Apr 17, 2021 15:28:01 GMT
I support the club, so will be wishing whoever is in charge the best of luck - as I still do Barton, believe it or not. Of course that said, there's a big difference between that and having confidence they have the ability to deliver results. I personally think Barton talks the talk exceptionally well. However, I'm yet to see any evidence at all he can walk the walk better than Tisdale, Garner et al - and his ppg ratio since taking over backs that up. That's fair but as someone who is pro Barton I'd argue hes had a pretty impossible task. We all know we have an unbalanced squad stock piled with full backs and midfielders who are nowhere near the first team yet in their wisdom previous managers thought 3 strikers could get us through a season. I argued that Garner deserved a chance to build his own squad (unfortunately he spectacularly failed) and would argue Barton deserves that same chance. Tisdale didn't think that though - it was his comment bemoaning the striking options that ultimately perhaps cost him his job. The best managers get the best out of what they have. Barton has got LESS out of this bunch than anybody. Personally, I think that's quite a sobering point.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 17, 2021 16:06:32 GMT
That's fair but as someone who is pro Barton I'd argue hes had a pretty impossible task. We all know we have an unbalanced squad stock piled with full backs and midfielders who are nowhere near the first team yet in their wisdom previous managers thought 3 strikers could get us through a season. I argued that Garner deserved a chance to build his own squad (unfortunately he spectacularly failed) and would argue Barton deserves that same chance. Tisdale didn't think that though - it was his comment bemoaning the striking options that ultimately perhaps cost him his job. The best managers get the best out of what they have. Barton has got LESS out of this bunch than anybody. Personally, I think that's quite a sobering point. Tisdale had the opportunity to do something about it though and for whatever reason didnt. Barton hasnt had that chance and has also been without Nicholson who most of us would agree is our most creative player. Points wise he might have got less but I'm not sure that's true performance wise.
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Post by landrover on Apr 17, 2021 17:31:11 GMT
I wasnât over enamoured with Bartonâs appointment but was willing to give him a chance. I am discovering a particularly egotistical prat. His throw away comment on how he wanted to watch proper football from the Champions League was quite revealing. He was being serious as later on in the interview he commented that he was independently well off (why brag unless youâre a big head) and that he didnât think he had reached world class level as a player! Is he seriously saying he has a bit of doubt about that? A dose of reality wouldnât go amiss with this idiot. He was a bog standard defensive midfield player and thatâs it. So far Iâm unimpressed.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 17, 2021 17:36:32 GMT
That's fair but as someone who is pro Barton I'd argue hes had a pretty impossible task. We all know we have an unbalanced squad stock piled with full backs and midfielders who are nowhere near the first team yet in their wisdom previous managers thought 3 strikers could get us through a season. I argued that Garner deserved a chance to build his own squad (unfortunately he spectacularly failed) and would argue Barton deserves that same chance. Tisdale didn't think that though - it was his comment bemoaning the striking options that ultimately perhaps cost him his job. The best managers get the best out of what they have. Barton has got LESS out of this bunch than anybody. Personally, I think that's quite a sobering point. That's not really the case as JB lost Jaakola (for a lengthy spell), Kilgour and Daly (for short spells) Ehmer, Grant, Nicholson and Rodman, (long term) plus Oztumer seems to have never recovered from COVID or simply just given up. Added to that Hanlan has turned into Tom Nichols Mk2, when you see JCH is on course to score 30+ goals you realise what a massive loss he was last summer.
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Post by 4d on Apr 17, 2021 18:13:02 GMT
I support the club, so will be wishing whoever is in charge the best of luck - as I still do Barton, believe it or not. Of course that said, there's a big difference between that and having confidence they have the ability to deliver results. I personally think Barton talks the talk exceptionally well. However, I'm yet to see any evidence at all he can walk the walk better than Tisdale, Garner et al - and his ppg ratio since taking over backs that up. That's fair but as someone who is pro Barton I'd argue hes had a pretty impossible task. We all know we have an unbalanced squad stock piled with full backs and midfielders who are nowhere near the first team yet in their wisdom previous managers thought 3 strikers could get us through a season. I argued that Garner deserved a chance to build his own squad (unfortunately he spectacularly failed) and would argue Barton deserves that same chance. [br Barton definitely deserves that chance. And if we give it to him, and let him build a squad to suit the system and style he wants to play, hopefully weâve learnt our lesson and donât sack him after 11 games if weâre not in the playoffs.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Apr 17, 2021 18:35:26 GMT
I wasnât over enamoured with Bartonâs appointment but was willing to give him a chance. I am discovering a particularly egotistical prat. His throw away comment on how he wanted to watch proper football from the Champions League was quite revealing. He was being serious as later on in the interview he commented that he was independently well off (why brag unless youâre a big head) and that he didnât think he had reached world class level as a player! Is he seriously saying he has a bit of doubt about that? A dose of reality wouldnât go amiss with this idiot. He was a bog standard defensive midfield player and thatâs it. So far Iâm unimpressed. Totally agree that Barton's record with these players is as poor as his two predecessors. It may be that these players are so poor that nobody can do much with them. Perhaps a significant number of players know they won't be here next season so they're just going through the motions as the season drifts by. Some players won't be retained, some may have release clauses in their contracts in the event of relegation, and some out of contract will look for other L1 clubs. Whatever, the reality is that if Barton is manager next season most of he current squad will be playing elsewhere. In my opinion, great. BTW Barton was not a bog standard defensive midfield player. He played at the highest possible level and gained an England cap. Any player good enough to play international football is hardly bog standard. In any case, if he's bog standard, what description can be levelled at our players?
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Post by LJG on Apr 17, 2021 18:38:10 GMT
everything coming out of the club at the moment screams "shambles". But it's not everything coming out of the club though is it? It's not anything coming out of the club. It's everything coming out of Joey Barton's mouth.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 17, 2021 18:44:19 GMT
I love the use of the Kaizen philosophy. Haven't seen much continuous improvement myself at all. I reckon he will be gone in a year if he even lasts that long.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Apr 17, 2021 23:18:03 GMT
Its not the first time players fitness has been questioned when p!Ayers have left us other clubs have said the player has not been looked after fitness wise ? Absolutely! I think itâs shameful that arguably the two most naturally gifted goalscorers weâve had in recent memory, Lambert and Clarke-Harris, have left the club ten years apart but both arrived at their new clubs and within weeks were hailing the attention that was finally placed on their fitness. We raved about both players... but just how good could they have been for us if weâd had someone in situ who made them as fit as they were soon to be at Saints and Posh? ....and how much would that obvious fitness have raised the transfer fees by? I hope the root and branch overhaul means weâll never have to hear again how players fitness has been improved because they have left us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 10:04:48 GMT
Its not the first time players fitness has been questioned when p!Ayers have left us other clubs have said the player has not been looked after fitness wise ? Absolutely! I think itâs shameful that arguably the two most naturally gifted goalscorers weâve had in recent memory, Lambert and Clarke-Harris, have left the club ten years apart but both arrived at their new clubs and within weeks were hailing the attention that was finally placed on their fitness. We raved about both players... but just how good could they have been for us if weâd had someone in situ who made them as fit as they were soon to be at Saints and Posh? ....and how much would that obvious fitness have raised the transfer fees by? I hope the root and branch overhaul means weâll never have to hear again how players fitness has been improved because they have left us. JCH was a poor trainer - these guys are professionals, and have to take some responsibility for the shape they are in (even more so during Covid lockdowns, when the club could only advise and set up some zoom sessions). GC's way of dealing with him was to give him leeway, because he was banging the goals in. BG expected him to knuckle down. He's obviously more motivated at Peterborough - and it's good to see him making the most of his talent, a shame that he didn't have enough respect for the quarters to put 100% effort in.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 18, 2021 12:37:01 GMT
Next time JB does an article or post or zoom., take 20 minutes to pull it apart.
Itâs utter tosh and just out of the Trump playbook.
Players injured due to preseason?
He cites JCH being overweight, Daly being injured in April, Josh Grant injured in April and Rodman injured in April as an example
1. JCH came back from lockdown severely overweight (look at the pics and reviews of early preseason). Preseason started late in July this year and he was gone by mid August. He literally had 4 weeks training with us.
2. Rodman had a virus all pre season and didnât come back to the squad until November!!!
3. Josh Grant played 36 full games in his first season of menâs football without injury and had his first injury at the end of March!
4. James Daly missed a few weeks in pre season with food poisoning but after that was fit as a fiddle chasing down defences and scoring goals. He has had an ankle injury this year suffered against Darlington which has nothing to do with fitness!
Whether you like JB or not surely you can see this is just nonsense and waffle to deflect from his shortcomings? The whole âeveryone is against me its not my faultâ approach.
If Barton was so clever why is he asking players to play a high intensity pressing game whilst also telling the world these players arenât fit enough to play a high intensity pressing game?
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