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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2021 16:11:50 GMT
I think the comment 'Can we afford a Director of Football in Division 4?" is a good one AND could be the easy get out for Wael ... We can't and would make a good reason for Widdrington to clear his desk. Can we also afford the Fraud Starnes, should also be reviewed - Little if any constructive output, shocking decision making and possibly THE Arch Villain in this woeful Pantomime. It is a good question but iirc weren’t we told that TWs duties would remain as head of recruitment when it was changed when Tis came in. We still need a HoR imo even if we are in Div 4 or do we go back to having no HoR and the days when DC seemed to be doing everything. I get the frustration with TW the man, for the Summers recruitment but the role of HoR is still needed. Yes, we are all p***** off with how it’s gone but we need to be careful what we do now. Some calm heads needed. If we throw everything out and start again it could go even worse. Make the changes needed in a footballing sense and we could have a good season. Not everything needs changing. UTG!
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Post by Jomo on Apr 26, 2021 16:51:05 GMT
I think the comment 'Can we afford a Director of Football in Division 4?" is a good one AND could be the easy get out for Wael ... We can't and would make a good reason for Widdrington to clear his desk. Can we also afford the Fraud Starnes, should also be reviewed - Little if any constructive output, shocking decision making and possibly THE Arch Villain in this woeful Pantomime. It is a good question but iirc weren’t we told that TWs duties would remain as head of recruitment when it was changed when Tis came in. We still need a HoR imo even if we are in Div 4 or do we go back to having no HoR and the days when DC seemed to be doing everything. I get the frustration with TW the man, for the Summers recruitment but the role of HoR is still needed. Yes, we are all p***** off with how it’s gone but we need to be careful what we do now. Some calm heads needed. If we throw everything out and start again it could go even worse. Make the changes needed in a footballing sense and we could have a good season. Not everything needs changing. UTG! Sensible voice of reason. Thanks wareham.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2021 17:19:46 GMT
I think the comment 'Can we afford a Director of Football in Division 4?" is a good one AND could be the easy get out for Wael ... We can't and would make a good reason for Widdrington to clear his desk. Can we also afford the Fraud Starnes, should also be reviewed - Little if any constructive output, shocking decision making and possibly THE Arch Villain in this woeful Pantomime. It is a good question but iirc weren’t we told that TWs duties would remain as head of recruitment when it was changed when Tis came in. We still need a HoR imo even if we are in Div 4 or do we go back to having no HoR and the days when DC seemed to be doing everything. I get the frustration with TW the man, for the Summers recruitment but the role of HoR is still needed. Yes, we are all p***** off with how it’s gone but we need to be careful what we do now. Some calm heads needed. If we throw everything out and start again it could go even worse. Make the changes needed in a footballing sense and we could have a good season. Not everything needs changing. UTG! Surely JB's lining up his mate Eddy Jennings as TW's replacement, as I can't see he's staying in Bristol and working for free just as a favour to JB.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2021 17:33:52 GMT
It is a good question but iirc weren’t we told that TWs duties would remain as head of recruitment when it was changed when Tis came in. We still need a HoR imo even if we are in Div 4 or do we go back to having no HoR and the days when DC seemed to be doing everything. I get the frustration with TW the man, for the Summers recruitment but the role of HoR is still needed. Yes, we are all p***** off with how it’s gone but we need to be careful what we do now. Some calm heads needed. If we throw everything out and start again it could go even worse. Make the changes needed in a footballing sense and we could have a good season. Not everything needs changing. UTG! Surely JB's lining up his mate Eddy Jennings as TW's replacement, as I can't see he's staying in Bristol and working for free just as a favour to JB. Perhaps but I hope any decision is made for the benefit of BRFC, not JB and Associates Ltd. As I said, some calm heads needed. We don’t need a friend of the manager we need a HoR and we currently have one. If it’s a colleague of JB or any manager then when the manager goes so will the HoR. That is not what we need. UTG!
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Post by landrover on Apr 26, 2021 18:42:14 GMT
Has the game changed that much from the seventies or even the nineties? Why on earth do we need a Head of Recruitment or worse, a Director of Football. These positions are a recipe for disaster anyway. Managers seem to do a lot less than their predecessors. Surely they can talk to agents whilst they’re on the road to watch a player and they can watch videos any time they wish. What happened to the scouting networks which always ended with the manager taking a look for himself, just to confirm their thinking. I’m aware that Covid has messed many plans but this laziness was going on beforehand. It’s when job specifications become blurred that the blame game begins.
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Post by oldie on Apr 26, 2021 18:44:24 GMT
Has the game changed that much from the seventies or even the nineties? Why on earth do we need a Head of Recruitment or worse, a Director of Football. These positions are a recipe for disaster anyway. Managers seem to do a lot less than their predecessors. Surely they can talk to agents whilst they’re on the road to watch a player and they can watch videos any time they wish. What happened to the scouting networks which always ended with the manager taking a look for himself, just to confirm their thinking. I’m aware that Covid has messed many plans but this laziness was going on beforehand. It’s when job specifications become blurred that the blame game begins. Its all about ability.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 26, 2021 18:49:23 GMT
It's no surprise that the club will be taking a break from social media. This direct hounding out of people is disgusting. I think it one thing for us to talk about TW on here and his position at the club but to include him in very public post outing him is horrible behaviour.
Whether you think TW is to blame or done a good job, personal attacks are a step too far.
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Post by graceyboy on Apr 26, 2021 18:58:44 GMT
I doubt he's gone. People like him cling on til the bitter end. Probably a rumour circulated by an undercover Ted like Keith chimp
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 26, 2021 19:12:22 GMT
Widdrington cant be feeling very wanted at the moment. I've seen loads of Twitter posts from fans asking Wael to sack him and linking both their @ names in (and even Bartons!) Eg; Always feel uncomfortable when people tag whoever they want sacked/released/not selected in their posts on social media. Like fine have your opinion, but no need to actually tag them in it is there? Can’t be very good for Tommy’s or anyone’s mental health to open their phone one day and find loads of alerts for messages calling for them to be sacked from their employment. Same goes for people that tag Wael in angry messages. It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking.
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Post by Westy on Apr 26, 2021 19:30:26 GMT
Widdrington cant be feeling very wanted at the moment. I've seen loads of Twitter posts from fans asking Wael to sack him and linking both their @ names in (and even Bartons!) Eg; Always feel uncomfortable when people tag whoever they want sacked/released/not selected in their posts on social media. Like fine have your opinion, but no need to actually tag them in it is there? Can’t be very good for Tommy’s or anyone’s mental health to open their phone one day and find loads of alerts for messages calling for them to be sacked from their employment. Same goes for people that tag Wael in angry messages. 99% completely agree. 1% of me thinks if you can't handle scrutiny and criticism, then a job in the public eye just isn't the one!
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Post by axegas on Apr 26, 2021 19:33:10 GMT
Always feel uncomfortable when people tag whoever they want sacked/released/not selected in their posts on social media. Like fine have your opinion, but no need to actually tag them in it is there? Can’t be very good for Tommy’s or anyone’s mental health to open their phone one day and find loads of alerts for messages calling for them to be sacked from their employment. Same goes for people that tag Wael in angry messages. It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. I think you’ve misinterpreted my point really because I’m not inferring that criticism is a mental health issue. Criticism if done in the right way is invaluable in the process of trying to better ourselves. Those guys are fully entitled to their criticisms, heck I probably share them in a less aggressive, direct way. However, that said it does affect mental health if you open your phone up to find a message you’re tagged in calling yourself a sorry excuse of a man, to me that’s indisputable. Obviously everyone deals with their mental health in different ways, some shrug that kind of thing off whilst others take it really to heart but the point is if you’re going to have opinions like those, it’s probably best to think before tagging people in them. Anyone that has stuff like that tweeted directly at them gets my sympathy. Let’s put this into perspective, TW has done a poor job in the transfer window as head of recruitment at a football club, he’s not a criminal or any of the other things you mention. If someone had say tagged TW in a tweet full of constructive criticism or less personal, aggressive criticism, I’d be all for that. Likewise if they’d posted what they posted without tagging people in, I would be okay with that too.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2021 19:40:24 GMT
Has the game changed that much from the seventies or even the nineties? Why on earth do we need a Head of Recruitment or worse, a Director of Football. These positions are a recipe for disaster anyway. Managers seem to do a lot less than their predecessors. Surely they can talk to agents whilst they’re on the road to watch a player and they can watch videos any time they wish. What happened to the scouting networks which always ended with the manager taking a look for himself, just to confirm their thinking. I’m aware that Covid has messed many plans but this laziness was going on beforehand. It’s when job specifications become blurred that the blame game begins. I guess you’re right to an extent landrover but for DOF or even HoR which is what they’re called now, in the 70s or 90s they might have been called Chief Scout I suppose. Either way you need someone in charge of the scouting network, someone to liaise directly with the manager. I certainly wouldn’t want them relying upon talking to agents because the agents would be representing players not accountable to BRFC, and certainly not objective about players. Whatever you want to call them the role is needed and we’ve had them at Rovers ever since Stan Montgomery in the 60s when he recruited so many good Welsh players. UTG!
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Post by Westy on Apr 26, 2021 19:40:45 GMT
Always feel uncomfortable when people tag whoever they want sacked/released/not selected in their posts on social media. Like fine have your opinion, but no need to actually tag them in it is there? Can’t be very good for Tommy’s or anyone’s mental health to open their phone one day and find loads of alerts for messages calling for them to be sacked from their employment. Same goes for people that tag Wael in angry messages. It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment !
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Post by axegas on Apr 26, 2021 19:51:05 GMT
It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment ! Massive respect to you for writing that Westy, it’s not easy opening up to an Internet forum full of strangers. Good luck to you in your battle, I hope you win it and get all the support you need to get you back to work again.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2021 20:04:57 GMT
It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment ! It’s a remarkably brave thing to do Westy, can’t have been easy to post. I hope you soon get the support you’re seeking as soon as possible. Respect to you. UTG!
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Apr 26, 2021 20:47:48 GMT
Always feel uncomfortable when people tag whoever they want sacked/released/not selected in their posts on social media. Like fine have your opinion, but no need to actually tag them in it is there? Can’t be very good for Tommy’s or anyone’s mental health to open their phone one day and find loads of alerts for messages calling for them to be sacked from their employment. Same goes for people that tag Wael in angry messages. It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Speaking as somebody that has suffered with their mental health and to some extent still does, I agree with this
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 22:16:12 GMT
It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment ! Well done for speaking out about your situation - it takes courage. I'm not sure where the extra money allocated to mental health has been spent, but it doesn't seem to have got any easier for people to access the services which they so desperately need. Keep persevering, and good luck.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Apr 26, 2021 22:54:20 GMT
It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment ! Thank you for posting this mate - massive respect to you. As others have already said, really hope you get the support you need & deserve very soon.
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 27, 2021 5:49:00 GMT
It’s poor form to do this I agree but I dislike the term mental health in this context as it infers that criticising people makes it a health issue and therefore not the consequences of their actions. By all means, it should be noted that it’s distasteful and shows poor judgement, and it’s aggressive, but nobody has the privilege of avoiding the consequences of their actions as hearing others views would damage their self esteem and therefore their mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to pick a fight with you personally on this and nitpick the words you use, but there is a creeping tone generally recently in all walks of life of rejecting personal responsibility and standards in favour of misplaced sympathy. Sympathy is undeserved if your actions have caused - drug addicts, criminals, the slovenly, and those who are too weak willed to function normally despite many opportunities should not be given sympathy and certainly shouldn’t be protected form the consequences of criticism on the basis it may upset them. If anything I’m having a pop at this way of thinking. Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment ! .....and my post wasn’t aimed at people like you who are genuinely off work with a mental health issue. I lost my best friend last year, incidentally this was due to a minor anxiety issue and the medication given to him he then subsequently abused and the withdrawal crippled him. Just so you know, they were benzodiazepines and many others have lost friends due to these substances. in the case of many others, it’s the other way around. Drug abuse causes the mental health issue, not the other way around and it’s difficult to tell. Weekend users often end up with depression/anxiety/stress and the root cause is the drug use, and this creates the mental health issue. Having seen people come off and become miraculously cured when they aren’t stuffing £150 up their nose of a weekend, or drinking a cabinet of booze ....many people have only themselves to blame. What I object to is with any of the above, you would be hard pushed in the modern narrative to find any circumstance when people would be willing to say “yeah, it’s someone’s own responsibility and they need to change”. People tend to rush to “no, but it’s not their fault because of x,y and z”. Not so, it’s the reason why you can’t get help in my opinion. Just so you know as well, I have a few scars from my own mental health issues and a couple of hospital trips so it isn’t like I don’t know this....I actually paid for therapy but I found the entire system is designed by middle class women for middle class women, they had no idea how to help a young man and thought I just wanted a sympathetic ear. I have more to thank for my boss who gave some tough love and built me a plan of action to get my self respect back. Anyway, didn’t mean any offence to you and the struggle you’re going through. I’ve been around it my whole life and I can get a bit callous because I’ve seen people ruin their lives and the lives of others with booze, drugs, gambling etc and it’s hard to feel compassionate about it. If you can’t work and are doing all the right things then you aren’t one of these people and I apologise for any offence caused. I just think we’ve somewhat lost our standards as a society and can show compassion sometimes to people who don’t deserve it. Clearly you do deserve help and support so please don’t think I’m having a pop.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 27, 2021 7:22:15 GMT
Getting back to widdrington - I don’t want to be in any way nasty and vindictive towards him - he just made a very poor job of assembling a squad that was able to play as a team . Fact - if JB stays widdrington job is untenable,. Utg 💙🙁
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