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Post by Quarters on Apr 27, 2021 8:42:24 GMT
Getting back to widdrington - I don’t want to be in any way nasty and vindictive towards him - he just made a very poor job of assembling a squad that was able to play as a team . Fact - if JB stays widdrington job is untenable,. Utg 💙🙁 Why is it a fact? I thought the understanding is that the manager has always signed the players. TW and his team provide a list of players that fit the specification list given and are or maybe available.. As individuals I would suggest the majority of the signings have been good players, they just not made a good team. No manager has the time to "scout" all the leagues to find a player. Look at the players signed during GC's reign, were these bad players? Just some then did not fit in BG's "team" and the style he wanted to play. JB wants to build a new squad, understandably, easier players to get out are those out of contract. There are some he will listen to offers on so looks like he will be looking at 11+ players to sign. Do you think JB has a list of 20+ players he can hope to get to join (first and second choice for each position).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 8:55:32 GMT
Just want to chime in and say: drug addiction is often a symptom of untreated mental health problems that the NHS just laugh off. Picked a nerve, so I'll elaborate. I've been signed off of work for 2 years now "on the sick", in that time I've been to my doctor every 2 weeks to try and get get help for my mental health. The impacts of being unsupported are that I have to support myself. If I drink a bottle of wine a night, I can be in bed before 12, wake up at 6, and go to work on a full nights sleep. Now... I know that's unsustainable, and the problems that has caused me are a story for another day, but when I can't access service for underlying mental health problems (my doctor thinks I may either be bipolar, or have BDP, but can't refer me to *proper* help (her own words) until I've not touched a single drink for 4 months. I've been off the sauce for nearly 6 months now, and my mental health is atrocious, back to not sleeping, flashbacks and depression. Still have to wait to be seen. Almost relapsed a few weeks ago, phoned the Mental Heath Crisis Line to be asked "what help do you think you need?" Which wasn't the answer I was looking for. Prescription for a bottle of wine and I'll be back to a fully functioning member of society thank you ma'am. You reach out, ask for help, and there isn't any. Totally get this whole "cry for help" when people jump from little bridges. Seems like the only way you can see a psychologist is when you do something stupid. If you make it. So back to a point, first hand experience says that addiction may be the only thing that makes a person have enough will to function properly. If I went back to drinking a bottle of wine a night, I'd be up for work. I'm not drinking, mental health all over the place, not back to work. Seems like an easy answer to that... Anyways, rant over. Not directed at you as such gulfofaden just a soapbox moment ! Massive respect to you for writing that Westy, it’s not easy opening up to an Internet forum full of strangers. Good luck to you in your battle, I hope you win it and get all the support you need to get you back to work again. The very best to you. Its a horrible place to be, I hope you have someone close.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 27, 2021 8:56:30 GMT
I thought that’s what I said ‘ unable to play as a team ‘.
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Post by Quarters on Apr 27, 2021 9:01:57 GMT
I thought that’s what I said ‘ unable to play as a team ‘. But he did not assemble, was BG's choice first window.
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Post by TAGas on Apr 27, 2021 9:21:19 GMT
I think some people are correct in that TW and his team will provide a list of players and then it's up to the manager to pick or not pick them, but PT should have picked someone rather than no one.
I feel in January a head of recruitment and DOF he should have made the signing of a striker whether PT wanted them or not as it doesn't take a genius to work out we needed at least one
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 27, 2021 9:25:07 GMT
I thought that’s what I said ‘ unable to play as a team ‘. But he did not assemble, was BG's choice first window. Would you keep widdrington ?
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Post by landrover on Apr 27, 2021 10:04:30 GMT
I think some people are correct in that TW and his team will provide a list of players and then it's up to the manager to pick or not pick them, but PT should have picked someone rather than no one. I feel in January a head of recruitment and DOF he should have made the signing of a striker whether PT wanted them or not as it doesn't take a genius to work out we needed at least one This is what I mean when I say that individual jobs cannot over run into another persons remit. It’s this blurring of the lines that creates chaos and the blame culture. Each position must have a specific independent task. You simply can’t have one person picking the team that composes of someone else’s judgements. Well you can but don’t expect to be successful. Doubtless the CEO will have a view on team selections. Why should he? The same applies to the Chairman, well what qualifications would he have? The fact it’s his money is a problem in itself. Ultimately the manager will be the scapegoat but you can be sure interference from above will have played a big part, especially if there’s a DoF.
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Post by RD on Apr 27, 2021 10:10:19 GMT
I think some people are correct in that TW and his team will provide a list of players and then it's up to the manager to pick or not pick them, but PT should have picked someone rather than no one. I feel in January a head of recruitment and DOF he should have made the signing of a striker whether PT wanted them or not as it doesn't take a genius to work out we needed at least one But he did? He tried to sign Stockley and failed - that is a fact. He may also have tried to sign others and come close, that we don't know of. Certainly not aimed at yourself directly, but there seems to be a kind of "Gaschat fact" that's emerged that PT didn't even want/try to sign a striker. That's definitely incorrect. I think he knew only too well how badly we needed a new striker (pretty much his last ever comments in charge of the club backed that up). So it was almost certainly one of the following: - PT did all he could to address the problem, but for whatever reason it failed (almost certainly not his fault) - PT went after one or two which weren't maybe that realistic, but maybe Tommy's blackbook was full of utter dross (most of the signings to date back that up) Either way, I don't really see it as PTs fault TBH. Ultimately we'll never know, but it's laughable that it's now become "Gaschat fact" that PT never wanted a striker or attempted to sign one.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 27, 2021 10:18:43 GMT
I think some people are correct in that TW and his team will provide a list of players and then it's up to the manager to pick or not pick them, but PT should have picked someone rather than no one. I feel in January a head of recruitment and DOF he should have made the signing of a striker whether PT wanted them or not as it doesn't take a genius to work out we needed at least one But he did? He tried to sign Stockley and failed - that is a fact. He may also have tried to sign others and come close, that we don't know of. Certainly not aimed at yourself directly, but there seems to be a kind of "Gaschat fact" that's emerged that PT didn't even want/try to sign a striker. That's definitely incorrect. I think he knew only too well how badly we needed a new striker (pretty much his last ever comments in charge of the club backed that up). So it was almost certainly one of the following: - PT did all he could to address the problem, but for whatever reason it failed (almost certainly not his fault) - PT went after one or two which weren't maybe that realistic, but maybe Tommy's blackbook was full of utter dross (most of the signings to date back that up) Either way, I don't really see it as PTs fault TBH. Ultimately we'll never know, but it's laughable that it's now become "Gaschat fact" that PT never wanted a striker or attempted to sign one. I disagree about your part on Tisdale fault. We never had an issue in bringing players into the club until Tisdale was in charge. Not saying it’s entirely his fault, but he has to take responsibility with TW. He told us he used the Covid break to firm up transfer plans with TW and they were prepared, yet the opposite was true in reality.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 27, 2021 10:29:43 GMT
It’s interesting that the only words from the club since relegation was official have been from Barton. I’m not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing. I applauded Wael’s words last week. It just makes me wonder if something might be afoot, or if they are unsure how to respond or in which direction to go. You’d surely expect something from Starnes soon.
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Post by lpgas1 on Apr 27, 2021 11:14:00 GMT
It’s interesting that the only words from the club since relegation was official have been from Barton. I’m not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing. I applauded Wael’s words last week. It just makes me wonder if something might be afoot, or if they are unsure how to respond or in which direction to go. You’d surely expect something from Starnes soon. An appology would be good. However when you think Starnes oversees the everyday running of the club you have to say he is as responsible as Widdrington. I mean, did he even ask "why do we only have one striker who has played in the league?"
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 27, 2021 11:40:43 GMT
I think some people are correct in that TW and his team will provide a list of players and then it's up to the manager to pick or not pick them, but PT should have picked someone rather than no one. I feel in January a head of recruitment and DOF he should have made the signing of a striker whether PT wanted them or not as it doesn't take a genius to work out we needed at least one But he did? He tried to sign Stockley and failed - that is a fact. He may also have tried to sign others and come close, that we don't know of. Certainly not aimed at yourself directly, but there seems to be a kind of "Gaschat fact" that's emerged that PT didn't even want/try to sign a striker. That's definitely incorrect. I think he knew only too well how badly we needed a new striker (pretty much his last ever comments in charge of the club backed that up). So it was almost certainly one of the following: - PT did all he could to address the problem, but for whatever reason it failed (almost certainly not his fault) - PT went after one or two which weren't maybe that realistic, but maybe Tommy's blackbook was full of utter dross (most of the signings to date back that up) Either way, I don't really see it as PTs fault TBH. Ultimately we'll never know, but it's laughable that it's now become "Gaschat fact" that PT never wanted a striker or attempted to sign one. I’m certainly guilty of peddling that Gaschat fact. However when I say it, it’s not that he didn’t literally try. It’s because as an outsider he didn’t try hard enough. Putting aside what anyone has said for a minute about what actually happened, the cold hard facts are that he didn’t sign anyone. All we needed was a pair of loanees from a premier league club or free agents looking to make an impression. A roll of the dice. We weren’t expecting Jonson Clarke Harris. We were expecting a Tyler Smith, Dom Telford or Alex Jakubiak. Just some players to have a go. What I’ve heard from a reliable source backs that up too.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 27, 2021 12:28:28 GMT
Going into Jan we should have had plans abcdef for strikers. We should have gone all out for Gnanduliett and paid him what he wanted. But we didn’t, because PT wanted Stockley, who dragged it out until we were left with nothing.
All the eggs went into those baskets and nothing came off. The annoying thing is Gnanduliett was a free agent and spending a little more on him and offering it early in the window could have saved us from relegation.
It’s absolutely unforgivable for me that between TW and PT that they both failed, in equal measure, at their jobs in January.
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Post by clockendgas on Apr 27, 2021 12:56:27 GMT
Wallys just been on points west,basically said tisdale thought our strikers could deliver and he took his word for it,to me wallys to nice a guy to in charge,hopefully I'm wrong.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 27, 2021 13:10:14 GMT
Wallys just been on points west,basically said tisdale thought our strikers could deliver and he took his word for it,to me wallys to nice a guy to in charge,hopefully I'm wrong. Who do you mean by Wally?
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Post by clockendgas on Apr 27, 2021 13:15:28 GMT
Wallys just been on points west,basically said tisdale thought our strikers could deliver and he took his word for it,to me wallys to nice a guy to in charge,hopefully I'm wrong. Who do you mean by Wally? The top man obviously
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 27, 2021 13:22:55 GMT
Wallys just been on points west,basically said tisdale thought our strikers could deliver and he took his word for it,to me wallys to nice a guy to in charge,hopefully I'm wrong. That's nothing like what he said. He said, 'there have been managers in the past who put their faith and trust completely in players they have known for a while and I think that's where it went wrong because we were relying on that trust and faith in a certain player to come through and in the end it didn't.
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Post by clockendgas on Apr 27, 2021 13:32:05 GMT
Wallys just been on points west,basically said tisdale thought our strikers could deliver and he took his word for it,to me wallys to nice a guy to in charge,hopefully I'm wrong. That's nothing like what he said. He said, 'there have been managers in the past who put their faith and trust completely in players they have known for a while and I think that's where it went wrong because we were relying on that trust and faith in a certain player to come through and in the end it didn't. then showed a picture of tisdale! You read it your way I'll read it mine
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Post by SleepyGas on Apr 27, 2021 13:33:21 GMT
I just watched the Points West interview on iPlayer. Wael was very non-committal when asked whether Tommy Widdrington will still be in charge of recruitment this summer....
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Post by RD on Apr 27, 2021 13:33:58 GMT
But he did? He tried to sign Stockley and failed - that is a fact. He may also have tried to sign others and come close, that we don't know of. Certainly not aimed at yourself directly, but there seems to be a kind of "Gaschat fact" that's emerged that PT didn't even want/try to sign a striker. That's definitely incorrect. I think he knew only too well how badly we needed a new striker (pretty much his last ever comments in charge of the club backed that up). So it was almost certainly one of the following: - PT did all he could to address the problem, but for whatever reason it failed (almost certainly not his fault) - PT went after one or two which weren't maybe that realistic, but maybe Tommy's blackbook was full of utter dross (most of the signings to date back that up) Either way, I don't really see it as PTs fault TBH. Ultimately we'll never know, but it's laughable that it's now become "Gaschat fact" that PT never wanted a striker or attempted to sign one. I’m certainly guilty of peddling that Gaschat fact. However when I say it, it’s not that he didn’t literally try. It’s because as an outsider he didn’t try hard enough. Putting aside what anyone has said for a minute about what actually happened, the cold hard facts are that he didn’t sign anyone. All we needed was a pair of loanees from a premier league club or free agents looking to make an impression. A roll of the dice. We weren’t expecting Jonson Clarke Harris. We were expecting a Tyler Smith, Dom Telford or Alex Jakubiak. Just some players to have a go. What I’ve heard from a reliable source backs that up too. I do get that, but again - "didn't try hard enough" - no one knows how hard the guy tried. What's more likely is that nobody wanted to come to a shambles of an outfit that was on a horrendous run of form and would probably be playing L2 football next season; even Prem/Championship teams might have thought twice about sending youngsters in to an environment like that. Don't get me wrong - I understand the chain of thought and it may well actually be correct. But the rhetoric always seems to be along the lines of PT not trying hard enough or not wanting someone when there's only so much the bloke can do. I mean, you'll have several "groups" of players: - Too good, not interested - Interested, not enough money for their wages - Interested, not enough money for their transfer fee - Interested and technically doable but gazumped by another team - All good, signs on the dotted line Considering we were reportedly close to our wage cap, it was January and - to top it off we looked like we'd potentially be in L2 next year - and I don't think it was ever going to be a case of "we want someone so we'll get someone". I mean, in hindsight we probably should have just signed ANYONE. But given the mantra was to only improve on what we've got (understandably you could argue at that point in time), signing either a proven goalscorer or a very, very promising young talent - it's no wonder we struggled. January + proven goalscorer = serious money. And very, very promising young talent + team in horrendous form = less attractive than other teams likely to be interested. I think Tisdale clearly wanted to improve the striking options and so logically surely he'd do all he could to do so?? I mean why wouldn't he? It cost him his job, our L1 status.... I can't believe a man of his experience wasn't that fussed.
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