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Post by lympstonegas on May 30, 2021 16:03:47 GMT
Top three all promoted then
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Post by Gashead73 on May 30, 2021 16:09:33 GMT
Congrats to Blackpool, a deserved promotion
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 16:34:32 GMT
The play off finals. Toss the coin. The best day of your life. (In football terms) The worst day of your life. (In football terms) Which side will the coin land? Gotta love it.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 30, 2021 16:47:53 GMT
The play off finals. Toss the coin. The best day of your life. (In football terms) The worst day of your life. (In football terms) Which side will the coin land? Gotta love it. Lee Brown f**ks that theory right up š
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 17:34:02 GMT
The play off finals. Toss the coin. The best day of your life. (In football terms) The worst day of your life. (In football terms) Which side will the coin land? Gotta love it. Lee Brown f**ks that theory right up š How?
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 30, 2021 20:50:48 GMT
Yep deserved ,although we beat them at home the luck was with us that day for a change, Blackpool missed loads of chances against us.
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Post by pirate on May 31, 2021 2:05:34 GMT
"why can't we" probably something to do with not having the Ā£100m(?) their owner has spent on building their new ground? Once not long ago financially they were on a par with us, I know nothing about there owners but surely we could follow there example...... Maybe for some reason Wael don't have a spare few million to rebuild the Mem or a new site. Nothing will change sadly Do we have the patience as a club or fanbase? Doesn't seem like it to me, certainly not those in positions of power with their so called 'Rovers DNA'. I was told by a first team employee to "trust the process" but how are we suppose to "trust the process" when those in charge of implementing 'the process' don't even believe or trust in it themselves? The scattergun approach to managerial appointments and recruitment says it all. Buying cheap young players or undervalued talent and selling expensive is the Brentford way. I was told we were trying to copy that on a smaller scale, but the people in charge of the process were incompetent so was always likely to fail. The idea is a good one, but you need the right people in positions of power and influence to make it succeed. Brentford have that with their Owner, Director of Football, CEO and recruitment team, sadly we don't. "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick" says Rasmus Ankersen,Ā Brentfordās co-director of football. āI think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the worldā, said Thomas Frank. Interestingly, Frank lost eight of his first 10 games after becoming manager in October 2018. I wonder how long he would have lasted here?
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Post by gashead1981 on May 31, 2021 6:45:12 GMT
Once not long ago financially they were on a par with us, I know nothing about there owners but surely we could follow there example...... Maybe for some reason Wael don't have a spare few million to rebuild the Mem or a new site. Nothing will change sadly Do we have the patience as a club or fanbase? Doesn't seem like it to me, certainly not those in positions of power with their so called 'Rovers DNA'. I was told by a first team employee to "trust the process" but how are we suppose to "trust the process" when those in charge of implementing 'the process' don't even believe or trust in it themselves? The scattergun approach to managerial appointments and recruitment says it all. Buying cheap young players or undervalued talent and selling expensive is the Brentford way. I was told we were trying to copy that on a smaller scale, but the people in charge of the process were incompetent so was always likely to fail. The idea is a good one, but you need the right people in positions of power and influence to make it succeed. Brentford have that with their Owner, Director of Football, CEO and recruitment team, sadly we don't. "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick" says Rasmus Ankersen,Ā Brentfordās co-director of football. āI think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the worldā, said Thomas Frank. Interestingly, Frank lost eight of his first 10 games after becoming manager in October 2018. I wonder how long he would have lasted here? Some good points made. RE you last point, Wael has always backed his managers with time and resource. DC was given every resource he wanted. Garner was kept despite losing 14 games. Tisdale was given a transfer window to royally mess it up but his incompetence shone through rather quickly and the right decision was made there.
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Post by Jomo on May 31, 2021 6:53:53 GMT
Once not long ago financially they were on a par with us, I know nothing about there owners but surely we could follow there example...... Maybe for some reason Wael don't have a spare few million to rebuild the Mem or a new site. Nothing will change sadly Do we have the patience as a club or fanbase? Doesn't seem like it to me, certainly not those in positions of power with their so called 'Rovers DNA'. I was told by a first team employee to "trust the process" but how are we suppose to "trust the process" when those in charge of implementing 'the process' don't even believe or trust in it themselves? The scattergun approach to managerial appointments and recruitment says it all. Buying cheap young players or undervalued talent and selling expensive is the Brentford way. I was told we were trying to copy that on a smaller scale, but the people in charge of the process were incompetent so was always likely to fail. The idea is a good one, but you need the right people in positions of power and influence to make it succeed. Brentford have that with their Owner, Director of Football, CEO and recruitment team, sadly we don't. "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick" says Rasmus Ankersen,Ā Brentfordās co-director of football. āI think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the worldā, said Thomas Frank. Interestingly, Frank lost eight of his first 10 games after becoming manager in October 2018. I wonder how long he would have lasted here? Top post pirate and that's exactly what I've felt since the Garner debacle. The decision making and revisionist approach of our Board has been a total embarrassment, and simply lays bare their incompetence I'm afraid.
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Post by Gaswood on May 31, 2021 7:28:53 GMT
I canāt see that the board made a bad decision on Garner, it was just one that didnāt work out. The theory behind the appointment was a good one, it just didnāt work out. Tisdale seemed a āsafe set of handsā after trying inexperience but his lack of action and foresight in the transfer window was his own undoing. Then bringing in Barton - a man that I had always strongly disliked- was choosing the strongest candidate available at the time with highest chance of success. Iām optimistic about next season with him in charge despite previously wanting him nowhere near the club. I do not understand in those 3 appointments how people can be so fiercely critical if Iām honest, as they all seemed to make good sense at the time with the reasoning behind them.
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Post by Jomo on May 31, 2021 7:33:23 GMT
I canāt see that the board made a bad decision on Garner, it was just one that didnāt work out. The theory behind the appointment was a good one, it just didnāt work out. Tisdale seemed a āsafe set of handsā after trying inexperience but his lack of action and foresight in the transfer window was his own undoing. Then bringing in Barton - a man that I had always strongly disliked- was choosing the strongest candidate available at the time with highest chance of success. Iām optimistic about next season with him in charge despite previously wanting him nowhere near the club. I do not understand in those 3 appointments how people can be so fiercely critical if Iām honest, as they all seemed to make good sense at the time with the reasoning behind them. Their idea behind the Garner appointment was a decent one, but agreed it didn't work out. The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence. As pirate said, we can't trust their process if they don't trust it themselves.
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Post by Gaswood on May 31, 2021 7:44:38 GMT
I canāt see that the board made a bad decision on Garner, it was just one that didnāt work out. The theory behind the appointment was a good one, it just didnāt work out. Tisdale seemed a āsafe set of handsā after trying inexperience but his lack of action and foresight in the transfer window was his own undoing. Then bringing in Barton - a man that I had always strongly disliked- was choosing the strongest candidate available at the time with highest chance of success. Iām optimistic about next season with him in charge despite previously wanting him nowhere near the club. I do not understand in those 3 appointments how people can be so fiercely critical if Iām honest, as they all seemed to make good sense at the time with the reasoning behind them. Their idea behind the Garner appointment was a decent one, but agreed it didn't work out. The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence. As pirate said, we can't trust their process if they don't trust it themselves. Which I do get, but weāve just sold two youth players and had a teenage goalie called up internationally so the development was / is still working regardless. Right now they probably want to shore up a very expensive period which saw us achieve the opposite to their aims. I think we probably have the right guy in charge right now to move forwards. If theyād blindly brought in another inexperienced coach or manager that wanted to try and develop the youth then there would have been uproar on here about it if there was a losing streak IMHO
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Post by spiess1 on May 31, 2021 8:39:54 GMT
"The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence" OR The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then highlights their clear admission that Garnerism was the wrong time (post-GC attrition) and wrong place (lower reaches of League One).
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Post by warehamgas on May 31, 2021 8:43:22 GMT
Do we have the patience as a club or fanbase? Doesn't seem like it to me, certainly not those in positions of power with their so called 'Rovers DNA'. I was told by a first team employee to "trust the process" but how are we suppose to "trust the process" when those in charge of implementing 'the process' don't even believe or trust in it themselves? The scattergun approach to managerial appointments and recruitment says it all. Buying cheap young players or undervalued talent and selling expensive is the Brentford way. I was told we were trying to copy that on a smaller scale, but the people in charge of the process were incompetent so was always likely to fail. The idea is a good one, but you need the right people in positions of power and influence to make it succeed. Brentford have that with their Owner, Director of Football, CEO and recruitment team, sadly we don't. "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick" says Rasmus Ankersen, Brentfordās co-director of football. āI think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the worldā, said Thomas Frank. Interestingly, Frank lost eight of his first 10 games after becoming manager in October 2018. I wonder how long he would have lasted here? Some good points made. RE you last point, Wael has always backed his managers with time and resource. DC was given every resource he wanted. Garner was kept despite losing 14 games. Tisdale was given a transfer window to royally mess it up but his incompetence shone through rather quickly and the right decision was made there. Come on 1981, Tisdale was given a transfer window? You sure? He certainly was here during it but whether it was his fault that all we signed was a RB remains to be seen and will probably never be known. Youād get more respect for your opinions if your hatred of Tisdale wasnāt so obvious. Before he came you were against his appointment and since heās been gone youāve blamed him for everything. Did he do something to you? From what Iāve seen Iād say he was the one manager to have been treated very badly by our club, the others I agree with you. But in the end his tenure was just typical of a complete mess of a season. UTG!
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Post by pirate on May 31, 2021 9:04:34 GMT
Their idea behind the Garner appointment was a decent one, but agreed it didn't work out. The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence. As pirate said, we can't trust their process if they don't trust it themselves. Which I do get, but weāve just sold two youth players and had a teenage goalie called up internationally so the development was / is still working regardless. Right now they probably want to shore up a very expensive period which saw us achieve the opposite to their aims. I think we probably have the right guy in charge right now to move forwards. If theyād blindly brought in another inexperienced coach or manager that wanted to try and develop the youth then there would have been uproar on here about it if there was a losing streak IMHO A 13 and 15-year-old sold for a fraction of what it costs to run an academy. The same reason Brentford scrapped their own academy setup. As we are on a thread partly discussing Brentford, I find some recent comments from our manager slightly puzzling. "The experiment of taking non-league lads or lads who havenāt got a proven track record has failed disastrously" says Joey. But then goes on to praise Brentford. "Well done @brentfordfc had a plan for a while. Well run club. Unlucky last season. Fantastic response" says Joey on twitter. The average age at which players were signed since the 14/15 season at Brentford is always lower than 23-years-old. āThe key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squadā says Brentford co-director of football Rasmus Ankersen. Let's look at a couple of early Brentford success stories and a current key player and their career trajectory. Scott Hogan Hyde>Rochdale>Brentford Sold to Aston Villa for Ā£12million Andre Gray Hinckley United>Luton>Brentford Sold to Burnley for Ā£11 million One of the current key players, Ethan Pinnock. Dulwich Hamlet>Forest Green>Barnsley>Brentford. PFAĀ and EFL League One Team of the Year 18ā19 and then 42 appearances this season. All former non-league players. Our individual player talent identification might have been wrong, but not necessarily the areas they were recruited from. As Brentford co-director of football said: "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick." If Joey had been manager at the time would we have seen the likes of Barry Hayles (record sale), Jason Roberts (second highest record sale), Nigel Martyn (first British million pound goalkeeper), Nathan Ellington, Gary Penrice, Paul Randall and even the great Geoff Bradford?
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Post by Jomo on May 31, 2021 9:58:30 GMT
"The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence" OR The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then highlights their clear admission that Garnerism was the wrong time (post-GC attrition) and wrong place (lower reaches of League One). Yep quite possibly, but they need to own up to their mistakes and admit that they've flip-flopped. At the moment the last 12-18 months has brought the words "water-up" and "brewery" to mind, and the talk of DNA from last summer and even post-Garner's sacking, seems to have disappeared. Do we no longer have that strategy for sustainability any more?
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Post by Quarters on May 31, 2021 10:14:34 GMT
The plan seems simple this season - promotion. Then who knows.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 31, 2021 10:46:16 GMT
"The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence" OR The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then highlights their clear admission that Garnerism was the wrong time (post-GC attrition) and wrong place (lower reaches of League One). Yep quite possibly, but they need to own up to their mistakes and admit that they've flip-flopped. At the moment the last 12-18 months has brought the words "P?!s-up" and "brewery" to mind, and the talk of DNA from last summer and even post-Garner's sacking, seems to have disappeared. Do we no longer have that strategy for sustainability any more? Why do that have to admit publicly they've made a mistake, what good will that do apart from satisfy a few forum posters?
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Post by playtowin on May 31, 2021 10:50:02 GMT
I canāt see that the board made a bad decision on Garner, it was just one that didnāt work out. The theory behind the appointment was a good one, it just didnāt work out. Tisdale seemed a āsafe set of handsā after trying inexperience but his lack of action and foresight in the transfer window was his own undoing. Then bringing in Barton - a man that I had always strongly disliked- was choosing the strongest candidate available at the time with highest chance of success. Iām optimistic about next season with him in charge despite previously wanting him nowhere near the club. I do not understand in those 3 appointments how people can be so fiercely critical if Iām honest, as they all seemed to make good sense at the time with the reasoning behind them. Their idea behind the Garner appointment was a decent one, but agreed it didn't work out. The fact that they've completely abandoned their philosophy since then is what highlights their incompetence. As pirate said, we can't trust their process if they don't trust it themselves. The basic idea was fine It seems the mistake was lack of patience. Instead of going from a hard working more direct style straight to a squad top heavy in inexperienced young players who like tippy tappy. The club should have used the initial wael DNA of evolution not revolution. Having a manager who could start adding new players into the team over a period of years. Thats why Garner was the wrong man for the job. Maybe 5 years into the evolution he may have been ideal. So the club have to reset and start from a lower level. Joey is in the game to reach the very top ,so he will do what he needs to do for himself to climb the ladder. What the club needs to do is ensure he also partially adheres to the clubs evolution model as well. Brentford being that prime example.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 31, 2021 10:51:36 GMT
Which I do get, but weāve just sold two youth players and had a teenage goalie called up internationally so the development was / is still working regardless. Right now they probably want to shore up a very expensive period which saw us achieve the opposite to their aims. I think we probably have the right guy in charge right now to move forwards. If theyād blindly brought in another inexperienced coach or manager that wanted to try and develop the youth then there would have been uproar on here about it if there was a losing streak IMHO A 13 and 15-year-old sold for a fraction of what it costs to run an academy. The same reason Brentford scrapped their own academy setup. As we are on a thread partly discussing Brentford, I find some recent comments from our manager slightly puzzling. "The experiment of taking non-league lads or lads who havenāt got a proven track record has failed disastrously" says Joey. But then goes on to praise Brentford. "Well done @brentfordfc had a plan for a while. Well run club. Unlucky last season. Fantastic response" says Joey on twitter. The average age at which players were signed since the 14/15 season at Brentford is always lower than 23-years-old. āThe key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squadā says Brentford co-director of football Rasmus Ankersen. Let's look at a couple of early Brentford success stories and a current key player and their career trajectory. Scott Hogan Hyde>Rochdale>Brentford Sold to Aston Villa for Ā£12million Andre Gray Hinckley United>Luton>Brentford Sold to Burnley for Ā£11 million One of the current key players, Ethan Pinnock. Dulwich Hamlet>Forest Green>Barnsley>Brentford. PFAĀ and EFL League One Team of the Year 18ā19 and then 42 appearances this season. All former non-league players. Our individual player talent identification might have been wrong, but not necessarily the areas they were recruited from. As Brentford co-director of football said: "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick." If Joey had been manager at the time would we have seen the likes of Barry Hayles (record sale), Jason Roberts (second highest record sale), Nigel Martyn (first British million pound goalkeeper), Nathan Ellington, Gary Penrice, Paul Randall and even the great Geoff Bradford? They also signed the likes of Toney, Garner's equivalent was Hanlan, who'd managed just 4 goals during the previous season. If Garner had kept Craig, signed an experienced CM and also 1 or 2 proven goalscorers Garnerball may have worked but instead we signed 3 left backs and half a dozen inexperienced CM's. It'll be interesting to see if JB gambles on any inexperienced players or just sticks to experienced pros.
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