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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 31, 2021 10:55:40 GMT
Morecambe not that bad a place for a w/end away, Harrogate is lovely, Torquay possibly, best start saving! Harrogate is a lovely place we stayed there when we played york a few seasons ago, would definitely go back. Pronounced as har ruh gut. Just saying mind š
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Post by Jomo on May 31, 2021 11:11:28 GMT
Yep quite possibly, but they need to own up to their mistakes and admit that they've flip-flopped. At the moment the last 12-18 months has brought the words "P?!s-up" and "brewery" to mind, and the talk of DNA from last summer and even post-Garner's sacking, seems to have disappeared. Do we no longer have that strategy for sustainability any more? Why do that have to admit publicly they've made a mistake, what good will that do apart from satisfy a few forum posters? It's not about satisfying me to see them squirm, it's about showing that they know their mistakes and clarifying what their plan is now. They surely have to show that they know what they're doing?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 31, 2021 12:48:14 GMT
It seems pretty obvious they've accepted Garnerball failed and have now reverted back to having more experienced players.
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Post by Gaswood on May 31, 2021 13:15:35 GMT
Which I do get, but weāve just sold two youth players and had a teenage goalie called up internationally so the development was / is still working regardless. Right now they probably want to shore up a very expensive period which saw us achieve the opposite to their aims. I think we probably have the right guy in charge right now to move forwards. If theyād blindly brought in another inexperienced coach or manager that wanted to try and develop the youth then there would have been uproar on here about it if there was a losing streak IMHO A 13 and 15-year-old sold for a fraction of what it costs to run an academy. The same reason Brentford scrapped their own academy setup. As we are on a thread partly discussing Brentford, I find some recent comments from our manager slightly puzzling. "The experiment of taking non-league lads or lads who havenāt got a proven track record has failed disastrously" says Joey. But then goes on to praise Brentford. "Well done @brentfordfc had a plan for a while. Well run club. Unlucky last season. Fantastic response" says Joey on twitter. The average age at which players were signed since the 14/15 season at Brentford is always lower than 23-years-old. āThe key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squadā says Brentford co-director of football Rasmus Ankersen. Let's look at a couple of early Brentford success stories and a current key player and their career trajectory. Scott Hogan Hyde>Rochdale>Brentford Sold to Aston Villa for Ā£12million Andre Gray Hinckley United>Luton>Brentford Sold to Burnley for Ā£11 million One of the current key players, Ethan Pinnock. Dulwich Hamlet>Forest Green>Barnsley>Brentford. PFAĀ and EFL League One Team of the Year 18ā19 and then 42 appearances this season. All former non-league players. Our individual player talent identification might have been wrong, but not necessarily the areas they were recruited from. As Brentford co-director of football said: "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick." If Joey had been manager at the time would we have seen the likes of Barry Hayles (record sale), Jason Roberts (second highest record sale), Nigel Martyn (first British million pound goalkeeper), Nathan Ellington, Gary Penrice, Paul Randall and even the great Geoff Bradford? We need to be realistic about how that model can be compared though... Ethan Pinnock cost Brentford Ā£3m+ and before that he cost Barnsley over Ā£500k, which is way more than our record signing. Scott Hogan cost them Ā£750k+ and whilst Villa paid a large undisclosed fee for him, he subsequently has bounced around Stoke, Birmingham etc. Villa were chucking cash around and also bought Kodjia from the Sh*t for Ā£15m+ and spent another Ā£12m on Ross McCormack Andre Gray cost Brentford Ā£1.6m, with another Ā£700k when Burnley went up. The initial Ā£500k they paid up front is still way above our record. If we start to pay the fees we might see the return, but itās much like Peterborough where itās a speculate to accumulate angle on these top lower players, with a risk attached like with Mo Eisa at Ā£1m+ and not really making the impact. If it was easy to do then all clubs would be doing it, but it isnāt quite as easy as it sounds in my opinion. I would love to see us spend to bring in the top talents, but thatās not really what we did when Garner looked to bring in promising players, else weād be waxing lyrical about the huge fees we received for Josh Barrett, Josh Grant, Ali Koiki, and Brandon Hanlan who all moved to Premiership sides, allowing us to sign McCormick for Ā£1.3m on a 6 year contract.
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Post by pirate on May 31, 2021 16:12:26 GMT
A 13 and 15-year-old sold for a fraction of what it costs to run an academy. The same reason Brentford scrapped their own academy setup. As we are on a thread partly discussing Brentford, I find some recent comments from our manager slightly puzzling. "The experiment of taking non-league lads or lads who havenāt got a proven track record has failed disastrously" says Joey. But then goes on to praise Brentford. "Well done @brentfordfc had a plan for a while. Well run club. Unlucky last season. Fantastic response" says Joey on twitter. The average age at which players were signed since the 14/15 season at Brentford is always lower than 23-years-old. āThe key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squadā says Brentford co-director of football Rasmus Ankersen. Let's look at a couple of early Brentford success stories and a current key player and their career trajectory. Scott Hogan Hyde>Rochdale>Brentford Sold to Aston Villa for Ā£12million Andre Gray Hinckley United>Luton>Brentford Sold to Burnley for Ā£11 million One of the current key players, Ethan Pinnock. Dulwich Hamlet>Forest Green>Barnsley>Brentford. PFAĀ and EFL League One Team of the Year 18ā19 and then 42 appearances this season. All former non-league players. Our individual player talent identification might have been wrong, but not necessarily the areas they were recruited from. As Brentford co-director of football said: "Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick." If Joey had been manager at the time would we have seen the likes of Barry Hayles (record sale), Jason Roberts (second highest record sale), Nigel Martyn (first British million pound goalkeeper), Nathan Ellington, Gary Penrice, Paul Randall and even the great Geoff Bradford? We need to be realistic about how that model can be compared though... Ethan Pinnock cost Brentford Ā£3m+ and before that he cost Barnsley over Ā£500k, which is way more than our record signing. Scott Hogan cost them Ā£750k+ and whilst Villa paid a large undisclosed fee for him, he subsequently has bounced around Stoke, Birmingham etc. Villa were chucking cash around and also bought Kodjia from the Sh*t for Ā£15m+ and spent another Ā£12m on Ross McCormack Andre Gray cost Brentford Ā£1.6m, with another Ā£700k when Burnley went up. The initial Ā£500k they paid up front is still way above our record. If we start to pay the fees we might see the return, but itās much like Peterborough where itās a speculate to accumulate angle on these top lower players, with a risk attached like with Mo Eisa at Ā£1m+ and not really making the impact. If it was easy to do then all clubs would be doing it, but it isnāt quite as easy as it sounds in my opinion. I would love to see us spend to bring in the top talents, but thatās not really what we did when Garner looked to bring in promising players, else weād be waxing lyrical about the huge fees we received for Josh Barrett, Josh Grant, Ali Koiki, and Brandon Hanlan who all moved to Premiership sides, allowing us to sign McCormick for Ā£1.3m on a 6 year contract. I highlighted the career paths to illustrate the humble beginnings of those players. It's Hogan at Hyde, Gray at Hinckley and Pinnock at Dulwich Hamlet type of signings and market we need to be on the ball with and operating in. Those type of signings that in the past have resulted in some of our most exciting players and lucrative sell ons.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on May 31, 2021 16:21:38 GMT
1-0 Morecambe in extra time. Hopefully stays that way and another local game next season.
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Post by Russgas on May 31, 2021 16:23:37 GMT
1-0 Morecambe in extra time. Hopefully stays that way and another local game next season. Yes agree but a shocker of a pen decision. Morecombe been awful as well.
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Post by Marshy on May 31, 2021 16:26:30 GMT
1-0 Morecambe in extra time. Hopefully stays that way and another local game next season. It certainly works for me, I live 5 miles from Rodney Parade. š
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Post by gashead1981 on May 31, 2021 16:28:59 GMT
1-0 Morecambe in extra time. Hopefully stays that way and another local game next season. It certainly works for me, I live 5 miles from Rodney Parade. š Sorry about that Marshy old boy.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 31, 2021 16:33:22 GMT
Sounds like things going against Newport, 2 very dodgy Pen decisions, and Newport on the wrong end of both! so looks like the muddy fields of Newport as against muddy Morecambe bay! Quite a story, lowest budget in football league yet achieve promotion, fantastic effort! well done them!
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Post by Marshy on May 31, 2021 16:39:00 GMT
It certainly works for me, I live 5 miles from Rodney Parade. š Sorry about that Marshy old boy. Now now old boy no need for that. š.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 1, 2021 7:03:11 GMT
That's that then, believe all the highest placed teams won promotion? just National league left ,what a scramble that is! Torquay with double figure lead once but not in good form, hope they make it but ok with Hartlepool to, just for Jeff Stelling's sake!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 1, 2021 12:04:39 GMT
Yes I hope Hartlepool do it as well. One of the people I sit with at cricket is a big āpools fan. So for his sake I hope itās them. But it would be good to have Torquay back in the league imo. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 1, 2021 12:15:44 GMT
Michael Flynn wanting VAR after the final. I saw the Morecambe penalty and thought it was one that could be given though not absolutely certain but I havenāt seen the Newport one which wasnāt so canāt comment on that. I think heād regret having VAR overall, I suspect that over a season, like refs, they even out but in these one-off matches if it goes against you you donāt like it bu5 if it goes for you, you just keep quiet. I would hate to have it in Leagues 1 and 2, youād never celebrate a goal in the same way ever again. It also doesnāt sound as if heās very happy with whatās happening at Newport. Perhaps heās just in a place now to say something. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57308982
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 1, 2021 12:27:55 GMT
Would have been happy if Flynn had replaced DC or GC , IMHO he would have kept us in league 1 at the very least, think his 'combustible nature' scared our board which is why we played safe with JB!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 1, 2021 15:53:37 GMT
Would have been happy if Flynn had replaced DC or GC , IMHO he would have kept us in league 1 at the very least, think his 'combustible nature' scared our board which is why we played safe with JB! Great halifax! You really do need a laugh button for āwe played safe with JB!ā UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 1, 2021 17:11:05 GMT
Michael Flynn wanting VAR after the final. I saw the Morecambe penalty and thought it was one that could be given though not absolutely certain but I havenāt seen the Newport one which wasnāt so canāt comment on that. I think heād regret having VAR overall, I suspect that over a season, like refs, they even out but in these one-off matches if it goes against you you donāt like it bu5 if it goes for you, you just keep quiet. I would hate to have it in Leagues 1 and 2, youād never celebrate a goal in the same way ever again. It also doesnāt sound as if heās very happy with whatās happening at Newport. Perhaps heās just in a place now to say something. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57308982The Newport pen was virtually identical to Jaakola's at Blackpool when he took out one of their players to concede a pen. Given the technology is in place you do have to wonder why they don't have it for the Play Off finals, you'd be gutted today if you were a Newport fan, after they totally dominated the game then lost out to two poor refereeing decisions.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 1, 2021 17:22:36 GMT
Thanks Topper, Iāll take your word for it that it was a bad decision. It always seems wrong when your whole season is changed by a bad refereeing decision or even decisions in this case. But having watched nearly a whole season in 19/20 before it was stopped with VAR it took a long time and you get the right decisions the end on offsides. But on penalties you just get another opinion, it might go in your favour, it might not. If you have it for the final then you need it for the season as well imo. UTG!
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