Marshy
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Post by Marshy on Jul 28, 2021 6:31:21 GMT
I haven’t commented on this thread up until now because I think it’s an absolute shitfest! People tearing lumps out of each other and falling out over let’s face it something that none of actually have any idea of what went on? And all this without the aid of GGMI 😁. The club have made their decision (rightly or wrongly) and there ain’t nothing we can do about it, unless we all invade the pitch against Stevenage and wave our massive willys around! It a crying shame it’s come to this but I think it’s time we all moved on and hopefully support some decent football from the gas 🙏. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 6:31:34 GMT
What makes you so convinced the club knew about it weeks ago? I’m fairly sure Barton wouldn’t have said anything until the point he was informed the CPS were proceeding Probably late last week) in the hope that it would be dropped. Do you think the police would have informed BRFC at the point he was first arrested or something? Not unless he’s in what is known as a “Notifiable Occupation”, such as Teacher, NHS, Armed Forces, Police, etc. Then there is a legal obligation to notify the employer. Didn’t know that but it makes sense.
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Post by LJG on Jul 28, 2021 7:14:07 GMT
It's not difficult to get unconditional bail. In fact that is the starting point. That’s not true - the majority of custody sgts in DV cases will always look at imposing conditions if there’s even a hint of the person reoffending whilst on bail; they would have to have a seriously persuasive solicitor to get unconditional bail in those circumstances. s.4 Bail Act - the starting point is a right to unconditional bail. A custody sergeant won't have anything to do with the decision in relation to bail from court - that is dealt with by the magistrate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 8:19:06 GMT
I haven’t commented on this thread up until now because I think it’s an absolute shitfest! People tearing lumps out of each other and falling out over let’s face it something that none of actually have any idea of what went on? And all this without the aid of GGMI 😁. The club have made their decision (rightly or wrongly) and there ain’t nothing we can do about it, unless we all invade the pitch against Stevenage and wave our massive willys around! It a crying shame it’s come to this but I think it’s time we all moved on and hopefully support some decent football from the gas 🙏. UTG! If the Stevenage demo is a goer, please give me advance warning, I'd need to get one of those plastic ones from Ann Summers. If they've got a BOGOF, that's me and Purdown Poacher sorted.
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 28, 2021 8:23:24 GMT
Massive Willy. What? - Our new striker from the Bundesliga?
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Post by Marshy on Jul 28, 2021 9:07:08 GMT
Massive Willy. What? - Our new striker from the Bundesliga? Cue rumours of the snake coming back!
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Post by Marshy on Jul 28, 2021 9:08:22 GMT
I haven’t commented on this thread up until now because I think it’s an absolute shitfest! People tearing lumps out of each other and falling out over let’s face it something that none of actually have any idea of what went on? And all this without the aid of GGMI 😁. The club have made their decision (rightly or wrongly) and there ain’t nothing we can do about it, unless we all invade the pitch against Stevenage and wave our massive willys around! It a crying shame it’s come to this but I think it’s time we all moved on and hopefully support some decent football from the gas 🙏. UTG! If the Stevenage demo is a goer, please give me advance warning, I'd need to get one of those plastic ones from Ann Summers. If they've got a BOGOF, that's me and Purdown Poacher sorted. Ooh matron!
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jul 28, 2021 11:30:22 GMT
Police were called to The Prime Ministers House during the last election due to an alleged 'Domestic'.Did Boris and his lady get cautioned or was it no further action?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 12:22:23 GMT
Police were called to The Prime Ministers House during the last election due to an alleged 'Domestic'.Did Boris and his lady get cautioned or was it no further action? Apparently a neighbour called them because Mrs J was screaming. 9 months later we know why.
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Post by Big Jock on Jul 28, 2021 12:30:37 GMT
Police were called to The Prime Ministers House during the last election due to an alleged 'Domestic'.Did Boris and his lady get cautioned or was it no further action? Apparently a neighbour called them because Mrs J was screaming. 9 months later we know why. Aye, because th wean looks like Jacob Rees-Mogg!
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Post by baggins on Jul 28, 2021 12:38:11 GMT
I haven’t commented on this thread up until now because I think it’s an absolute shitfest! People tearing lumps out of each other and falling out over let’s face it something that none of actually have any idea of what went on? And all this without the aid of GGMI 😁. The club have made their decision (rightly or wrongly) and there ain’t nothing we can do about it, unless we all invade the pitch against Stevenage and wave our massive willys around! It a crying shame it’s come to this but I think it’s time we all moved on and hopefully support some decent football from the gas 🙏. UTG! Decent football? You've seen our pre Season results yes?
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 28, 2021 12:46:00 GMT
That’s not true - the majority of custody sgts in DV cases will always look at imposing conditions if there’s even a hint of the person reoffending whilst on bail; they would have to have a seriously persuasive solicitor to get unconditional bail in those circumstances. s.4 Bail Act - the starting point is a right to unconditional bail. A custody sergeant won't have anything to do with the decision in relation to bail from court - that is dealt with by the magistrate. I wasn’t talking about bail from court; in the first instance, after his arrest and the initial investigation he would’ve either been NFA’d (No Further Action), RUI’d (Released Under Investigation - released pending the discovery of more evidence) or charged and bailed to court from police custody. If it was felt that there was any risk at all of him immediately reoffending or posing a threat to the alleged victim, he would’ve been remanded overnight to appear at court the next day. The custody sgt would be the one making the decision at that point after taking any representations from both the detainee’s solicitor and the CPS. What happens after the appearance at court is down to the magistrates or judge.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 28, 2021 12:48:08 GMT
Police were called to The Prime Ministers House during the last election due to an alleged 'Domestic'.Did Boris and his lady get cautioned or was it no further action? Very good point ! 💙
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Post by baggins on Jul 28, 2021 12:49:59 GMT
Police were called to The Prime Ministers House during the last election due to an alleged 'Domestic'.Did Boris and his lady get cautioned or was it no further action? Apparently a neighbour called them because Mrs J was screaming. 9 months later we know why. It split?
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Post by LJG on Jul 28, 2021 13:18:09 GMT
s.4 Bail Act - the starting point is a right to unconditional bail. A custody sergeant won't have anything to do with the decision in relation to bail from court - that is dealt with by the magistrate. I wasn’t talking about bail from court; in the first instance, after his arrest and the initial investigation he would’ve either been NFA’d (No Further Action), RUI’d (Released Under Investigation - released pending the discovery of more evidence) or charged and bailed to court from police custody. If it was felt that there was any risk at all of him immediately reoffending or posing a threat to the alleged victim, he would’ve been remanded overnight to appear at court the next day. The custody sgt would be the one making the decision at that point after taking any representations from both the detainee’s solicitor and the CPS. What happens after the appearance at court is down to the magistrates or judge. Yes. But the unconditional bail he is now under is not police bail, it's bail from court - which is why I said the starting point is unconditional bail per the Bail Act. Which you said was untrue because a custody sergeant would have wanted conditions imposed. But a custody sergeant has no jurisdiction in relation to court bail. But I think we're talking at cross purposes.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 28, 2021 13:27:52 GMT
Apparently a neighbour called them because Mrs J was screaming. 9 months later we know why. Aye, because th wean looks like Jacob Rees-Mogg! Nooooooo!!! 🤮
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Post by aghast on Jul 28, 2021 13:52:41 GMT
can we just f**king stop talking about joey barton and his so say crimes lock all threads ffs and worry about it if he is found guilty of a crime this is getting f**king ridiculous now Thing is it isn't going away. Innocent or not, if he takes to the dugout for us, he is going to get pelters more than ever from opposition fans and even some of our own if things start badly That's never going to end well. The red mist will descend and chaos will follow.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 28, 2021 15:28:02 GMT
I wasn’t talking about bail from court; in the first instance, after his arrest and the initial investigation he would’ve either been NFA’d (No Further Action), RUI’d (Released Under Investigation - released pending the discovery of more evidence) or charged and bailed to court from police custody. If it was felt that there was any risk at all of him immediately reoffending or posing a threat to the alleged victim, he would’ve been remanded overnight to appear at court the next day. The custody sgt would be the one making the decision at that point after taking any representations from both the detainee’s solicitor and the CPS. What happens after the appearance at court is down to the magistrates or judge. Yes. But the unconditional bail he is now under is not police bail, it's bail from court - which is why I said the starting point is unconditional bail per the Bail Act. Which you said was untrue because a custody sergeant would have wanted conditions imposed. But a custody sergeant has no jurisdiction in relation to court bail. But I think we're talking at cross purposes. Yep, I think you’re right. The point I was trying to make was that immediately after the alleged offence Barton was bailed unconditionally to court, which would normally indicate no perceived threat of him reoffending. There’s so much guff being spouted by some of the posters on the forum (present company excepted) that I just wanted to clarify some aspects for people not fluent in legalese . . .
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Post by bluestone on Jul 28, 2021 15:59:53 GMT
Thing is it isn't going away. Innocent or not, if he takes to the dugout for us, he is going to get pelters more than ever from opposition fans and even some of our own if things start badly That's never going to end well. The red mist will descend and chaos will follow. The red mist will descend and the red cards will follow!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 28, 2021 16:18:53 GMT
It's not enough as the statement is plainly wrong, what other club would publish it when even the likes of the Times and Refuge are critising it. Wael should have just accepted the statement was an error of judgement and removed it, it's hardly needs to be on our website anyway, as it's not going to alter the outcome of the trial. Have you asked the club to consider taking it down then? Yes, along with others, assuming it's still on the website then it's a mystery why the club are content to standby such a misleading statement.
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