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Post by singupgas on Aug 12, 2021 22:40:50 GMT
Every time we have been relegated to this division, the new manager has had a clear out of the team bought in 13/14 new players and we have struggled. Doesn't the club ever learn that clear outs don't work at BRFC never have done and probably never will. Both Garner and Barton have done it in the past year and we are struggling. Do the people who run this club not have anything between their ears. I was hoping Barton would be suspended so we would get someone else in charge but owner/ directors could not get that right. Anyway let's hope for a win on Saturday , but not for Daly and Stevenage. Sorry but we went down with no fight, we absolutely did need a clear out. I didn't want too see most of them represent Rovers again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 22:44:27 GMT
I wonder if the keyboard warriors will be around if we're in the promotion mix at Christmas?🤔
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 12, 2021 23:44:54 GMT
If we are anywhere near the top at Christmas then most of the ones on here moaning constantly about JB will either disappear without a trace or would have found something else to moan about but probably a few will still be droning on . It really is an embarrassment how the same people use every thread to criticise JB. Personally I fully expect us to show a great improvement in the coming weeks but can't see it starting before either our strikers return or we sign a new striker.
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Post by greeners123 on Aug 13, 2021 4:30:47 GMT
Well said Steveđź‘Źđź‘Źđź‘Źđź‘Ź
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 6:15:54 GMT
Yes and we were a team devoid of confidence, missing a number of players (key players I’d argue) and were not fit ….. I watched every game last season and near enough in every match we seemed to fade badly towards the end of matches….. Yes, and its the manager's job to create that confidence. JB showed that he had no clue how to do that. Public criticism of players is hardly going to get their confidence levels up. Yes it’s the managers job to motivate players but remember this was a squad on its 3rd manager, who had been asked to play in 3 different styles, missing it’s better players and had been getting beat pretty much every week despite what they tried…. He only publicly criticised Ehmer if I remember rightly and if you have a player who is not listening in training, ignoring instructions and isn’t responding to behind closed doors conversations, the final option is to to try reverse psychology, publically call the player out in public to spark that player into wanting to prove the manager wrong by putting in stellar performances… it’s worked on players in the past, it’ll work in the future, but doesn’t work every time…. I don’t think anyone thought any different to what the manager said?
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Post by Jomo on Aug 13, 2021 6:27:10 GMT
I wonder if the keyboard warriors will be around if we're in the promotion mix at Christmas?🤔 I will, and I will happily admit my concerns were too hasty. None of this is about disliking JB for me, and none of it is about point scoring or anything like that. I want to support a club that performs with passion and fight and is capable of getting a reasonably high finish in this league this season. If JB can achieve that, I'll be pleased. Feel free to bump me if I'm not true to my word.
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Post by yetigas on Aug 13, 2021 6:31:49 GMT
I wonder if the keyboard warriors will be around if we're in the promotion mix at Christmas?🤔 That should be the minimum expectation. Anything less is unacceptable.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 13, 2021 6:32:21 GMT
I've just taken a look at their results throughout the 2020-2021 season, it makes interesting reading. This is the win, draw, loss record broken down for each month (for all fixtures): Sept 5L; Oct 2W, 3D, 3L, Nov 5W, 1D, 1L; Dec 1W, 1D, 3L Jan 1W, 2D, 2L Feb 5W, 1D Mar 5W, 1D Apr 4W, 1D, 2L May 1W, 1L So their season took off from Feb onwards losing only 2 games out of 21; as was mentioned above they most of made some great signings in January! Thanks for that very interesting. Crazy how they could be so low come feb and get promoted. There’s hope for us yet 🙏 So it took the new players a month to bed in at Bolton. Our new players have had a preseason yet it will take until Xmas for them to start firing?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 6:38:12 GMT
I wonder if the keyboard warriors will be around if we're in the promotion mix at Christmas?🤔 That should be the minimum expectation. Anything less is unacceptable. Bang on, we shouldn’t even be here.
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Post by yetigas on Aug 13, 2021 6:41:06 GMT
Yes, and its the manager's job to create that confidence. JB showed that he had no clue how to do that. Public criticism of players is hardly going to get their confidence levels up. Yes it’s the managers job to motivate players but remember this was a squad on its 3rd manager, who had been asked to play in 3 different styles, missing it’s better players and had been getting beat pretty much every week despite what they tried…. He only publicly criticised Ehmer if I remember rightly and if you have a player who is not listening in training, ignoring instructions and isn’t responding to behind closed doors conversations, the final option is to to try reverse psychology, publically call the player out in public to spark that player into wanting to prove the manager wrong by putting in stellar performances… it’s worked on players in the past, it’ll work in the future, but doesn’t work every time…. I don’t think anyone thought any different to what the manager said? Thinking the same is not the point. Managers are not supporters, they are managers. Managers are there to manage and to motivate. They have to choose their words carefully, especially the ones that will be reported publicly. If he thought that publicly calling players out would motivate them, then I would humbly suggest he needs to take a basic psychology course!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 13, 2021 6:46:52 GMT
That should be the minimum expectation. Anything less is unacceptable. Bang on, we shouldn’t even be here. There are very few clubs that are in the wrong position in the football pyramid. Based on last season we are lucky we can only be relegated one division at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 7:00:46 GMT
Yes it’s the managers job to motivate players but remember this was a squad on its 3rd manager, who had been asked to play in 3 different styles, missing it’s better players and had been getting beat pretty much every week despite what they tried…. He only publicly criticised Ehmer if I remember rightly and if you have a player who is not listening in training, ignoring instructions and isn’t responding to behind closed doors conversations, the final option is to to try reverse psychology, publically call the player out in public to spark that player into wanting to prove the manager wrong by putting in stellar performances… it’s worked on players in the past, it’ll work in the future, but doesn’t work every time…. I don’t think anyone thought any different to what the manager said? Thinking the same is not the point. Managers are not supporters, they are managers. Managers are there to manage and to motivate. They have to choose their words carefully, especially the ones that will be reported publicly. If he thought that publicly calling players out would motivate them, then I would humbly suggest he needs to take a basic psychology course! Having taken psychology all he did was called reverse psychology and that’s in psychology 101…
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 7:05:05 GMT
Bang on, we shouldn’t even be here. There are very few clubs that are in the wrong position in the football pyramid. Based on last season we are lucky we can only be relegated one division at a time. My opinion is we shouldn’t have been relegated, I felt we had enough with the correct management.
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Post by yetigas on Aug 13, 2021 7:14:43 GMT
Thinking the same is not the point. Managers are not supporters, they are managers. Managers are there to manage and to motivate. They have to choose their words carefully, especially the ones that will be reported publicly. If he thought that publicly calling players out would motivate them, then I would humbly suggest he needs to take a basic psychology course! Having taken psychology all he did was called reverse psychology and that’s in psychology 101… whatever you want to call it, it failed!
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Post by peterparker on Aug 13, 2021 7:29:17 GMT
Yes, and its the manager's job to create that confidence. JB showed that he had no clue how to do that. Public criticism of players is hardly going to get their confidence levels up. Yes it’s the managers job to motivate players but remember this was a squad on its 3rd manager, who had been asked to play in 3 different styles, missing it’s better players and had been getting beat pretty much every week despite what they tried…. He only publicly criticised Ehmer if I remember rightly and if you have a player who is not listening in training, ignoring instructions and isn’t responding to behind closed doors conversations, the final option is to to try reverse psychology, publically call the player out in public to spark that player into wanting to prove the manager wrong by putting in stellar performances… it’s worked on players in the past, it’ll work in the future, but doesn’t work every time…. I don’t think anyone thought any different to what the manager said? Thing is, there was obviously some history with Ehmer and Barton Perhaps they were never going to work well together. That's fine. Not sure what benefit publicly criticising him did. I am sure the players knew what the deal was. Calling Ehmer out, was simply playing to the crowd
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Post by Quarters on Aug 13, 2021 7:31:35 GMT
Funny how any criticism of Barton makes you a hater of Barton. Remind me what was said this time last season regarding Garner?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 13, 2021 8:01:03 GMT
Enjoyed the chat, it reaffirmed how lucky we are to have a man like Wael at the helm who is a fan and a football man through and through just like JB. Their passion for the game and to get Rovers to a better place comes across strongly and i wish them a long and successful partnership. JB shoots from the hip and speaks from the heart and like Wael will make mistakes, i believe both will learn from those mistakes and bring success to the club. I do not analyse every thing JB says and look for contradictions and anomalies as some do ,and are entitled to do , i find it boring and too many threads turns into an excuse to find fault with him and are a reason to sigh and turn off! I enjoy listening to JB and he gives me confidence, i understand him more after reading his book, and i hope he can overcome his well documented character flaws and win over his detractors. I think JB realises he has a tough job on his hands and that we are unlikely to storm the league, more likely we will huff and puff our way to mid table around Christmas and then with every one fit and a couple of signings we storm through to promotion one way or another! No doubt there will be melt downs and euphoria on here in equal measure on the way before we come out the other side, good luck Wael and JB , UP THE ROVERS!
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Post by wertongas on Aug 13, 2021 8:08:10 GMT
Every time we have been relegated to this division, the new manager has had a clear out of the team bought in 13/14 new players and we have struggled. Doesn't the club ever learn that clear outs don't work at BRFC never have done and probably never will. Both Garner and Barton have done it in the past year and we are struggling. Do the people who run this club not have anything between their ears. I was hoping Barton would be suspended so we would get someone else in charge but owner/ directors could not get that right. Anyway let's hope for a win on Saturday , but not for Daly and Stevenage. Sorry but we went down with no fight, we absolutely did need a clear out. I didn't want too see most of them represent Rovers again. i don't disagree with you but there were players such as Josh Hare probably the best crosser of a ball in the squad who did well under GC but was never given a chance by Garner or Barton and we made the mistake of getting rid of him. Barton should have given Players that performed well under GC a chance , the mistake was made keeping Garner on last summer then letting him rip the sole out of the team . Players Barton inherited may not have suited Barton but he did say he would keep us up. To many mistakes made by the board especially in managerial appointments.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 8:14:15 GMT
Having taken psychology all he did was called reverse psychology and that’s in psychology 101… whatever you want to call it, it failed! I agree it failed but so did everything else that was tried…. JB tried everything possible to get the best out of him but for whatever reason it didn’t work and I just don’t think all of that can be placed at JBs door - especially when neither of the previous 2 managers could make it work either… the player(s) have to take responsibility too if not more so
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Post by oldie on Aug 13, 2021 8:15:00 GMT
Enjoyed the chat, it reaffirmed how lucky we are to have a man like Wael at the helm who is a fan and a football man through and through just like JB. Their passion for the game and to get Rovers to a better place comes across strongly and i wish them a long and successful partnership. JB shoots from the hip and speaks from the heart and like Wael will make mistakes, i believe both will learn from those mistakes and bring success to the club. I do not analyse every thing JB says and look for contradictions and anomalies as some do ,and are entitled to do , i find it boring and too many threads turns into an excuse to find fault with him and are a reason to sigh and turn off! I enjoy listening to JB and he gives me confidence, i understand him more after reading his book, and i hope he can overcome his well documented character flaws and win over his detractors. I think JB realises he has a tough job on his hands and that we are unlikely to storm the league, more likely we will huff and puff our way to mid table around Christmas and then with every one fit and a couple of signings we storm through to promotion one way or another! No doubt there will be melt downs and euphoria on here in equal measure on the way before we come out the other side, good luck Wael and JB , UP THE ROVERS! I will enjoy Barton when he turns a win % from 15% to 45%.
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