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Post by LJG on Aug 13, 2021 16:21:15 GMT
kingswoodpirate70, Totally out of order. Try saying it to his face if you feel that strongly about it. Have you told Ollie Clarke and Alfie Kilgour all the stuff you say on here about them to their face? Also - does what you're saying definitely make sense? It's out of order to call someone a bully who uses violence and if you do you should "say it to their face" i.e. the strong implication is that that person will bully you and be violent towards you if you do ... think you've got yourself a bit muddled there.
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Post by socrates on Aug 13, 2021 16:38:11 GMT
kingswoodpirate70, Totally out of order. Try saying it to his face if you feel that strongly about it. Have you told Ollie Clarke and Alfie Kilgour all the stuff you say on here about them to their face? Also - does what you're saying definitely make sense? It's out of order to call someone a bully who uses violence and if you do you should "say it to their face" i.e. the strong implication is that that person will bully you and be violent towards you if you do ... think you've got yourself a bit muddled there. Kilgour was bloody fantastic alongside Tony Craig so I’ve absolutely no doubt we have a player there who can be fantastic again alongside a similar player and I think we might have that in Hughes. What he needs is a run in the side alongside Hughes and we will I reckon have a good partnership. My worry is that if Pitman and Hanlan are out for a while who scores the goals in that time ? Hanlan when fit averaged about a goal every other game for us pre Christmas but obviously playing through injury from Christmas last year and now injured and again unable to even play doesn’t bode well in the short term. Pitman is getting on and currently injured. Looking forward to my first live match tomorrow in what 18 months I really hope we play on the front foot with temp and movement regardless of who fit to play because we should have a strong enough squad in this division to compete with a few injuries. It’s been one excuse after another from Barton he needs to be able to motivate his Squad and he needs to cut out the excuses. I don’t want to hear any more from him about injuries , bad refs etc he needs to take responsibility for the clubs results, and I’d imagine Wael feels the same.
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Post by kingswoodpirate70 on Aug 13, 2021 22:00:03 GMT
Its got nothing to do with these two court cases. He was a flat out bully before anyrod. Please try and understand
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 13, 2021 22:47:05 GMT
Its got nothing to do with these two court cases. He was a flat out bully before anyrod. Please try and understand Will this Rod do?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 13, 2021 23:00:40 GMT
Its got nothing to do with these two court cases. He was a flat out bully before anyrod. Please try and understand Please try and understand he's now Rovers manager and as fans we can do nothing about his criminal record. If that offends you just then find a new club to support until he's gone.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 13, 2021 23:05:45 GMT
Have you told Ollie Clarke and Alfie Kilgour all the stuff you say on here about them to their face? Also - does what you're saying definitely make sense? It's out of order to call someone a bully who uses violence and if you do you should "say it to their face" i.e. the strong implication is that that person will bully you and be violent towards you if you do ... think you've got yourself a bit muddled there. Kilgour was bloody fantastic alongside Tony Craig so I’ve absolutely no doubt we have a player there who can be fantastic again alongside a similar player and I think we might have that in Hughes. What he needs is a run in the side alongside Hughes and we will I reckon have a good partnership. My worry is that if Pitman and Hanlan are out for a while who scores the goals in that time ? Hanlan when fit averaged about a goal every other game for us pre Christmas but obviously playing through injury from Christmas last year and now injured and again unable to even play doesn’t bode well in the short term. Pitman is getting on and currently injured. Looking forward to my first live match tomorrow in what 18 months I really hope we play on the front foot with temp and movement regardless of who fit to play because we should have a strong enough squad in this division to compete with a few injuries. It’s been one excuse after another from Barton he needs to be able to motivate his Squad and he needs to cut out the excuses. I don’t want to hear any more from him about injuries , bad refs etc he needs to take responsibility for the clubs results, and I’d imagine Wael feels the same. When did any Rovers manager take responsibility for their failings? To be fair to JB he has had a shocking run with injuries, Jaakola, Nicholson, Hanlan, Pitman etc, even Clarke managed to strain his groin on his debut.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 13, 2021 23:33:18 GMT
Topper Gas, The loss of Nicholson was the final nail in the coffin for us last season.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 13, 2021 23:56:38 GMT
Topper Gas, The loss of Nicholson was the final nail in the coffin for us last season. Totally agree, Nicholson was a massive loss. Yes, Joey does contradict himself; but for me, having a clear out of the players was the right call. I feel he has brought in the right type of players for division 2 over the summer. Current need a couple more attacking options. Until the Mansfield game last week, I had it my mind BRFC would win promotion as champions, now 7 days on, reality of watching the Gas for decades has kicked in, and I would be happy with a slow start while Joey gets his first eleven out on the pitch, them make a push after Christmas and see where it takes us, hopefully up into at least a play off slot. Utg
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Post by gasify on Aug 14, 2021 7:13:33 GMT
I'm guessing it's because they have heard negative comments. Are you happy to give him to Christmas as he is now saying that the team won't be firing until then? To even things up, shouldn't there be pro JB posting all the positive stuff? 'Brilliant, we are gonna be sh**e until Christmas then we will be firing'. So what were you expecting we'll be beating every team 3-0 from the start of the season? It's pretty obvious to most fans it's going to take time for an entirely new group of player to gell. Of course not. However, I would like to see us creating chances. 4 shots on target in 180 mins isn't what I was expecting. I would like to see 5 to 8 each game. So we are between 25% and 40% down on my expectations. Let's hope today we start with the three injured players back.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 14, 2021 8:12:28 GMT
Funny how any criticism of Barton makes you a hater of Barton. Remind me what was said this time last season regarding Garner? Fwiw I personally thought we were premature in getting rid of Garner.... I thought we weren't premature enough! If we'd have shook hands nicely in season curtailment, been all nice about it and put it down to a good try but an experiment that just wasn't right for us, all parties could have walked away with dignity.....and we had replacement options of the calibre of Nigel Clough amongst others. What transpired was to sack him after the transfer window closed with no credible option at that time apart from PT. From December 2019, the decisions taken to appoint managers have left us broken. 5 years of hard work has been blown away in 18 months and it's going to get worse before better. It's nice to hear encouraging words from manager on HAG, but at some point in near future it will have to be actions that speak louder.
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Post by gasify on Aug 14, 2021 8:26:44 GMT
I can’t believe how worked up people are getting were not in April with the season about to finish we are one league match in and lost to the one of the teams that gonna be up there with 60% of a squad and with only 1 fit striker and would have got a solid point if it Wasn’t for a stupid refereeing decision and a player sent off and the cup lost to Cheltenham is the same with only 60% of the squad available losing to last seasons champions who gonna be comfortable staying up this season,I’m not gonna judge Barton or the players until we get the likes of Finley,Nicholson,Collins,pitman back with a full strength squad and will most likely another striker added and see how it goes because I remember everyone saying giving Ben Garner time but it’s different because his name Joey Barton and everyone got a Agenda against him. Of course you are correct. Let's give him 10 games and the assess.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2021 8:31:42 GMT
Fwiw I personally thought we were premature in getting rid of Garner.... I thought we weren't premature enough! I think both are reasonable. Istm we could have easily got rid of him in April, like you say, but having let him rebuild the team, it seemed wrong at the time to get rid of him so quickly. Istm we were either getting rid of him based on his first season's record (in which case why let him rebuild the team) or we were getting rid of him based on his start to last season, which, really, was mid-table. So we actually got rid of him for not threatening the top seven in the first ten games. How deluded did that prove to be?
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Post by gasify on Aug 14, 2021 8:33:57 GMT
If we are anywhere near the top at Christmas then most of the ones on here moaning constantly about JB will either disappear without a trace or would have found something else to moan about but probably a few will still be droning on . It really is an embarrassment how the same people use every thread to criticise JB. Personally I fully expect us to show a great improvement in the coming weeks but can't see it starting before either our strikers return or we sign a new striker. Then there are JB haters who will admit they were wrong and will be happy celebrating promotion like the next fan.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 14, 2021 9:31:19 GMT
I thought we weren't premature enough! I think both are reasonable. Istm we could have easily got rid of him in April, like you say, but having let him rebuild the team, it seemed wrong at the time to get rid of him so quickly. Istm we were either getting rid of him based on his first season's record (in which case why let him rebuild the team) or we were getting rid of him based on his start to last season, which, really, was mid-table. So we actually got rid of him for not threatening the top seven in the first ten games. How deluded did that prove to be? People talk about false highs for GC but if that wasn’t a false high when Garner got sacked then I don’t know what a false high is. We’d been dicked numerous times by the higher end clubs and even been lucky that it wasn’t higher against sides like Ipswich. Our results were mostly against lower end sides and hadn’t looked convincing. We got away with murder with that win against Shrewsbury. We were already well and truly in a relegation battle. We needed to stick with him for a while having given him the summer but ultimately, the decision needed to be made at some point. Sadly, it was about 5 months too late.
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Post by LJG on Aug 14, 2021 9:35:54 GMT
I can’t believe how worked up people are getting were not in April with the season about to finish we are one league match in and lost to the one of the teams that gonna be up there with 60% of a squad and with only 1 fit striker and would have got a solid point if it Wasn’t for a stupid refereeing decision and a player sent off and the cup lost to Cheltenham is the same with only 60% of the squad available losing to last seasons champions who gonna be comfortable staying up this season,I’m not gonna judge Barton or the players until we get the likes of Finley,Nicholson,Collins,pitman back with a full strength squad and will most likely another striker added and see how it goes because I remember everyone saying giving Ben Garner time but it’s different because his name Joey Barton and everyone got a Agenda against him. Of course you are correct. Let's give him 10 games and the asses.He can have 10 games but we can't just go giving away our livestock!
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Post by yetigas on Aug 14, 2021 9:51:19 GMT
Fwiw I personally thought we were premature in getting rid of Garner.... I thought we weren't premature enough! If we'd have shook hands nicely in season curtailment, been all nice about it and put it down to a good try but an experiment that just wasn't right for us, all parties could have walked away with dignity.....and we had replacement options of the calibre of Nigel Clough amongst others. What transpired was to sack him after the transfer window closed with no credible option at that time apart from PT. From December 2019, the decisions taken to appoint managers have left us broken. 5 years of hard work has been blown away in 18 months and it's going to get worse before better. It's nice to hear encouraging words from manager on HAG, but at some point in near future it will have to be actions that speak louder. Using the same logic, I assume that you thought JB should have been sacked at the end of last season?
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Post by LJG on Aug 14, 2021 9:59:02 GMT
I thought we weren't premature enough! If we'd have shook hands nicely in season curtailment, been all nice about it and put it down to a good try but an experiment that just wasn't right for us, all parties could have walked away with dignity.....and we had replacement options of the calibre of Nigel Clough amongst others. What transpired was to sack him after the transfer window closed with no credible option at that time apart from PT. From December 2019, the decisions taken to appoint managers have left us broken. 5 years of hard work has been blown away in 18 months and it's going to get worse before better. It's nice to hear encouraging words from manager on HAG, but at some point in near future it will have to be actions that speak louder. Using the same logic, I assume that you thought JB should have been sacked at the end of last season? Yup. Oh sorry ... I thought you were asking me. 😉
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Post by yetigas on Aug 14, 2021 10:07:15 GMT
I think both are reasonable. Istm we could have easily got rid of him in April, like you say, but having let him rebuild the team, it seemed wrong at the time to get rid of him so quickly. Istm we were either getting rid of him based on his first season's record (in which case why let him rebuild the team) or we were getting rid of him based on his start to last season, which, really, was mid-table. So we actually got rid of him for not threatening the top seven in the first ten games. How deluded did that prove to be? People talk about false highs for GC but if that wasn’t a false high when Garner got sacked then I don’t know what a false high is. We’d been dicked numerous times by the higher end clubs and even been lucky that it wasn’t higher against sides like Ipswich. Our results were mostly against lower end sides and hadn’t looked convincing. We got away with murder with that win against Shrewsbury. We were already well and truly in a relegation battle. We needed to stick with him for a while having given him the summer but ultimately, the decision needed to be made at some point. Sadly, it was about 5 months too late. In Garners last 10 games we lost 3 times - two of which were against Hull and Peterborough who finished 1st and 2nd. We won 4 of those games, so 40% win ratio. It was a VERY strange time to sack him. When you look at a managers performance I would argue that when things are improving you stick with the manager. I would say the same with JB - the improvement has yet to be seen, but assuming it comes soon (I live in hope!) then I would judge him on those results. If I understand your logic right then you would want JB gone now as he has done an awful job judging by results to date. The trouble is we sack him now, then another manager inherits his players and makes the same excuses as JB and we then have to wait another season. So I feel we should have stuck with Garner last season and (court cases allowing) we should stick with JB this season.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 14, 2021 10:18:54 GMT
People talk about false highs for GC but if that wasn’t a false high when Garner got sacked then I don’t know what a false high is. We’d been dicked numerous times by the higher end clubs and even been lucky that it wasn’t higher against sides like Ipswich. Our results were mostly against lower end sides and hadn’t looked convincing. We got away with murder with that win against Shrewsbury. We were already well and truly in a relegation battle. We needed to stick with him for a while having given him the summer but ultimately, the decision needed to be made at some point. Sadly, it was about 5 months too late. In Garners last 10 games we lost 3 times - two of which were against Hull and Peterborough who finished 1st and 2nd. We won 4 of those games, so 40% win ratio. It was a VERY strange time to sack him. When you look at a managers performance I would argue that when things are improving you stick with the manager. I would say the same with JB - the improvement has yet to be seen, but assuming it comes soon (I live in hope!) then I would judge him on those results. If I understand your logic right then you would want JB gone now as he has done an awful job judging by results to date. The trouble is we sack him now, then another manager inherits his players and makes the same excuses as JB and we then have to wait another season. So I feel we should have stuck with Garner last season and (court cases allowing) we should stick with JB this season. I take no issue with us sacking Garner, but we should have sacked him at the end of the season or sacked him earlier and brought in Nigel Clough. The real issue that I have was his replacement in Tisdale and then his gross incompetence from Nov-Jan. That’s what put the nail in the coffin.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 14, 2021 10:21:59 GMT
People talk about false highs for GC but if that wasn’t a false high when Garner got sacked then I don’t know what a false high is. We’d been dicked numerous times by the higher end clubs and even been lucky that it wasn’t higher against sides like Ipswich. Our results were mostly against lower end sides and hadn’t looked convincing. We got away with murder with that win against Shrewsbury. We were already well and truly in a relegation battle. We needed to stick with him for a while having given him the summer but ultimately, the decision needed to be made at some point. Sadly, it was about 5 months too late. In Garners last 10 games we lost 3 times - two of which were against Hull and Peterborough who finished 1st and 2nd. We won 4 of those games, so 40% win ratio. It was a VERY strange time to sack him. When you look at a managers performance I would argue that when things are improving you stick with the manager. I would say the same with JB - the improvement has yet to be seen, but assuming it comes soon (I live in hope!) then I would judge him on those results. If I understand your logic right then you would want JB gone now as he has done an awful job judging by results to date. The trouble is we sack him now, then another manager inherits his players and makes the same excuses as JB and we then have to wait another season. So I feel we should have stuck with Garner last season and (court cases allowing) we should stick with JB this season. Stats only tell half the story, and are useless without context. Like I have said before on here many a time, the results were mostly against teams who were also in a relegation battle with us anyway, and the performances weren't getting any better. So I respectfully disagree strongly that things were getting better. Ben demonstrated little ability to impact our game from the sidelines and that was ultimately what got him the sack from a board who backed him far beyond the point most other clubs would. Would I get rid of Joe now? No, I'd stick with him based strictly on playing matters. But that's again because whilst their stats might be similar, the context is wildly different. One manager took over a squad who would grind a win out of the most difficult of circumstances. The other manager took over a squad who couldn't buy a win. One turned our form around for the worse, another failed to turn it around from a dire situation. BG's inherited squad might not have been the prettiest but they were capable of grinding out results - the squad he built and handed over to PT and subsequently JB was woeful. Resultingly I judge them differently and I'm willing to give JB a chance to rebuild the club.
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