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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 12:58:01 GMT
look what he did a fleetwood for a start we have a whole new team its going to take a little time hes an amazing coach and manager be patient look at paul cook same thing struggling at the moment but will be there or there abouts salford as well were 4 games in ffs remember us in the confrence we were Dam sh** for 1st 8-10 games then we took off First 10 games in conference P10 W4 D2 L4
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 13:00:58 GMT
Tbf Joey said it will take a few matches before we have a team on the pitch playing and winning in the manner we would all like. Personally, I saw enough during the first 45 against the Latics to convince me he may well be right. I do not understand why when we have a bad result fans simply want to look back on even worse times. I say give Joey, the manager a chance, and get behind the team. Don't remember Joey saying that at the start of pre-season. Though he was going to put it all right by giving the players proper training and coaching in pre season? Problem in the past was players never had a proper pre-season I though Joey told us?
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 22, 2021 13:22:49 GMT
What did people expect him to tell us when he came in? Sorry lads we are definitely going to get relegated!! He probably had every thought that he would run a proper pre season though i suppose he should have known about the effects of Covid.
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Post by playtowin on Aug 22, 2021 13:23:27 GMT
look what he did a fleetwood for a start we have a whole new team its going to take a little time hes an amazing coach and manager be patient look at paul cook same thing struggling at the moment but will be there or there abouts salford as well were 4 games in ffs remember us in the confrence we were Dam sh** for 1st 8-10 games then we took off First 10 games in conference P10 W4 D2 L4 First 4 W1 D1 L2 The fourth game was the victory and the calls for DC to be sacked had been in full swing. Picked up after that and the rest is history
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 13:35:04 GMT
look what he did a fleetwood for a start we have a whole new team its going to take a little time hes an amazing coach and manager be patient look at paul cook same thing struggling at the moment but will be there or there abouts salford as well were 4 games in ffs remember us in the confrence we were Dam sh** for 1st 8-10 games then we took off First 10 games in conference P10 W4 D2 L4 Barton could only dream of a record like then when we are in the conference/ National League.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 22, 2021 15:08:42 GMT
He has indeed said many times that it will take a while , he has even said as long as up to Christmas, so the folk who want us to be leading the pack after a few games are obviously disappointed, at the other end of the spectrum there will be fans of clubs who have hit the ground running dreaming of winning the league by a distance. A lot of fans of the latter will end up very disappointed and of the former rewarded for there patience, the Championship table after 5 games last season looked wonderful for our neighbours, not quite so good after 46 games though! Just as the victory over Oldham did not mean every thing was perfect, a mad 25 mins yesterday does not spell disaster. What is it, 4 wins out of 23, and two of those were in his first half dozen games here, with the squad he slagged off? His squad, which he told us will be the fittest after pre season, are now one win four. So he told us we would not be relegated, we were. He told us our new squad would be prepared, fit and ready for the start of the season..they are not. Leaving aside his personal failings, what evidence can you provide that would generate any sort of confidence that he knows what he is doing? Other than blind faith. It’s 1 win in 4 league games. Last season Joey was working with Ben’s squad which was awful. Yes, l have a lot of faith in BRFC, good with the bad. Will hold my nerve and support the current group of players, who imo are more than good enough to do well in div 2.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 15:14:51 GMT
What is it, 4 wins out of 23, and two of those were in his first half dozen games here, with the squad he slagged off? His squad, which he told us will be the fittest after pre season, are now one win four. So he told us we would not be relegated, we were. He told us our new squad would be prepared, fit and ready for the start of the season..they are not. Leaving aside his personal failings, what evidence can you provide that would generate any sort of confidence that he knows what he is doing? Other than blind faith. It’s 1 win in 4 league games. Last season Joey was working with Ben’s squad which was awful. Yes, l have a lot of faith in BRFC, good with the bad. Will hold my nerve and support the current group of players, who imo are more than good enough to do well in div 2. You are entitled to that opinion. Mine is that I have absolutely no faith in Barton as a manager and coach, and, to add to that, he is a repugnant human being.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 22, 2021 15:48:11 GMT
I was a big fan of Barton’s appointment but even I’m struggling to back him at present. What I will say with regards fans being pro or against is that the atmosphere at the mem the 2 home league matches this season has been better than anything in the last 4 years. Not saying it’s for or against Barton but proud of the backing we’ve given the team regardless of who’s in charge. Il Back this team whoever’s at the helm and it’s clear thousands of others will. I love the club. Not who’s in charge. Yes, that’s about it. I love this club and not who’s in charge. From a footballing pov JB was probably a good appointment. It was just all the stuff he brought with him and in that respect it’s got worse with a second court case pending. The court cases, if they go against him, as Wael has said, will do for him probably. But that may save Wael a load of cash. But in the end it’s the footballing side that will determine his future. And that has been crap. Atm it’s awful football with awful results which in the end if it continues will do for him as it did for BG and Tis. Just as those two needed some wins so does JB. 17 defeats since February is plainly unacceptable. And as I keep banging on about it, this League is not the league to b***** about in. I don’t think we’ll do a Chesterfield or Southend but it’s looking pretty similar at the moment. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 22, 2021 16:07:05 GMT
Come on people Pirate is entitled to change his mind. Be fair nhe has nrecommended 250,000 players we should have signed! How many of those players have actually gone on to be successful? A football manager does not have the luxury to be able to sign every Tom,Dick and Harry and then realise three quarters of them are no good whatsoever. It is very easy to put together a video of even the average park player and make them look good. Whether JB is the right man for the job who knows? Results since he has been here would say NO in a very similar way to what results in the season before last said that BG should never have been employed for last season but the Owner has made a decision and we are now in the position that we have Joey Bartons team of both players and coaches and it is not difficult to see glimpses of very good players there but the big question is can they gel into a good unit? From experience of many seasons following Rovers and football in general there comes a time where you have to say that a project isn't working howeverfour games into a season with a bran d new team is nowhere near long enough to make a decision. There is not a better example of this than last season.Forget who the Managers were just name them A,B and C where A started a project on the back of a poor period managing somebody elses players the season before. A rebuilt the club with the majority of his own players and after an average to poor start was replaced by Manager B(a proven manager) who in fact produced worse results AND with the benefit of the January window which resulted in Manager C who had no control over personnel,lost the best player we did have to injury and then ended up with the worst results of the three. Each time on this forum the majority were in favour of the sacking of the Manager but now we can all look back and see that results prove we would havr been better off keeping Manager A and giving him the benefit of the January window and we would probably have stayed up. Rightly or wrongly you have to forget the results from last season and now have to only count from the start of the project. I think with a new project if at all possible you have to give the Manager at least two windows to alter things. JBs first window is not even up yet and some people are saying sack him- probably the same people who were saying sack Managers A and B last season!! IMO we have made our bed and now have to lie in it and hope. It is very easy to look at 4 results and want a Manager out- Oldham supporters are doing the same thing- it was the same under DC (Office Barbrady take note) and that was after 12 games in the Conferance! Remember it is not OUR money that is at stake here but every project costs a lot of money. Wael cannot afford to throw another project under a bus, it is easy for us as supporters to say sack the Manager but somebody has to pay for it and after 4 results it mis impossible to judge success or failure. IMO it is very much a case of judging a project at the end of a season unless you reach a stage where you have to make a decision when it is obvious that a project is not going to work out. To be accurate Steve, after our 12th game in the Conference we’d just beaten Southport away which was our 5th win on the bounce before the draw at Eastleigh, our 13th game. At that stage I was convinced we’d be going up. So, definitely not the same. But I agree with your points, although the dig at pirate is unnecessary. And whilst we should judge the success of the “project” at the end of a season, League 2 doesn’t really allow that privilege, imo. We know what can happen. And whatever the opinions are JB needs to get some wins and draws and try to give us some stability asap because whatever views are football is a results business. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Aug 22, 2021 16:10:26 GMT
Come on people Pirate is entitled to change his mind. Be fair nhe has nrecommended 250,000 players we should have signed! How many of those players have actually gone on to be successful? A football manager does not have the luxury to be able to sign every Tom,Dick and Harry and then realise three quarters of them are no good whatsoever. It is very easy to put together a video of even the average park player and make them look good. Whether JB is the right man for the job who knows? Results since he has been here would say NO in a very similar way to what results in the season before last said that BG should never have been employed for last season but the Owner has made a decision and we are now in the position that we have Joey Bartons team of both players and coaches and it is not difficult to see glimpses of very good players there but the big question is can they gel into a good unit? From experience of many seasons following Rovers and football in general there comes a time where you have to say that a project isn't working howeverfour games into a season with a bran d new team is nowhere near long enough to make a decision. There is not a better example of this than last season.Forget who the Managers were just name them A,B and C where A started a project on the back of a poor period managing somebody elses players the season before. A rebuilt the club with the majority of his own players and after an average to poor start was replaced by Manager B(a proven manager) who in fact produced worse results AND with the benefit of the January window which resulted in Manager C who had no control over personnel,lost the best player we did have to injury and then ended up with the worst results of the three. Each time on this forum the majority were in favour of the sacking of the Manager but now we can all look back and see that results prove we would havr been better off keeping Manager A and giving him the benefit of the January window and we would probably have stayed up. Rightly or wrongly you have to forget the results from last season and now have to only count from the start of the project. I think with a new project if at all possible you have to give the Manager at least two windows to alter things. JBs first window is not even up yet and some people are saying sack him- probably the same people who were saying sack Managers A and B last season!! IMO we have made our bed and now have to lie in it and hope. It is very easy to look at 4 results and want a Manager out- Oldham supporters are doing the same thing- it was the same under DC (Office Barbrady take note) and that was after 12 games in the Conferance! Remember it is not OUR money that is at stake here but every project costs a lot of money. Wael cannot afford to throw another project under a bus, it is easy for us as supporters to say sack the Manager but somebody has to pay for it and after 4 results it mis impossible to judge success or failure. IMO it is very much a case of judging a project at the end of a season unless you reach a stage where you have to make a decision when it is obvious that a project is not going to work out. To be accurate Steve, after our 12th game in the Conference we’d just beaten Southport away which was our 5th win on the bounce before the draw at Eastleigh, our 13th game. At that stage I was convinced we’d be going up. So, definitely not the same. But I agree with your points, although the dig at pirate is unnecessary. And whilst we should judge the success of the “project” at the end of a season, League 2 doesn’t really allow that privilege, imo. We know what can happen. And whatever the opinions are JB needs to get some wins and draws and try to give us some stability asap because whatever views are football is a results business. UTG! Its ok Wareham, Stevek changes his opinion (daily) more times than he changes his underpants and the amount of bollocks he talks I take anything he says with a pinch of salt anyway. 😆
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 22, 2021 16:33:01 GMT
Come on people Pirate is entitled to change his mind. Be fair nhe has nrecommended 250,000 players we should have signed! How many of those players have actually gone on to be successful? A football manager does not have the luxury to be able to sign every Tom,Dick and Harry and then realise three quarters of them are no good whatsoever. It is very easy to put together a video of even the average park player and make them look good. Whether JB is the right man for the job who knows? Results since he has been here would say NO in a very similar way to what results in the season before last said that BG should never have been employed for last season but the Owner has made a decision and we are now in the position that we have Joey Bartons team of both players and coaches and it is not difficult to see glimpses of very good players there but the big question is can they gel into a good unit? From experience of many seasons following Rovers and football in general there comes a time where you have to say that a project isn't working howeverfour games into a season with a bran d new team is nowhere near long enough to make a decision. There is not a better example of this than last season.Forget who the Managers were just name them A,B and C where A started a project on the back of a poor period managing somebody elses players the season before. A rebuilt the club with the majority of his own players and after an average to poor start was replaced by Manager B(a proven manager) who in fact produced worse results AND with the benefit of the January window which resulted in Manager C who had no control over personnel,lost the best player we did have to injury and then ended up with the worst results of the three. Each time on this forum the majority were in favour of the sacking of the Manager but now we can all look back and see that results prove we would havr been better off keeping Manager A and giving him the benefit of the January window and we would probably have stayed up. Rightly or wrongly you have to forget the results from last season and now have to only count from the start of the project. I think with a new project if at all possible you have to give the Manager at least two windows to alter things. JBs first window is not even up yet and some people are saying sack him- probably the same people who were saying sack Managers A and B last season!! IMO we have made our bed and now have to lie in it and hope. It is very easy to look at 4 results and want a Manager out- Oldham supporters are doing the same thing- it was the same under DC (Office Barbrady take note) and that was after 12 games in the Conferance! Remember it is not OUR money that is at stake here but every project costs a lot of money. Wael cannot afford to throw another project under a bus, it is easy for us as supporters to say sack the Manager but somebody has to pay for it and after 4 results it mis impossible to judge success or failure. IMO it is very much a case of judging a project at the end of a season unless you reach a stage where you have to make a decision when it is obvious that a project is not going to work out. Hi Steve, noted your opinion and 4 game memory capacity with thanks. OB
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Post by pirate on Aug 22, 2021 16:34:36 GMT
Hey stevek192 , Quite happy with this list of tip offs from semi-pro to the club be fair. Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy, Che Adams, Rhys Healey, Aden Flint, Dwight Gayle, Jarrod Bowen, Lee Gregory, Joe Lolley, Jamal Lowe, Albert Adomah, Erhun Oztumer, Lee Tomlin, Conor Washington, Duncan Watmore, Marc Roberts, Sean Raggett, Kieffer Moore and Gavin Whyte Another one was Jack Marriott. Not non-league, but was scoring goals for fun in Ipswich U18s and Mick McCarthy was willing to let him leave. Over past couple of years... Fin Stevens (Worthing to Brentford), Eric Ameyaw (Dunstable Town to Fulham), Jacob Wakeling (Alvechurch to Leicester City), Tyler Willians (Stalybridge Celtic to Middlesbrough), Callum Wood (Hereford to Bristol City), Danny Imray (Chelmsford City to Crystal Palace), Ben Hughes (Chippenham Town to Swansea City), Jayden Wareham (Woking to Chelsea), Seb Drozd (Uxbridge to Millwall), Sonny Carey (Wroxham to Kings Lynn, now Blackpool), Ricky Aguiar (Worthing to Swindon), and of course Ryan Jones (W-s-M to Rovers).
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Post by cj on Aug 22, 2021 16:36:58 GMT
What is it, 4 wins out of 23, and two of those were in his first half dozen games here, with the squad he slagged off? His squad, which he told us will be the fittest after pre season, are now one win four. So he told us we would not be relegated, we were. He told us our new squad would be prepared, fit and ready for the start of the season..they are not. Leaving aside his personal failings, what evidence can you provide that would generate any sort of confidence that he knows what he is doing? Other than blind faith. It’s 1 win in 4 league games. Last season Joey was working with Ben’s squad which was awful. Yes, l have a lot of faith in BRFC, good with the bad. Will hold my nerve and support the current group of players, who imo are more than good enough to do well in div 2. It's 4 in 23 because a good manager knows how to get the best from players regardless if he signed them or not. An example would be Burton last season who got a new manager just a month before we got JB arrived. They were rock bottom looking dead and buried and was 9 points behind Rovers at that time and we had 4 games in hand on them too. They finished the season 19 points ahead of us meaning they gained 28 points more than we did since he joined Burton. He didn't slag off the players or make excuses. Instead he quickly got the best out of the players that he inherited. JB though, came in and quickly slagged off the players, coaches, previous managers, training sessions and began to blame everyone else for his own failings for each passing game. Not sure how this was ever going to help improve the players moral and confidence and get the best out of them. He literally gave up on the squad and the players knew it so gave up too. We were 19th when JB came in. There were 5 worst teams than Rovers at that point. But his man management lead us to rock bottom and the only team not to even reach 40 points.
So it's not 1 in 4. It's 4 in 23 and JB ain't good at getting the best out of his or inherited players.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2021 17:08:43 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up.
If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons.
Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 17:27:10 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. So how many players has Barton brought in over the summer?
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Post by cj on Aug 22, 2021 17:28:05 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Yes he made signings. I have had the same conversation elsewhere. He still used players that he inherited so the point still stands. So, he was able to get the best out of the players he inherited. He was also able to get the best out of the players he signed. Then he was able to get them all to gel together really quickly, none of this need 10 games or 4 months to gel crap. He got them all quickly working together to gain 28 points more than what we did in that period. 28 points more. 28 points is not far off how many points we got in the entire season. He managed to do that with a club rock bottom looking dead and buried short of moral and confidence. Did he go in slagging off players/coaches/ex manager or did he work with the players working with their strengths and got the best out of them? My whole point is if you are a good manager, you can work with players and get the best out of them regardless if you signed them or not. JB has proved he can't get the best out of players regardless if he signed them or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 17:33:06 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Burton brought in seven permanent signings and five loan signings in January this year after Hasselbank joined them on 1st January.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Aug 22, 2021 17:36:41 GMT
I was a supporter of the Barton appointment but I'm starting to get a little twitchy now. Current league record is 1 win and 9 defeats in 10 consecutive matches. Possibly the worst n the football league.
To date 4 defeats in 5 competitive games this season. The only victory against the team rooted to the bottom of the table with no points whatsoever.
After Exeter the joint worst goal difference in the league.
If things don't improve soon changes will have to be made on and off the pitch or we could be dusting off our National League road maps for next season. How on earth did it come to this?
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 17:42:25 GMT
I was a supporter of the Barton appointment but I'm starting to get a little twitchy now. Current league record is 1 win and 9 defeats in 10 consecutive matches. Possibly the worst n the football league. To date 4 defeats in 5 competitive games this season. The only victory against the team rooted to the bottom of the table with no points whatsoever. After Exeter the joint worst goal difference in the league. If things don't improve soon changes will have to be made on and off the pitch or we could be dusting off our National League road maps for next season. How on earth did it come to this? An incompetent executive at board level?
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 22, 2021 17:47:12 GMT
Pirate, That is 20 from probably 50 recommendations a week, A football manager has to be as right as possible with his selections which is what I was getting at, You are the only person i kn ow on here who ,ake recommendations and I have no problem whatsoever with your doing this,in fact it makes an interesting read but the point I was making is you can make all these but the Manager has to pick a very small few. It was nothing personal, i was referring to your change of opinion on JB, It mis interesting that you say I change my mind when I tend to have a reputation for NOT changing my mind!! No hard feelings but I will back JB for as long as he is manager and hope that it is a reasonable amount of time for a completely new project. I may also add that I hope some of your recommendations are taken up and if so they are a success.
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