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Post by cj on Aug 22, 2021 18:08:55 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 18:11:32 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
Good stuff CJ
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 22, 2021 18:17:02 GMT
Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
Good stuff CJ Absolutely, its the reason I hate JB as much as I do. He effectively gave up last season. Didn't even try to keep us up in the end, just apathy and talking sh** about the players we were relying on. How any gashead can continue to support him after that is beyond me. We may well have been as good as relegated, debatable, but he came in and wrecked any chance we had of surviving and is praised by Rovers fans? Even celebrated for his 'fighting spirit'?? Whats that about?
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Post by cj on Aug 22, 2021 18:25:38 GMT
Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
Good stuff CJ If JB was getting the best out of the players and we were putting up a good fight, fighting for the club, the shirt and the fans and we still got relegated, I doubt JB would be getting as much criticism and would have more calls for giving him time etc. But the manner of his own performance as manager, throwing in the towel early on with over 10 games to go, just giving up and taking it all out on the players publicly slagging them off and draining every last drop of moral and confidence is what actually killed us when we had a chance to stay up if he tried to get the best from the players.
Im beginning to think after 5 games or so with us that he wasn't up for it so is doing his best to get sacked so he can leave but with a pay off.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 18:28:51 GMT
Absolutely, its the reason I hate JB as much as I do. He effectively gave up last season. Didn't even try to keep us up in the end, just apathy and talking sh** about the players we were relying on. How any gashead can continue to support him after that is beyond me. We may well have been as good as relegated, debatable, but he came in and wrecked any chance we had of surviving and is praised by Rovers fans? Even celebrated for his 'fighting spirit'?? Whats that about? I have my theory why some people find him attractive, but its not particularly flattering. There is a common denominator.
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Post by LJG on Aug 22, 2021 19:23:27 GMT
What did people expect him to tell us when he came in? Sorry lads we are definitely going to get relegated!! He probably had every thought that he would run a proper pre season though i suppose he should have known about the effects of Covid. Nah he waited until we had 8 league games left to play (24 points at stake) before talking about his plan for League Two.
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Post by gregsy on Aug 22, 2021 19:41:20 GMT
I'll put my own thoughts about Barton on here, something I've been meaning to do but haven't got around to....
When he was recruited I was pretty unhappy with the appointment, never liked him as a player or an opposing manager. That said I'm perfectly aware that every recruitment at the football club may not be to my personal taste, but might be to others and I've never worked in football.... So what do I know?
The fan divide issue was clearcut from the off. I personally thought it could improve given time and decent results, or even half decent results could win me over. But the results were tragic, the interviews were tragic, the blaming got ridiculous and by the time we were relegated with 3 games to go I'd pretty much made my mind up....
Or so I thought....
The board put their trust in him so I'm OK with that. I assume he has the budget and the contacts and I was supportive of the logic that we can't keep sacking managers, so away we go.... League 2 here we are....
Then more trouble.... For me at the moment his court cases are pending, so it doesn't really matter if guilty or not, its just the blokes inability to keep himself out of trouble at the moment.... I've never been arrested or charged for assault, seems pretty straight forward to me to avoid this kind of stuff. So I'm left wondering why we have a manager who draws such negative press....
Now.... Promotion talk. How arrogant were we with that. I'm not saying it won't happen or it still isn't possible, I hope it happens but can't we just be a little more respectful of the division, and keep our tone lowered? There's no value in giving it large in a league that has 15 - 20 very well run professional clubs when you're on a rebuild.... All we've done is make ourselves a target for both opposition sides wishing to prove a point, and ridicule....
And now here we are currently miles off of expectations in terms of results.... Yet again....
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Post by gasify on Aug 22, 2021 19:46:32 GMT
look what he did a fleetwood for a start we have a whole new team its going to take a little time hes an amazing coach and manager be patient look at paul cook same thing struggling at the moment but will be there or there abouts salford as well were 4 games in ffs remember us in the confrence we were Dam sh** for 1st 8-10 games then we took off I don't think you can say he is an amazing coach. An amazing coach would have kept us up last season. An amazing coach would've got the best out of the players given, not give up with 6 games left. As for the results at the start of the conference season, people are remembering what they want to remember. Have a look here: www.worldfootball.net/teams/bristol-rovers/2015/3/After 10 games, we had 5 wins two draws and three losses. Braintree was the wake up call at game 7, we had 8 points on the board at that point. I really hope that this does get repeated this season. I really do.
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 19:47:10 GMT
I'll put my own thoughts about Barton on here, something I've been meaning to do but haven't got around to.... When he was recruited I was pretty unhappy with the appointment, never liked him as a player or an opposing manager. That said I'm perfectly aware that every recruitment at the football club may not be to my personal taste, but might be to others and I've never worked in football.... So what do I know? The fan divide issue was clearcut from the off. I personally thought it could improve given time and decent results, or even half decent results could win me over. But the results were tragic, the interviews were tragic, the blaming got ridiculous and by the time we were relegated with 3 games to go I'd pretty much made my mind up.... Or so I thought.... The board put their trust in him so I'm OK with that. I assume he has the budget and the contacts and I was supportive of the logic that we can't keep sacking managers, so away we go.... League 2 here we are.... Then more trouble.... For me at the moment his court cases are pending, so it doesn't really matter if guilty or not, its just the blokes inability to keep himself out of trouble at the moment.... I've never been arrested or charged for assault, seems pretty straight forward to me to avoid this kind of stuff. So I'm left wondering why we have a manager who draws such negative press.... Now.... Promotion talk. How arrogant were we with that. I'm not saying it won't happen or it still isn't possible, I hope it happens but can't we just be a little more respectful of the division, and keep our tone lowered? There's no value in giving it large in a league that has 15 - 20 very well run professional clubs when you're on a rebuild.... All we've done is make ourselves a target for both opposition sides wishing to prove a point, and ridicule.... And now here we are currently miles off of expectations in terms of results.... Yet again.... That's quite a journey to not state what you have concluded at this point?
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Post by mjg on Aug 22, 2021 19:49:13 GMT
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Post by gashead4ever on Aug 22, 2021 19:51:01 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
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Post by gashead4ever on Aug 22, 2021 19:52:57 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
wimbledon had a proper strick in pigott we had a bunch of Dam pussy we were a lost cause no could of saved us last year teams your talking about had better players than us we were appalling
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Post by gregsy on Aug 22, 2021 19:53:40 GMT
I'll put my own thoughts about Barton on here, something I've been meaning to do but haven't got around to.... When he was recruited I was pretty unhappy with the appointment, never liked him as a player or an opposing manager. That said I'm perfectly aware that every recruitment at the football club may not be to my personal taste, but might be to others and I've never worked in football.... So what do I know? The fan divide issue was clearcut from the off. I personally thought it could improve given time and decent results, or even half decent results could win me over. But the results were tragic, the interviews were tragic, the blaming got ridiculous and by the time we were relegated with 3 games to go I'd pretty much made my mind up.... Or so I thought.... The board put their trust in him so I'm OK with that. I assume he has the budget and the contacts and I was supportive of the logic that we can't keep sacking managers, so away we go.... League 2 here we are.... Then more trouble.... For me at the moment his court cases are pending, so it doesn't really matter if guilty or not, its just the blokes inability to keep himself out of trouble at the moment.... I've never been arrested or charged for assault, seems pretty straight forward to me to avoid this kind of stuff. So I'm left wondering why we have a manager who draws such negative press.... Now.... Promotion talk. How arrogant were we with that. I'm not saying it won't happen or it still isn't possible, I hope it happens but can't we just be a little more respectful of the division, and keep our tone lowered? There's no value in giving it large in a league that has 15 - 20 very well run professional clubs when you're on a rebuild.... All we've done is make ourselves a target for both opposition sides wishing to prove a point, and ridicule.... And now here we are currently miles off of expectations in terms of results.... Yet again.... That's quite a journey to not state what you have concluded at this point? I'd like him gone to be honest.... Other clubs seem to capable of running a lot less complicated operation.... But then again, every change we make makes things more complicated.... It does my head in quite frankly.... Surely there's an easier way?
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Post by oldie on Aug 22, 2021 20:04:17 GMT
That's quite a journey to not state what you have concluded at this point? I'd like him gone to be honest.... Other clubs seem to capable of running a lot less complicated operation.... But then again, every change we make makes things more complicated.... It does my head in quite frankly.... Surely there's an easier way? Yep agreed. I think the club, let's say the directors, have shown themselves to have been largely incompetent in the recruitment and management of the most important position within the club. They took a successful manager and led him to disillusionment, got worse with Coughlan and its degenerated into farce since then. I no longer necessarily blame Barton, he cuts a sad deluded figure in his interviews. Clearly over promoted, completely out of his depth. God knows where we go from here, but he has to be cut free.
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Post by cj on Aug 22, 2021 20:08:03 GMT
Let's try Wimbledon then. Hired their manager 5 days before we hired JB. So no transfer window and had to use the squad that he inherited. We were out of the relegation and they were below us in the bottom 4. They ended up 13 points ahead of us and they survived. The manager didn't publicly slag off the players etc to make make the moral and confidence of the players even lower. Instead he got the best out of the players and completed his objective which was to stay up.
How about Northampton. Hired their manager 11 days before we hired JB. Again the transfer window was shut and had to use the squad he inherited. They were 2nd bottom just above Burton. The new manager got 21 points finishing 7 points ahead of Rovers. They still got relegated but he got what he could from the players he inherited and missed out on survival by just 3 points putting up a good fight.
Even Swindon. Their caretaker manager was given just 4 games until the end of the season. They didn't survive but he won 2 of the games getting a 50% win percentage. So last season alone, Swindon's caretaker won 2 in 4 getting 6 points from 12. While JB won 3 in 18 at Rovers last season getting 11 points from 54. Even a caretaker manager got the best from the players he inherited. They even scored 8 in those 4 games while the position JB slagged off the most failed to score in 11 of those 18 games.
Again, my whole point is a good manager gets the best from the players regardless if he had signed them or not.
wimbledon had a proper strick in pigott we had a bunch of Dam pussy we were a lost cause no could of saved us last year teams your talking about had better players than us we were appallingYes, we were appalling yet we were above all of these teams when their new managers took over. We were not even in the relegation zone. Yes Wimbledon had Pigott but they were still below us even with Pigott. Their new managers came in and got the best out of the players they inherited. So not counting JB's stats last season because they were not his players is just an excuse for JB because he failed to get the best out of what he inherited. He gave up and didn't even try in those last 10 games or so. Blaming everyone for everything and slagging the players off. Good managers know how to get the best out of players regardless if they signed them or not. Slagging them off when you know they are all you have was always going to end in failure, which it did. People need to stop saying they were not his players. He became their manager so therefore they became his players. He took over them out of the relegation and while other clubs improved, we got worse.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2021 20:13:52 GMT
Burton brought in 9 players, Barton was stuck with BG's youngsters then quickly lost Oztimur and Nicholson with Hanlan carrying an injury. Until he loss all them we looked like we might stay up. If your going to make comparisons at least make them fair comparisons. Back to Hasslebank, Burton have won 3 out of 4 this season, whereas in his last job at Northampton he had a win ratio of just 23.8. Yes he made signings. I have had the same conversation elsewhere. He still used players that he inherited so the point still stands. So, he was able to get the best out of the players he inherited. He was also able to get the best out of the players he signed. Then he was able to get them all to gel together really quickly, none of this need 10 games or 4 months to gel crap. He got them all quickly working together to gain 28 points more than what we did in that period. 28 points more. 28 points is not far off how many points we got in the entire season. He managed to do that with a club rock bottom looking dead and buried short of moral and confidence. Did he go in slagging off players/coaches/ex manager or did he work with the players working with their strengths and got the best out of them? My whole point is if you are a good manager, you can work with players and get the best out of them regardless if you signed them or not. JB has proved he can't get the best out of players regardless if he signed them or not. Your changing your POV to suit your anti Barton agenda, let's face it if Tisdale had just signed Stockley we may still be a L1 side with PT at the helm and that's just one additional signing. Adding extra players to the squad in January seems far easier than building an entirely new squad in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 20:14:23 GMT
Absolutely, its the reason I hate JB as much as I do. He effectively gave up last season. Didn't even try to keep us up in the end, just apathy and talking sh** about the players we were relying on. How any gashead can continue to support him after that is beyond me. We may well have been as good as relegated, debatable, but he came in and wrecked any chance we had of surviving and is praised by Rovers fans? Even celebrated for his 'fighting spirit'?? Whats that about? I have my theory why some people find him attractive, but its not particularly flattering. There is a common denominator. Oh dear, you're stooping even lower now than I thought capable. Please enlighten us with the details of your 'theory'. Because some of us do not want Rovers to lose the next two games as you do in order to achieve your Barton sacking objective we somehow find him 'attractive' whatever that means. I'm prepared to give him a chance over the next month or two, if he fails he can go and likewise if ends up in jail he should go. So tell me what is this common denominator you refer to? 'vile scum'? 'disgusting human being'? 'scumbag'? Which one am I for not thinking that the immediate sacking of Barton is the best action for the club?
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Post by gasify on Aug 22, 2021 20:20:52 GMT
Do not compare Barton to Gerry 😂 Francis was rubbish to start with and the club was heading swiftly towards the relegation zone. Until the Sunderland game changed everything which lead to a run of results leaving rovers in 8th. Before that game you could have thought GF was not cut out to manage as he had already relegated Exeter the year before. 20th feb 1988 rovers sat in 20th spot out of the relegation zone on goal difference. W1 D2 L6 being the last 9 results in league and cup. Next game the league leaders. The manager had already relegated his previous club. Do we give the manager more games or sack him now and hope for the new manager boost ? Current logic would say sack him. Good job we didnt ! Was that before or after he spent £10k of his own money on Holloway?
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Post by cj on Aug 22, 2021 20:35:54 GMT
Yes he made signings. I have had the same conversation elsewhere. He still used players that he inherited so the point still stands. So, he was able to get the best out of the players he inherited. He was also able to get the best out of the players he signed. Then he was able to get them all to gel together really quickly, none of this need 10 games or 4 months to gel crap. He got them all quickly working together to gain 28 points more than what we did in that period. 28 points more. 28 points is not far off how many points we got in the entire season. He managed to do that with a club rock bottom looking dead and buried short of moral and confidence. Did he go in slagging off players/coaches/ex manager or did he work with the players working with their strengths and got the best out of them? My whole point is if you are a good manager, you can work with players and get the best out of them regardless if you signed them or not. JB has proved he can't get the best out of players regardless if he signed them or not. Your changing your POV to suit your anti Barton agenda, let's face it if Tisdale had just signed Stockley we may still be a L1 side with PT at the helm and that's just one additional signing. Adding extra players to the squad in January seems far easier than building an entirely new squad in the summer. Im not changing anything. I am simply saying people need to stop saying the players last season was not JB's players and that they are only judging him from this season onwards with his own signings. Like I said just now in a response to someone else, JB took over as their manager therefore they became his players. He became responsible for their actions and for his own. I simply gave an example of another manager who came into a club doing far worse than us and got the best out of players that were not his own and smashed it. You correctly made the point that he signed a number of players. But to me that added more weight to the argument on my side. He not only got the best from the players he inherited, he got the best from his signings and got them gelling immediately. He actually won 4 games in his first 6 games. That took JB 23 games to win 4 games. I also replied to you with 3 other examples of new managers that were in a worse position than us and they didn't sign any players, just like JB yet did better.
Yes I am anti JB. I make no secret about that. I didn't rate his managerial career before he joined us and was dead against his appointment. I don't rate his managerial career with us and he needs to go. I am only discussing his managerial performance which has not been good enough. Im not even discussing all the off field issues and his past either. There is no point.
Apparently the Burton manager signed 11 in January and he only took over at the start of the month. So he identified targets and got them fast. Got them to gel fast with existing players that he inherited and gained 28 points on us and survived. How many signings have JB made this summer? Similar number I guess. 13 or so probably. So not much difference. Had longer to get them to gel and even had some friendlies too and had time away to bond. Yet we are still failing in the exact same way as last season and being told we will get promoted this season but the players won't start to perform until xmas. Beggers belief.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 22, 2021 20:37:25 GMT
I’ve read the headline but no other posts. Am I panicking, nope ? Do I think we could still get promoted . Yep Will we without signing a decent striker and centre back ? Nope
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