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Post by gashead4ever on Sept 5, 2021 9:05:59 GMT
although we kept a clean sheet and taylor was best player on pitch i still think playing 3 at the back teams get down the side of us most of crawley chances were created down the left or right we need to find a way of becoming more compacted
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Post by Marshy on Sept 5, 2021 9:11:10 GMT
although we kept a clean sheet and taylor was best player on pitch i still think playing 3 at the back teams get down the side of us most of crawley chances were created down the left or right we need to find a way of becoming more compacted Yes I agree we are far to open in those areas. The game would have been a lot different if Sir Thomas Nichols didn’t have a head shaped like a 50 pence piece. |
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Post by eastgas on Sept 5, 2021 9:35:50 GMT
I don’t have a problem with 3 at the back and the majority of teams will play this formation this season it seems the in thing. If done properly it can be very effective. I think atm we are looking weak in the wider areas because the players we are playing in the wingback positions were not brought to the club to play there. I’m hopeful that the return of Clarke and Rodman will sure up these positions defensively
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2021 9:40:13 GMT
I don’t have a problem with 3 at the back and the majority of teams will play this formation this season it seems the in thing. If done properly it can be very effective. I think atm we are looking weak in the wider areas because the players we are playing in the wingback positions were not brought to the club to play there. I’m hopeful that the return of Clarke and Rodman will sure up these positions defensively Thing is Rodman is injured around 50% of the time. And which Clarke do you mean ? |
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Post by poorblue on Sept 5, 2021 9:43:10 GMT
although we kept a clean sheet and taylor was best player on pitch i still think playing 3 at the back teams get down the side of us most of crawley chances were created down the left or right we need to find a way of becoming more compacted Yes I agree we are far to open in those areas. The game would have been a lot different if Sir Thomas Nichols didn’t have a head shaped like a 50 pence piece. It would also have been so very different if Sir Connor Taylor had scored with his header and Sir Harvey Saunders hadn't scuffed his shot after rounding the Crawley defender. Although the TV commentators will say "he doesn't miss those" when Messi and Ronaldo score, oh yes they do! |
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Post by keygas on Sept 5, 2021 9:47:50 GMT
I thought the main difference between the teams yesterday was the passing out of defence, most of Crawleys balls forward found their men whilst a lot of ours were a bit erratic.
I am sure that aspect of our game will improve with more time on the training ground & a settled side, can’t be easy when new players are being regularly introduced into the side at the moment.
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Post by alanrg on Sept 5, 2021 9:52:01 GMT
Trevor
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Post by Russgas on Sept 5, 2021 9:53:41 GMT
although we kept a clean sheet and taylor was best player on pitch i still think playing 3 at the back teams get down the side of us most of crawley chances were created down the left or right we need to find a way of becoming more compacted Totally agree with this as we saw yesterday it was happening time and time again. To play this system effectively you need two good pacy wingbacks who can get up and back, which we clearly do not have. But we have options now as we have both junior brown and clever Trevor two good full backs so hopefully we can switch to a back four and move Anderson up the pitch and let him do what he is good at which is attacking. |
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Post by eastgas on Sept 5, 2021 9:54:37 GMT
I don’t have a problem with 3 at the back and the majority of teams will play this formation this season it seems the in thing. If done properly it can be very effective. I think atm we are looking weak in the wider areas because the players we are playing in the wingback positions were not brought to the club to play there. I’m hopeful that the return of Clarke and Rodman will sure up these positions defensively Thing is Rodman is injured around 50% of the time. And which Clarke do you mean ? Trevor Clarke. That is the issue with Rodman, he injury record isn’t the best which is why I was surprised we didn’t add a defensive minded right wind back. Unless JB believes Anderson will be able to play that role and they believe with work they can add the defensive side to his game |
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Post by gillygas07 on Sept 5, 2021 9:58:43 GMT
We need to be set up right and be organised , people need to know their jobs down the flanks we seem to be playing with centre halfs as full backs or the wingers as wing backs ,we haven’t got conventional/regonised full backs which may be the problem .. it wasn’t working yesterday we were caught out of position to many times in these areas and badly exposed ..perhaps we need Hoole .. Trevor Clarke etc back etc to have more balance and shape.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 10:02:05 GMT
Fine playing a 3 at the back, if we have players that are conducive and it's an effective tactic.
But we definitely need a credible alternative.
I didn't think it worked yesterday when Anderton came on for Nicholson (wtf!?) ...And Alfie is not a brilliant flank operator.
JAB has to be quicker and more pro active in reverting to a back 4 when the 3 goes wrong or gets overrun.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 5, 2021 10:05:21 GMT
Thing is Rodman is injured around 50% of the time. And which Clarke do you mean ? Trevor Clarke. That is the issue with Rodman, he injury record isn’t the best which is why I was surprised we didn’t add a defensive minded right wind back. Unless JB believes Anderson will be able to play that role and they believe with work they can add the defensive side to his game I know we've only seen Trev very briefly but I think he will do well for us if he can keep fit. |
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Post by eastgas on Sept 5, 2021 10:10:59 GMT
Trevor Clarke. That is the issue with Rodman, he injury record isn’t the best which is why I was surprised we didn’t add a defensive minded right wind back. Unless JB believes Anderson will be able to play that role and they believe with work they can add the defensive side to his game I know we've only seen Trev very briefly but I think he will do well for us if he can keep fit. Yes I feel the same. Only a limited amount of minutes so far but has played effectively in that position higher up the pyramid |
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 5, 2021 10:21:46 GMT
One of the reasons a back three worked so well for us under Coughlan is because in front of them they were often well protected by Ollie Clarke and/or Abu Ogogo; the job of protecting this defence falls to Josh Grant, who IMO is neither tough tackling nor tenacious enough to do this role as effectively as players such as the aforementioned.
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 5, 2021 10:46:23 GMT
One of the reasons a back three worked so well for us under Coughlan is because in front of them they were often well protected by Ollie Clarke and/or Abu Ogogo; the job of protecting this defence falls to Josh Grant, who IMO is neither tough tackling nor tenacious enough to do this role as effectively as players such as the aforementioned. We were very attritional under GC who favoured a 3-5-2 Barton seems to want to play a 3-4-3 (or 3-4-2-1) which favours teams on the front foot Over time we will need to settle the midfield but didn’t JB recently say Grants favourite position was in defence? Coutts for me is the player I’m hoping to see show some class. Him/ Whelan alongside Finlay should be good enough When all are fit I’d say our strongest line up will look something like BELSHAW/ANSII KILGOUR/HOOLE HUGHES/TAYLOR HARRIES/ANDERTON RODMAN/ANDERSON COUTTS/WHELAN FINLAY/GRANT T CLARKE/EVANS/BROWN THOMAS/SAUNDERS NICHOLSON/COLLINS PITMAN/CLARKE it’s all about getting the balance right, and we will see plenty of rotation especially in midfield and the front 3 My only real concern in the squad make up would be down our right side. Teams will target this and hopefully Rodman can play a big part this campaign Going to difficult for players such as Hargreaves, Mehew, Tomlinson, Walker, Phillips, Hulbert…… but worth getting them out on loan if possible? UTG |
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 5, 2021 10:51:06 GMT
One of the reasons a back three worked so well for us under Coughlan is because in front of them they were often well protected by Ollie Clarke and/or Abu Ogogo; the job of protecting this defence falls to Josh Grant, who IMO is neither tough tackling nor tenacious enough to do this role as effectively as players such as the aforementioned. coutts or Whelan will soon be there alongide finley. Grant will have to fight with several centre halves to get a fixed position. With harries and kilgour back in the picture it will be a challenge for him. |
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 5, 2021 10:53:08 GMT
The ideal of a back three is that they are players with the confidence to bring the ball out and the ability to pass a ball accurately to wide players/midfield players with the odd 60 yard pass. We are struggling to get that balance right as in truth neither Kilgour or Harries are particularly good when in the wide areas. Because of this our wing backs are not able to do the attacking side of their roles which both are more able at but are having to concentrate more on covering up the inefficiencies of the centre backs. The gelling of this system is something that will take time with getting the midfield and wing backs involved quicker. The Kilgour/Taylor/Harries three may still not be right and maybe Hughes and Anderton may still prove to be the better combination with Taylor. I tend to agree with JB that Grant is more comfortable in the back 3 than in the midfield and maybe this will be the long term plan.
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2021 11:02:38 GMT
One of the reasons a back three worked so well for us under Coughlan is because in front of them they were often well protected by Ollie Clarke and/or Abu Ogogo; the job of protecting this defence falls to Josh Grant, who IMO is neither tough tackling nor tenacious enough to do this role as effectively as players such as the aforementioned. I agree and to be honest I don’t rate Grant at all so far , doesn’t get involved enough for a central midfielder, he’s only had the odd good game in over a year with us but most of the time he’s below average , his best game for us was v Peterborough last season when he had Ogogo alongside him they were both excellent that night. He’s young which means he’s got time on his side but I don’t think he’ll ever be a midfield anchor man. |
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Post by yetigas on Sept 5, 2021 11:08:04 GMT
And where will Martinez fit when he is fit? Was one of our better performers last season.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 5, 2021 11:13:25 GMT
We don’t really have wing backs, I suppose Clarke and Brown are, but aren’t available yet, so we are playing out and out wingers, which is fine if you are on the front foot and play a high line except we don’t and it’s leaving us vunerable.
I thought we were much better able to cope with the younger pace of Kilgour and Taylor though in the back line.
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