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Post by mftc on Mar 6, 2022 19:29:06 GMT
I would say Shaq Hunter was the best youth player I ever saw at Rovers.
Apparently his agent got it into his head he would be a premier star. The old adage is true though - hard work will beat talent, if talent doesn't work hard.
Didn't want to put in the hard yards in training, fell out with McGhee, didnt want to get injured and last I heard even Bath and the Mighty Mangoes didn't want him as too much of a liability.
I did expect him to pop up on an FA cup highlights package dancing around a league full back time and time again and showing something of what we all missed out on.
It's a good story to tell the youth team, to make sure they put in the effort.
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Post by southbristolgas on Mar 6, 2022 23:58:57 GMT
I would say Shaq Hunter was the best youth player I ever saw at Rovers. Apparently his agent got it into his head he would be a premier star. The old adage is true though - hard work will beat talent, if talent doesn't work hard. Didn't want to put in the hard yards in training, fell out with McGhee, didnt want to get injured and last I heard even Bath and the Mighty Mangoes didn't want him as too much of a liability. I did expect him to pop up on an FA cup highlights package dancing around a league full back time and time again and showing something of what we all missed out on. It's a good story to tell the youth team, to make sure they put in the effort. To be fair to him when it comes to hard work he went to university and came out with a masters in business and he also owns a Drinks company www.sipshack.com/ which is in 400 stores. Done well for someone who’s only 26 away from football.
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 1:17:16 GMT
pirate you seem to be the go to man when it comes to talent spotting and such, do you think we have any, right now, that look promising enough to get to the point of knocking on the first team doors ? The closest at the moment probably Ollie Hulbert and Jamie Egan who are both enjoying successful loan spells away from the club. Will be interesting to see how their games have developed and if they are given an opportunity in pre-season hopefully can impress.
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Post by mftc on Mar 26, 2022 20:28:56 GMT
Tomlinson scored again for Manse's Glos City but Ben Liddle sent off for QotS.
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Post by slimbridgegas on Mar 27, 2022 10:36:17 GMT
Not interested for our team now, as both are long gone - I’ve watched Tomlinson at GC and ineffective is the word in most cases
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Post by mftc on Mar 27, 2022 10:59:09 GMT
Some players develop (or get the light bulb moment that they are wasting their talent) at a later age than others.
Not sure what level the likes of Finley, Anderton etc were at, at age 20 but in the past we have got rid of players too soon - Mings, Barnes, Zamora, even Aaron Collins.
Let's face it, they are not on great wages. I would hope that the club are taking some sort of interest in the younger players development.
Joey has said that he doesn't have time to look at them, as he concentrates on the first team and his family, but within the club they are being watched.
Luca Hoole is a great example. By all accounts he was not doing anything special on loan at Taunton and many were surprised that Garner gave him another contract.
If it wasn't for injuries, Joey wouldn't have played him in pre season and he would probably now have a loss of confidence, together with the stress of knowing his career is in the balance and sent on loan to team at the bottom of conference south with little connection with the club.
Luck pays a huge part.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 27, 2022 20:38:30 GMT
Kieran Phillips continues good form for Swindon Supermarine yesterday
Took a great goal for the first in a 3-0 victory against in form Yate Town yesterday smashing into the side netting across the keeper , then set up the next two with a great pass down the channel and finally a left foot assist through the box onto the head of Henry Spaulding for his brace
Completed his day with MoM on twitter with 53% of the vote
14 goals from 24 games
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 28, 2022 6:24:16 GMT
Some players develop (or get the light bulb moment that they are wasting their talent) at a later age than others. Not sure what level the likes of Finley, Anderton etc were at, at age 20 but in the past we have got rid of players too soon - Mings, Barnes, Zamora, even Aaron Collins. Let's face it, they are not on great wages. I would hope that the club are taking some sort of interest in the younger players development. Joey has said that he doesn't have time to look at them, as he concentrates on the first team and his family, but within the club they are being watched. Luca Hoole is a great example. By all accounts he was not doing anything special on loan at Taunton and many were surprised that Garner gave him another contract. If it wasn't for injuries, Joey wouldn't have played him in pre season and he would probably now have a loss of confidence, together with the stress of knowing his career is in the balance and sent on loan to team at the bottom of conference south with little connection with the club. Luck pays a huge part. I was talking to Tom G a few weeks back about the youngsters and at what point do we think they are good enough when we won’t have many reserve team fixtures and the U23 set up doesn’t work, not just for us but many clubs outside of the PL. The problem he said is that sending a player on loan can be difficult because you can lose control of the player, the club may have taken the player and the manager isn’t keen or doesn’t play him and that’s happened several times to us. In that situation the player is better staying and training with us. He said he wants to forge more professional links with non league clubs where we provide data on the players of the loan club, based on how their manager sets up tactics, who’s in their team etc and then be able to say, these are you weak links, this is the data on the players currently played in those positions and this is why our youngster can improve you. Take him and play him. That data will still be collected on our player and their team to measure the performance and determine whether our player is improving, has what it takes to go higher etc.
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Post by gasify on Mar 28, 2022 6:36:30 GMT
Some players develop (or get the light bulb moment that they are wasting their talent) at a later age than others. Not sure what level the likes of Finley, Anderton etc were at, at age 20 but in the past we have got rid of players too soon - Mings, Barnes, Zamora, even Aaron Collins. Let's face it, they are not on great wages. I would hope that the club are taking some sort of interest in the younger players development. Joey has said that he doesn't have time to look at them, as he concentrates on the first team and his family, but within the club they are being watched. Luca Hoole is a great example. By all accounts he was not doing anything special on loan at Taunton and many were surprised that Garner gave him another contract. If it wasn't for injuries, Joey wouldn't have played him in pre season and he would probably now have a loss of confidence, together with the stress of knowing his career is in the balance and sent on loan to team at the bottom of conference south with little connection with the club. Luck pays a huge part. I was talking to Tom G a few weeks back about the youngsters and at what point do we think they are good enough when we won’t have many reserve team fixtures and the U23 set up doesn’t work, not just for us but many clubs outside of the PL. The problem he said is that sending a player on loan can be difficult because you can lose control of the player, the club may have taken the player and the manager isn’t keen or doesn’t play him and that’s happened several times to us. In that situation the player is better staying and training with us. He said he wants to forge more professional links with non league clubs where we provide data on the players of the loan club, based on how their manager sets up tactics, who’s in their team etc and then be able to say, these are you weak links, this is the data on the players currently played in those positions and this is why our youngster can improve you. Take him and play him. That data will still be collected on our player and their team to measure the performance and determine whether our player is improving, has what it takes to go higher etc. Or, we could just play them in our first team rather than make other clubs players better. I am a firm believer in if they are good enough then they are good enough.
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Post by albaron on Mar 28, 2022 9:07:02 GMT
I was talking to Tom G a few weeks back about the youngsters and at what point do we think they are good enough when we won’t have many reserve team fixtures and the U23 set up doesn’t work, not just for us but many clubs outside of the PL. The problem he said is that sending a player on loan can be difficult because you can lose control of the player, the club may have taken the player and the manager isn’t keen or doesn’t play him and that’s happened several times to us. In that situation the player is better staying and training with us. He said he wants to forge more professional links with non league clubs where we provide data on the players of the loan club, based on how their manager sets up tactics, who’s in their team etc and then be able to say, these are you weak links, this is the data on the players currently played in those positions and this is why our youngster can improve you. Take him and play him. That data will still be collected on our player and their team to measure the performance and determine whether our player is improving, has what it takes to go higher etc. Or, we could just play them in our first team rather than make other clubs players better. I am a firm believer in if they are good enough then they are good enough. Agreed -- But if they are not good enough or don't merit a start at this particular time . Then that is why we loan them out to gain experiance and hopefully get better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 17:07:10 GMT
Unfortunately it is all a load of bo””*^ks. My experience tells me the decision making is just a flip of a coin as most of the academy staff are unfortunately not good enough.
This then filters to the players, making a good prospect go backwards. Hence I guess the mutual consent thing with CH, and to be fair JH before him.
It’s a shame but there is just no money to run a proper fit for purpose academy for all of the kids involved. Which is why I’m convinced we either have to do a Brentford and others, or plough millions into the project and do it right, cannot continue to do a half hearted job.
The FA matches funds earmarked by all clubs for cat 3 academy’s to a limit which I think it is 250k but I am probably wrong with that number. It’s the only reason that I can think of that we keep just “playing at it” And only be the reason that we are not producing players in all positions on the pitch and not just Defenders.
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Post by Quarters on Mar 28, 2022 19:55:34 GMT
How many academy players have been sold, think was two to Villa? Suggests we have produced some good players recently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 1:18:07 GMT
Am hoping the academy takes a step forward soon. We have one of the worst setups in the region currently. Hopefully the powers that be have noticed this and will finally do something about it. Look at what city produce every season. We are light years behind despite being in the same city
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 29, 2022 8:29:13 GMT
Unfortunately it is all a load of bo””*^ks. My experience tells me the decision making is just a flip of a coin as most of the academy staff are unfortunately not good enough. This then filters to the players, making a good prospect go backwards. Hence I guess the mutual consent thing with CH, and to be fair JH before him. It’s a shame but there is just no money to run a proper fit for purpose academy for all of the kids involved. Which is why I’m convinced we either have to do a Brentford and others, or plough millions into the project and do it right, cannot continue to do a half hearted job. The FA matches funds earmarked by all clubs for cat 3 academy’s to a limit which I think it is 250k but I am probably wrong with that number. It’s the only reason that I can think of that we keep just “playing at it” And only be the reason that we are not producing players in all positions on the pitch and not just Defenders. I dont think that is correct. Tom Parinello, Lee Mansell and Chris Hargreaves have coached and trained some excellent talent, players like Hoole and Kilgour are in our first team, some players have gone to Premier league academies. Now we have the Lord Byron in there and Brian Dutton to maintain and build upon what CH was doing. However its pointless building an academy when the first team is a shambles, which is what it was under BG and PT. Barton has had to reset and rebuild that and put his energy into getting us promoted. The time for building academies is when we are a comfortable L1 side again and ideally you want to do that at your own training ground. Anything else is simply running before we can walk. When you look at the training ground and the space around it then there is so much room for development it can easily house an academy. In fact I would probably say we could build a bespoke facility for the first team and then move the academy into the existing facility.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 12:50:26 GMT
Unfortunately it is all a load of bo””*^ks. My experience tells me the decision making is just a flip of a coin as most of the academy staff are unfortunately not good enough. This then filters to the players, making a good prospect go backwards. Hence I guess the mutual consent thing with CH, and to be fair JH before him. It’s a shame but there is just no money to run a proper fit for purpose academy for all of the kids involved. Which is why I’m convinced we either have to do a Brentford and others, or plough millions into the project and do it right, cannot continue to do a half hearted job. The FA matches funds earmarked by all clubs for cat 3 academy’s to a limit which I think it is 250k but I am probably wrong with that number. It’s the only reason that I can think of that we keep just “playing at it” And only be the reason that we are not producing players in all positions on the pitch and not just Defenders. I dont think that is correct. Tom Parinello, Lee Mansell and Chris Hargreaves have coached and trained some excellent talent, players like Hoole and Kilgour are in our first team, some players have gone to Premier league academies. Now we have the Lord Byron in there and Brian Dutton to maintain and build upon what CH was doing. However its pointless building an academy when the first team is a shambles, which is what it was under BG and PT. Barton has had to reset and rebuild that and put his energy into getting us promoted. The time for building academies is when we are a comfortable L1 side again and ideally you want to do that at your own training ground. Anything else is simply running before we can walk. When you look at the training ground and the space around it then there is so much room for development it can easily house an academy. In fact I would probably say we could build a bespoke facility for the first team and then move the academy into the existing facility. Got to agree with you. The plan was for the quarters to house the whole club from u7 to first team. I was at the presentation with the rest of the parents. That was when we were in league one. The coaches TP and LM great guys to be fair but no longer with the club which tells its own story. Hargreaves and Henderson in my view weren’t good enough, which is why they have both gone. Part time coaches on next to nothing, tells you all you need to know about the quality of the coaching at all the levels. Lost all the right people and unfortunately are left with all the wrong people in my opinion. The 2 players that went to Villa are as a result of Alex Hinders connection. I was trying to make the point that we either do it properly or don’t waste the expense, unless it’s the FA funds that we are doing it for. But I can’t see much sense in that if we have to match it anyway. There is plenty of talent in and around the gas catchment area. It’s just in my opinion that we are just not nurturing it properly. Something it looks like is now hitting home at the boardrooms door.
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Post by gasyouthwatch on Sept 19, 2022 14:05:54 GMT
Jed Ward at Hungerford until the end of the season now. Didn’t play this week end I can only assume as not risking him to being Cup tied in the FA cup but has been doing well. Harvey Greenslade at Chippenham town made his home Debut and first start, playing 90 mins and scoring in a good performance. I believe he’s there until January.
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Post by gasyouthwatch on Sept 26, 2022 12:36:03 GMT
Ryan Jones Has now Joined Jed ward at Hungerford town on a 1 Month Loan, Sam Heal has gone to North Leigh FC in the southern Prem on a 1 month Deal also. Good Luck lads good to see them hopefully play some minutes, while the old gaurd making a good fist of losing every game!
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Post by eric on Sept 26, 2022 12:42:22 GMT
Ryan Jones Has now Joined Jed ward at Hungerford town on a 1 Month Loan, Sam Heal has gone to North Leigh FC in the southern Prem on a 1 month Deal also. Good Luck lads good to see them hopefully play some minutes, while the old gaurd making a good fist of losing every game! Our youngsters are nowhere near good enough for league one. All the best talent in the city goes to our rivals. Why is it when any go out on loan it’s several levels down the pyramid and when they do eventually leave the club none ever seem to get to conference let along the EFL.
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Post by gasyouthwatch on Sept 26, 2022 12:59:41 GMT
Ryan Jones Has now Joined Jed ward at Hungerford town on a 1 Month Loan, Sam Heal has gone to North Leigh FC in the southern Prem on a 1 month Deal also. Good Luck lads good to see them hopefully play some minutes, while the old gaurd making a good fist of losing every game! Our youngsters are nowhere near good enough for league one. All the best talent in the city goes to our rivals. Why is it when any go out on loan it’s several levels down the pyramid and when they do eventually leave the club none ever seem to get to conference let along the EFL. A few things on that, how do we know they are not good enough? not given a chance Alex Scott was not all that in under 18's many couldn't believe at City he was offered a pro deal but then given a chance and showed he could do it! Same as Tommy Connway, didn't pull up any trees at 18 at yate Town scored 2 in 12 Games, and at 19 scored 4 in 19 at Bath. Harvey Greenslade has had 1 Goal 1 assist in first 2 Games at Chippenham But City Give these lads a chance and it raises them! At 16's and 18's Rovers used to get the better of our rivals and when we beat them in the severnside cup at the Mem haven't played us since! And to say they are not good enough When we have such superstars as Marquis who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo and Loft is about as technically gifted as a house brick is a laughable statement as they are given chances week after week and makes our club a laughing stock. Like i said before, in and earlier meesage our first 11 couldn't beat our 23's side at the start of the season, when chucking on 3 16 year olds at the end...And Jones and Greenslade in that match even stood out (although not hard) and thats with them being played out of position so who is good enough??
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Post by eric on Sept 26, 2022 14:04:57 GMT
Our youngsters are nowhere near good enough for league one. All the best talent in the city goes to our rivals. Why is it when any go out on loan it’s several levels down the pyramid and when they do eventually leave the club none ever seem to get to conference let along the EFL. A few things on that, how do we know they are not good enough? not given a chance Alex Scott was not all that in under 18's many couldn't believe at City he was offered a pro deal but then given a chance and showed he could do it! Same as Tommy Connway, didn't pull up any trees at 18 at yate Town scored 2 in 12 Games, and at 19 scored 4 in 19 at Bath. Harvey Greenslade has had 1 Goal 1 assist in first 2 Games at Chippenham But City Give these lads a chance and it raises them! At 16's and 18's Rovers used to get the better of our rivals and when we beat them in the severnside cup at the Mem haven't played us since! And to say they are not good enough When we have such superstars as Marquis who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo and Loft is about as technically gifted as a house brick is a laughable statement as they are given chances week after week and makes our club a laughing stock. Like i said before, in and earlier meesage our first 11 couldn't beat our 23's side at the start of the season, when chucking on 3 16 year olds at the end...And Jones and Greenslade in that match even stood out (although not hard) and thats with them being played out of position so who is good enough?? If all this is true and we have so many great youngsters why is it that when they leave do we not see them reappear in the EFL? It’s always Chippenham, Gloucester standard. Surely if they were that good they’d get trials elsewhere and make it as pro’s. JB and his staff are not stupid, they see them day in day out. If any stood out and were considered likely to be far better than what we have then they’d get picked. If we had players of the quality of Stewart, Yates, Browning, Taylor coming through they’d get picked. If our cast offs are that good we can expect Chipppenham, Gloucester and Kings Lynn to be in the EFL within a couple of years. It seems the only argument for playing them is when we are on a bad run and “couldn’t do much worse” comments get thrown about. Just for clarity I’m as desperate as anyone for some top quality young talent to come through the ranks in to the first team but for some reason over the past 30 years the players in our system have been second rate.
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