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Post by gasandelectricity on May 11, 2022 21:10:49 GMT
I like looking back and reflecting on past posts and opinions. Things change, opinions changes but I do find it interesting. Obviously I am only speaking on behalf of myself. Lots of other forums have threads which get revived, it seems to be a bit of an obsession to restrict it on here, and we end up with loads of threads covering a small number of topics. If you post on money saving expert on ways to save money or the process for buying a mortgage it’s probably the same as it was 2 or 3 years ago. On a football forum things change. 3 years ago Westbrooke would have been considered a quality signing now you’d be lucky to get a league two club to get excited about him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 11, 2022 21:14:50 GMT
Lots of other forums have threads which get revived, it seems to be a bit of an obsession to restrict it on here, and we end up with loads of threads covering a small number of topics. If you post on money saving expert on ways to save money or the process for buying a mortgage it’s probably the same as it was 2 or 3 years ago. On a football forum things change. 3 years ago Westbrooke would have been considered a quality signing now you’d be lucky to get a league two club to get excited about him. Things don't always change that quickly in football though. I mean it must have been about 8 years ago now when Lee Johnson said City would be Europe in 5 years...
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Post by Jon the Stripe on May 11, 2022 21:15:36 GMT
I was always told the best motivation is when someone says “you can’t do it”
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Post by seanclevedongas on May 11, 2022 21:30:26 GMT
I like looking back and reflecting on past posts and opinions. Things change, opinions changes but I do find it interesting. Obviously I am only speaking on behalf of myself. Lots of other forums have threads which get revived, it seems to be a bit of an obsession to restrict it on here, and we end up with loads of threads covering a small number of topics.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 11, 2022 21:48:17 GMT
Lots of other forums have threads which get revived, it seems to be a bit of an obsession to restrict it on here, and we end up with loads of threads covering a small number of topics. If you post on money saving expert on ways to save money or the process for buying a mortgage it’s probably the same as it was 2 or 3 years ago. On a football forum things change. 3 years ago Westbrooke would have been considered a quality signing now you’d be lucky to get a league two club to get excited about him. I was referring to football forums. Westbrooke is actually good example of why it would be good to have all the posts on one thread. Chelsea only have one thread per player, and it works very well, less threads also means that things don't jump off of the first page so quickly.
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Post by warehamgas on May 11, 2022 21:49:38 GMT
Alternatively looking at the OP, JB did take a “long honest look at himself” and then.... Tweaked a few things Gave Coutts time to get up to speed Moved to a back 4 Developed a more consistent pattern of play Gave the payers time to get fit Then beat Walsall and Carlisle in the next 3 matches.
Just saying.
Come on, we all post b******* at times. It’s why we’re not managing BRFC, just talking about it.
ps. Before posting this I made sure I hadn’t said anything I might later regret in the earlier pages!! 😉
UTG!
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 12, 2022 4:49:05 GMT
Do we think the forum will have more patience next time we have a bad spell or a player who doesn't set the world alight after 3 games?(Coutts) Luckily for Coutts, he wont be playing in the first three games! Mind you, I am sure some of here will find a way to blame him if we have a poor start to the season! Talking of poor starts, when was the last season when we didn't have a poor start? I reckon its been many years since we ended September in the top half of the table!
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Post by baggins on May 12, 2022 5:08:10 GMT
Lots of other forums have threads which get revived, it seems to be a bit of an obsession to restrict it on here, and we end up with loads of threads covering a small number of topics. Tune.
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Post by blueblood1883 on May 12, 2022 5:38:52 GMT
If you post on money saving expert on ways to save money or the process for buying a mortgage it’s probably the same as it was 2 or 3 years ago. On a football forum things change. 3 years ago Westbrooke would have been considered a quality signing now you’d be lucky to get a league two club to get excited about him. Things don't always change that quickly in football though. I mean it must have been about 8 years ago now when Lee Johnson said City would be Europe in 5 years... I think I can help you there...
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Post by warehamgas on May 12, 2022 6:56:37 GMT
Do we think the forum will have more patience next time we have a bad spell or a player who doesn't set the world alight after 3 games?(Coutts) Luckily for Coutts, he wont be playing in the first three games! Mind you, I am sure some of here will find a way to blame him if we have a poor start to the season! Talking of poor starts, when was the last season when we didn't have a poor start? I reckon its been many years since we ended September in the top half of the table! Very true. We have now won promotion on the last 3 seasons we’ve been in League 2. I don’t know why I hate League 2 but I still do! 🤔 06-07. Started poorly, poor Autumn, mediocre Winter, fantastic Spring. 15-16. Started poorly, poor Autumn, medium Winter, great Spring. 21-22. Started very poorly, poor Autumn, medium Winter, fantastic Spring. Pattern emerging from those 3 almost identical seasons. UTG!
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 12, 2022 7:30:01 GMT
Based on the evidence at the time folk can be forgiven for coming to their posted conclusions. I think even those like myself who desperately wanted JB to prove every one wrong were beginning to have doubts at this stage. When you look back though, JB said many controversial things which ruffled a few feathers, it seemed to some that he was trying to deflect blame .I think we can now all see that he was right in many of the things he said, scouting, recruitment, and the general ambience around the club, Wael seems to have taken it on board and is now being repaid for his good sense! An example of this is the recruitment under TW which most of us thought was exciting, events since have proved how flawed it was, Max being a prime example. JB also called out previous managers and i think he may have been wrong about BG who was the unfortunate recipient of that flawed recruitment. Think BG has done a brilliant job in taking a basket case of a club to the play offs and proving that there is a good manager in there imho. In conclusion i am so happy for JB and Rovers, and whereas i don't feel any apologies are required by the original posters ,(they posted based on the evidence at the time) perhaps a raising of a glass and 'I take my hat off to you JB' would be appropriate!
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Post by percy on May 12, 2022 8:02:19 GMT
Based on the evidence at the time folk can be forgiven for coming to their posted conclusions. I think even those like myself who desperately wanted JB to prove every one wrong were beginning to have doubts at this stage. When you look back though, JB said many controversial things which ruffled a few feathers, it seemed to some that he was trying to deflect blame .I think we can now all see that he was right in many of the things he said, scouting, recruitment, and the general ambience around the club, Wael seems to have taken it on board and is now being repaid for his good sense! An example of this is the recruitment under TW which most of us thought was exciting, events since have proved how flawed it was, Max being a prime example. JB also called out previous managers and i think he may have been wrong about BG who was the unfortunate recipient of that flawed recruitment. Think BG has done a brilliant job in taking a basket case of a club to the play offs and proving that there is a good manager in there imho. In conclusion i am so happy for JB and Rovers, and whereas i don't feel any apologies are required by the original posters ,(they posted based on the evidence at the time) perhaps a raising of a glass and 'I take my hat off to you JB' would be appropriate! Think this is very fair. After Orient and other poor home games i was def in the JB out camp. I liked the look of a lot of the players, but we had no game plan or style. Credit for turning it around. He got some luck with landing on the right formation almost against his will but whatever, it worked and he will have credit for that. Dont regret asking him to do the right thing and walk away. I was "proved wrong" but thats football! He now has some credit in the bank next time we are struggling. (off field antics aside)
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Post by SleepyGas on May 12, 2022 8:41:38 GMT
Based on the evidence at the time folk can be forgiven for coming to their posted conclusions. I think even those like myself who desperately wanted JB to prove every one wrong were beginning to have doubts at this stage. When you look back though, JB said many controversial things which ruffled a few feathers, it seemed to some that he was trying to deflect blame .I think we can now all see that he was right in many of the things he said, scouting, recruitment, and the general ambience around the club, Wael seems to have taken it on board and is now being repaid for his good sense! An example of this is the recruitment under TW which most of us thought was exciting, events since have proved how flawed it was, Max being a prime example. JB also called out previous managers and i think he may have been wrong about BG who was the unfortunate recipient of that flawed recruitment. Think BG has done a brilliant job in taking a basket case of a club to the play offs and proving that there is a good manager in there imho. In conclusion i am so happy for JB and Rovers, and whereas i don't feel any apologies are required by the original posters ,(they posted based on the evidence at the time) perhaps a raising of a glass and 'I take my hat off to you JB' would be appropriate! I very much enjoyed the last GasCast episode where a historic tweet was read to one of the presenters where he was calling for JB to go back in Christmas. He was pressed to apologise for it and said " if you can’t call for your manager's head after being relegated bottom of the league ten points from safety, then find yourself 17th at Christmas with Brett Pitman leading a high press in a 3-4-3 then when can you?" No need to apologise for having an evidence-based opinion. It is also worth noting that a lot of the negativity to Barton from our fanbase was not necessarily rooted around the footballing side of his involvement with the club. Something which probably won't have changed just by us playing well and being successful on the pitch...
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Post by socrates on May 12, 2022 8:49:09 GMT
Do we think the forum will have more patience next time we have a bad spell or a player who doesn't set the world alight after 3 games?(Coutts) Luckily for Coutts, he wont be playing in the first three games! Mind you, I am sure some of here will find a way to blame him if we have a poor start to the season! Talking of poor starts, when was the last season when we didn't have a poor start? I reckon its been many years since we ended September in the top half of the table! I think we had a decent start in league 1 after our back to back promotions , dunno if that was the last time?
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Post by SleepyGas on May 12, 2022 8:50:57 GMT
Luckily for Coutts, he wont be playing in the first three games! Mind you, I am sure some of here will find a way to blame him if we have a poor start to the season! Talking of poor starts, when was the last season when we didn't have a poor start? I reckon its been many years since we ended September in the top half of the table! I think we had a decent start in league 1 after our back to back promotions , dunno if that was the last time? I can only remember our first game back in League 1 was a 3-1 loss up at Scunny. Matty Taylor with our goal. Obviously we must have picked up from there as we were looking like we were chasing the play-off pack and in some good form before MT was snapped up at the end of Jan with no replacement brought in
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Post by dudelebowski on May 12, 2022 9:12:13 GMT
I think we had a decent start in league 1 after our back to back promotions , dunno if that was the last time? I can only remember our first game back in League 1 was a 3-1 loss up at Scunny. Matty Taylor with our goal. Obviously we must have picked up from there as we were looking like we were chasing the play-off pack and in some good form before MT was snapped up at the end of Jan with no replacement brought in Our home form was superb, would’ve stormed the play offs first time of asking if not for some shocking away performances to very poor sides. Chesterfield always sticks in the mind most for some reason.
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Post by gashead79 on May 12, 2022 9:21:57 GMT
Based on the evidence at the time folk can be forgiven for coming to their posted conclusions. I think even those like myself who desperately wanted JB to prove every one wrong were beginning to have doubts at this stage. When you look back though, JB said many controversial things which ruffled a few feathers, it seemed to some that he was trying to deflect blame .I think we can now all see that he was right in many of the things he said, scouting, recruitment, and the general ambience around the club, Wael seems to have taken it on board and is now being repaid for his good sense! An example of this is the recruitment under TW which most of us thought was exciting, events since have proved how flawed it was, Max being a prime example. JB also called out previous managers and i think he may have been wrong about BG who was the unfortunate recipient of that flawed recruitment. Think BG has done a brilliant job in taking a basket case of a club to the play offs and proving that there is a good manager in there imho. In conclusion i am so happy for JB and Rovers, and whereas i don't feel any apologies are required by the original posters ,(they posted based on the evidence at the time) perhaps a raising of a glass and 'I take my hat off to you JB' would be appropriate! I very much enjoyed the last GasCast episode where a historic tweet was read to one of the presenters where he was calling for JB to go back in Christmas. He was pressed to apologise for it and said " if you can’t call for your manager's head after being relegated bottom of the league ten points from safety, then find yourself 17th at Christmas with Brett Pitman leading a high press in a 3-4-3 then when can you?" No need to apologise for having an evidence-based opinion. It is also worth noting that a lot of the negativity to Barton from our fanbase was not necessarily rooted around the footballing side of his involvement with the club. Something which probably won't have changed just by us playing well and being successful on the pitch... Your last point. There will no doubt be people who still feel uncomfortable with JBs track record and recent negative press. What we have seen though is that playing well and winning games does change the general negativity around JB. We have sold out matches in succession. The whole stadium has been cheering his name. Thousands of away fans have been repeatedly singing his song. National media have been giving him positive reviews. The negative stuff has been buried, and is only held by those few who are by the way, perfectly entitled and justified in their opinions. Most if not all of the negativity was enhanced by the football performances. The proof of that is clear as day and the fickleness is there, crystally clear. WRT apologies,that is up to individuals and there are obviously a few different personality types on these boards. It wouldn't make a difference really, but those who pin their thoughts to a public mast are there to be shot at when it turns out differently. People who hold their hands up generally get 'respect' but it's an anonymous forum so people can play as they wish without much comeback. I'd feel embarrassed if I'd written some of the sh1t on here, but that's me. I just hope our fanbase is a little more forward thinking next time we have a wobble. It won't be long.
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Post by Baxtinho on May 12, 2022 9:36:12 GMT
I very much enjoyed the last GasCast episode where a historic tweet was read to one of the presenters where he was calling for JB to go back in Christmas. He was pressed to apologise for it and said " if you can’t call for your manager's head after being relegated bottom of the league ten points from safety, then find yourself 17th at Christmas with Brett Pitman leading a high press in a 3-4-3 then when can you?" No need to apologise for having an evidence-based opinion. It is also worth noting that a lot of the negativity to Barton from our fanbase was not necessarily rooted around the footballing side of his involvement with the club. Something which probably won't have changed just by us playing well and being successful on the pitch... Your last point. There will no doubt be people who still feel uncomfortable with JBs track record and recent negative press. What we have seen though is that playing well and winning games does change the general negativity around JB. Conversely, there are some of us who won't forget why have formed our opinions on Barton the individual because we've won a few games. When people wanted him gone because of the results and his string of weird comments, that was separate from those who have never wanted him here. People were negative about Garner & Tisdale too, as Sleepy says - you're allowed to change an opinion when presented with new evidence. To say it's being fickle seems reductionist.
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Post by SleepyGas on May 12, 2022 9:43:34 GMT
I very much enjoyed the last GasCast episode where a historic tweet was read to one of the presenters where he was calling for JB to go back in Christmas. He was pressed to apologise for it and said " if you can’t call for your manager's head after being relegated bottom of the league ten points from safety, then find yourself 17th at Christmas with Brett Pitman leading a high press in a 3-4-3 then when can you?" No need to apologise for having an evidence-based opinion. It is also worth noting that a lot of the negativity to Barton from our fanbase was not necessarily rooted around the footballing side of his involvement with the club. Something which probably won't have changed just by us playing well and being successful on the pitch... Your last point. There will no doubt be people who still feel uncomfortable with JBs track record and recent negative press. What we have seen though is that playing well and winning games does change the general negativity around JB. Yes you're probably right actually. The desire to enjoy the Rovers experience and success would likely lead to some strong cognitive dissonence being employed on that front. Certainly in the short term. At least, one way or the other, things should be a lot clearer next season. The trial will come and go and we'll either still have JB or we won't. I'm not saying a "Not Guilty" decision will necessarily change everyone's opinion of him - but it will certainly help!
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 12, 2022 9:45:31 GMT
Luckily for Coutts, he wont be playing in the first three games! Mind you, I am sure some of here will find a way to blame him if we have a poor start to the season! Talking of poor starts, when was the last season when we didn't have a poor start? I reckon its been many years since we ended September in the top half of the table! I think we had a decent start in league 1 after our back to back promotions , dunno if that was the last time? Your right and probably the only season where we have an ok start in the last ten years or so. Mind you, even that season we still lost our first game!
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