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Post by eric on Nov 2, 2022 11:27:20 GMT
I don't understand your comment. What do you mean? To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! I’m guessing he meant if JB had done nothing at all and the accusation was false? Since none of us know exactly what happened it’s probably best not to second guess what occurred and how people should have responded. Personally, I’m just glad it’s all done and dusted although it should never have been taken to court and a cloud left hanging over heads for well over a year.
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Post by fintanstack on Nov 2, 2022 13:30:18 GMT
To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! I’m guessing he meant if JB had done nothing at all and the accusation was false? Since none of us know exactly what happened it’s probably best not to second guess what occurred and how people should have responded. Personally, I’m just glad it’s all done and dusted although it should never have been taken to court and a cloud left hanging over heads for well over a year. Why should it not have gone to court? It may appear that things have worked out well for the Bartons and I am happy if that is the case, but what if there had been a repeat/similar incident in the last twelve months? Plenty here would be saying "oh, but if they had only charged him the first time". Something happened, the CPS brought a very weak case in the absence of Mrs Bartons cooperation and Mr Barton moves on, as must we. But pretending this whole situation did not happen is silly. You are correct when you say it is best not to second guess what occurred. That goes for guilt as well as innocence though. Surely you can understand that?
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Post by baggins on Nov 2, 2022 13:45:23 GMT
I’m guessing he meant if JB had done nothing at all and the accusation was false? Since none of us know exactly what happened it’s probably best not to second guess what occurred and how people should have responded. Personally, I’m just glad it’s all done and dusted although it should never have been taken to court and a cloud left hanging over heads for well over a year. Why should it not have gone to court? It may appear that things have worked out well for the Bartons and I am happy if that is the case, but what if there had been a repeat/similar incident in the last twelve months? Plenty here would be saying "oh, but if they had only charged him the first time". Something happened, the CPS brought a very weak case in the absence of Mrs Bartons cooperation and Mr Barton moves on, as must we. But pretending this whole situation did not happen is silly. You are correct when you say it is best not to second guess what occurred. That goes for guilt as well as innocence though. Surely you can understand that? It's over.
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Post by eric on Nov 2, 2022 14:55:28 GMT
I’m guessing he meant if JB had done nothing at all and the accusation was false? Since none of us know exactly what happened it’s probably best not to second guess what occurred and how people should have responded. Personally, I’m just glad it’s all done and dusted although it should never have been taken to court and a cloud left hanging over heads for well over a year. Why should it not have gone to court? It may appear that things have worked out well for the Bartons and I am happy if that is the case, but what if there had been a repeat/similar incident in the last twelve months? Plenty here would be saying "oh, but if they had only charged him the first time". Something happened, the CPS brought a very weak case in the absence of Mrs Bartons cooperation and Mr Barton moves on, as must we. But pretending this whole situation did not happen is silly. You are correct when you say it is best not to second guess what occurred. That goes for guilt as well as innocence though. Surely you can understand that? The CPS pursued what I think was classed a victimless prosecution which was doomed to fail and was completely against what the CPS were advocating as policy at that particular time. They were keen to proceed because it was a celebrity and there was wide media and political pressure at that time to pursue such crimes. JB was just a pawn in that game. As I mentioned on one of the other numerous threads on this subject there was an interesting case on one of those fly on the wall police documentary programmes. In the same summer of JB’s incident there was cctv footage of a chap with numerous domestic violence convictions punching his girlfriend to the floor in the middle of the street and then kicking her in the head knocking her unconscious. The police arrived on the scene and arrested him, after coming round the girl was adamant she would not make a statement. The police wanted to proceed as there was possibly the best evidence ever (video footage) and what you would presume should have been a nailed on conviction. The detective was devastated when after speaking to the CPS that they could proceed as his last domestic violence conviction wasn’t within the last 12 months. The CPS showed themselves to be as pathetic and cowardly as the attacker. That case clearly showed what should have been a nationwide policy was not being followed and the way JB was treated differently to the rest of the population was clearly politically motivated. When people throw out the line of “one rule for us and one rule for the rich and famous” they re right. The rich celebrity in JB’s case was treated differently to the man on the street.
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Post by It's a song on Nov 2, 2022 15:02:12 GMT
Can't wait for this thread to stop.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2022 15:46:13 GMT
I don't understand your comment. What do you mean? To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! But nobody really knows what happened?
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 2, 2022 15:51:17 GMT
The case was thrown out of court by the judge. The same should happen with this thread, throw it out because whatever your viewpoint, it won’t achieve anything.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 2, 2022 16:37:28 GMT
Surely it is time to move on. The fact is Joey has no case to answer. Why can't people on here keep their noses out of Joeys personal business. Get behind the manager and the team, which as supporters is our business. We need to expend our efforts supporting the club and cheering the team on towards 50 plus points. Utg
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Post by aghast on Nov 2, 2022 16:59:47 GMT
Surely it is time to move on. The fact is Joey has no case to answer. Why can't people on here keep their noses out of Joeys personal business. Get behind the manager and the team, which as supporters is our business. We need to expend our efforts supporting the club and cheering the team on towards 50 plus points. Utg If his personal business causes no harm to others, and he stays out of trouble, I'll be happy to see him lead us to unimaginable new heights. Fingers crossed, tightly.
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Post by gasify on Nov 2, 2022 17:56:22 GMT
I don't understand your comment. What do you mean? To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! Ah, I can see the confusion now. That isn't really what I am saying. There are only two options here: 1) JB committed domestic violence 2) GB lied to the police on the body cam Either one of these does't really show a healthy relationship between the two of them. It shows that one of the two has a temper and is prepared to do things that anyone in a healthy relationship wouldn't dream of (the only question is which one). A man in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person he loved either physically or psychologically A woman in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person she loved either physically or psychologically This suggests to me that their relationship is unhealthy. You may say to me that this is a personal thing that I shouldn't be concerned about. Maybe that is correct. However I do feel that this whole situation has brought our club into disrepute. Every time we lose, the sheds I know say "Poor Mrs Barton, she's gonna get a beating tonight". I know it's sick that they shouldn't make light of domestic abuse. JB and GB have given them this ammunition and quite frankly it is embarrassing. Domestic Violence around football is a very real thing. With Women's Aid trying their best to educate: www.womensaid.org.uk/what-we-do/football-united/How can we as a club and as fans support this campaign when we know that our manager or his wife have behaved in such a manner. I know that people are happy that JB is no longer facing a court battle. This whole circus has left a bad taste around our club and it was brought on by JB and GB.
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Post by gasify on Nov 2, 2022 18:00:01 GMT
Surely it is time to move on. The fact is Joey has no case to answer. Why can't people on here keep their noses out of Joeys personal business. Get behind the manager and the team, which as supporters is our business. We need to expend our efforts supporting the club and cheering the team on towards 50 plus points. Utg Unfortunately, it became our business as he is our manager. If he was at another club, I wouldn't give a toss.
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Post by dudelebowski on Nov 2, 2022 18:00:21 GMT
To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! Ah, I can see the confusion now. That isn't really what I am saying. There are only two options here: 1) JB committed domestic violence 2) GB lied to the police on the body cam Either one of these does't really show a healthy relationship between the two of them. It shows that one of the two has a temper and is prepared to do things that anyone in a healthy relationship wouldn't dream of (the only question is which one). A man in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person he loved either physically or psychologically A woman in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person she loved either physically or psychologically This suggests to me that their relationship is unhealthy. You may say to me that this is a personal thing that I shouldn't be concerned about. Maybe that is correct. However I do feel that this whole situation has brought our club into disrepute. Every time we lose, the sheds I know say "Poor Mrs Barton, she's gonna get a beating tonight". I know it's sick that they shouldn't make light of domestic abuse. JB and GB have given them this ammunition and quite frankly it is embarrassing. Domestic Violence around football is a very real thing. With Women's Aid trying their best to educate: www.womensaid.org.uk/what-we-do/football-united/How can we as a club and as fans support this campaign when we know that our manager or his wife have behaved in such a manner. I know that people are happy that JB is no longer facing a court battle. This whole circus has left a bad taste around our club and it was brought on by JB and GB. The sheedheads? They employed CONVICTED domestic abuser Danny Simpson. They have absolutely no say in these matters🤦🏻
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Post by justin blue on Nov 2, 2022 18:30:12 GMT
To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! Ah, I can see the confusion now. That isn't really what I am saying. There are only two options here: 1) JB committed domestic violence 2) GB lied to the police on the body cam Either one of these does't really show a healthy relationship between the two of them. It shows that one of the two has a temper and is prepared to do things that anyone in a healthy relationship wouldn't dream of (the only question is which one). A man in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person he loved either physically or psychologically A woman in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person she loved either physically or psychologically This suggests to me that their relationship is unhealthy. You may say to me that this is a personal thing that I shouldn't be concerned about. Maybe that is correct. However I do feel that this whole situation has brought our club into disrepute. Every time we lose, the sheds I know say "Poor Mrs Barton, she's gonna get a beating tonight". I know it's sick that they shouldn't make light of domestic abuse. JB and GB have given them this ammunition and quite frankly it is embarrassing. Domestic Violence around football is a very real thing. With Women's Aid trying their best to educate: www.womensaid.org.uk/what-we-do/football-united/How can we as a club and as fans support this campaign when we know that our manager or his wife have behaved in such a manner. I know that people are happy that JB is no longer facing a court battle. This whole circus has left a bad taste around our club and it was brought on by JB and GB. Do we really care what that lot say tbf sick as it is its only banter, don’t rise to it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2022 18:44:53 GMT
Surely it is time to move on. The fact is Joey has no case to answer. Why can't people on here keep their noses out of Joeys personal business. Get behind the manager and the team, which as supporters is our business. We need to expend our efforts supporting the club and cheering the team on towards 50 plus points. Utg Unfortunately, it became our business as he is our manager. If he was at another club, I wouldn't give a toss. Why are you still totally obsessed with this case, the judge has acquitted JB as there was no case to answer, perhaps you should follow his lead and just move on?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 2, 2022 19:39:22 GMT
To explain: If you beat your wife, you’d run a mile if she reported you to the police. If you are going to compare then presumably you keep all the circumstances because it looked like you blamed the wife (GB) for doing what anyone would hopefully do if they had been attacked. You were sounding like excusing what happened and making the responsibility hers. I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that. Im sure you can’t be compared to this situation (whatever) happened. That’s why I think it’s a very strange comment to make. DV is unacceptable in any circumstance. Surely. UTG! Ah, I can see the confusion now. That isn't really what I am saying. There are only two options here: 1) JB committed domestic violence 2) GB lied to the police on the body cam Either one of these does't really show a healthy relationship between the two of them. It shows that one of the two has a temper and is prepared to do things that anyone in a healthy relationship wouldn't dream of (the only question is which one). A man in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person he loved either physically or psychologically A woman in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person she loved either physically or psychologically This suggests to me that their relationship is unhealthy. You may say to me that this is a personal thing that I shouldn't be concerned about. Maybe that is correct. However I do feel that this whole situation has brought our club into disrepute. Every time we lose, the sheds I know say "Poor Mrs Barton, she's gonna get a beating tonight". I know it's sick that they shouldn't make light of domestic abuse. JB and GB have given them this ammunition and quite frankly it is embarrassing. Domestic Violence around football is a very real thing. With Women's Aid trying their best to educate: www.womensaid.org.uk/what-we-do/football-united/How can we as a club and as fans support this campaign when we know that our manager or his wife have behaved in such a manner. I know that people are happy that JB is no longer facing a court battle. This whole circus has left a bad taste around our club and it was brought on by JB and GB. I think that the unhealthy factor in their relationship was alcohol. JB now abstains as far as I know, I would imagine that it's virtually the same for Mrs B, having recently been pregnant. People often behave very differently when they have consumed a large amount of alcohol, none of us were there that evening, so we don't know how things played out. On a different note, I think it would be nice if the club focussed on facilities for disabled fans, they seem to have become the poor relations now that the main focus is on gender and race (both of which are important, but it shouldn't be at the expense of another vulnerable group)
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Post by gasify on Nov 2, 2022 19:44:34 GMT
Ah, I can see the confusion now. That isn't really what I am saying. There are only two options here: 1) JB committed domestic violence 2) GB lied to the police on the body cam Either one of these does't really show a healthy relationship between the two of them. It shows that one of the two has a temper and is prepared to do things that anyone in a healthy relationship wouldn't dream of (the only question is which one). A man in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person he loved either physically or psychologically A woman in a healthy relationship wouldn't harm the person she loved either physically or psychologically This suggests to me that their relationship is unhealthy. You may say to me that this is a personal thing that I shouldn't be concerned about. Maybe that is correct. However I do feel that this whole situation has brought our club into disrepute. Every time we lose, the sheds I know say "Poor Mrs Barton, she's gonna get a beating tonight". I know it's sick that they shouldn't make light of domestic abuse. JB and GB have given them this ammunition and quite frankly it is embarrassing. Domestic Violence around football is a very real thing. With Women's Aid trying their best to educate: www.womensaid.org.uk/what-we-do/football-united/How can we as a club and as fans support this campaign when we know that our manager or his wife have behaved in such a manner. I know that people are happy that JB is no longer facing a court battle. This whole circus has left a bad taste around our club and it was brought on by JB and GB. I think that the unhealthy factor in their relationship was alcohol. JB now abstains as far as I know, I would imagine that it's virtually the same for Mrs B, having recently been pregnant. People often behave very differently when they have consumed a large amount of alcohol, none of us were there that evening, so we don't know how things played out. On a different note, I think it would be nice if the club focussed on facilities for disabled fans, they seem to have become the poor relations now that the main focus is on gender and race (both of which are important, but it shouldn't be at the expense of another vulnerable group) Absolutely agree that race/gender/disability/sensuality (in no particular order) should be focused on equally and none should prioritise over the other, they are all equally important.
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Post by gasify on Nov 2, 2022 19:45:21 GMT
Unfortunately, it became our business as he is our manager. If he was at another club, I wouldn't give a toss. Why are you still totally obsessed with this case, the judge has acquitted JB as there was no case to answer, perhaps you should follow his lead and just move on? Not obsessed. Embarrassed.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 2, 2022 19:47:44 GMT
I think that the unhealthy factor in their relationship was alcohol. JB now abstains as far as I know, I would imagine that it's virtually the same for Mrs B, having recently been pregnant. People often behave very differently when they have consumed a large amount of alcohol, none of us were there that evening, so we don't know how things played out. On a different note, I think it would be nice if the club focussed on facilities for disabled fans, they seem to have become the poor relations now that the main focus is on gender and race (both of which are important, but it shouldn't be at the expense of another vulnerable group) Absolutely agree that race/gender/disability/sensuality (in no particular order) should be focused on equally and none should prioritise over the other, they are all equally important. Yes, it feels as though disability is a bit "old hat" these days.
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Post by eric on Nov 2, 2022 19:55:09 GMT
Absolutely agree that race/gender/disability/sensuality (in no particular order) should be focused on equally and none should prioritise over the other, they are all equally important. Yes, it feels as though disability is a bit "old hat" these days. Disability not fashionable enough - far more trendy causes to be seen to be supporting at the moment.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Nov 2, 2022 21:31:29 GMT
Is this case of 'public interest' - no.
Is this case 'interesting to the public' - barely.
Why does the law of this country not understand this?
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