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Post by percy on Nov 6, 2022 1:05:38 GMT
Every time someone says “Joey haters” I ignore everything else in their post.
This place is balanced and positive generally
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 6, 2022 1:05:39 GMT
Totally disagree, imo Joeys team are playing the best football, since Ollies team; I really enjoy watching this particular team, the squad of players is as good as any I have seen since 89/90. If and when the Joey haters drive him out of the club, we will be back to a list of awful useless managers, our best players will leave with Joey and club will most likely plummet back into division 2, watched by gates of 6/ 7000. I am sure IF Joey wants to stay, will build a side capable of getting into the Championship. Those who are obsessed with Joeys personal life, careful what you wish for. Let's see where we are at the end of the season. One issue I have with the way the club has gone is with an over reliance on JB and his backroom team. If he does leave, they will leave with him. I don't think we have ever been this vulnerable. What a load of.... Never so vulnerable 🤣 I remember the fantastic succession plans we had in place when we lost, Bert Tann,Don Megson and Gerry Francis. Probably best we just enjoy the fact we've got a manager that seems to know his arse from his elbow when it comes to football. And maybe with the right support won't feel the need to leave any time soon. |
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Post by Congas on Nov 6, 2022 7:00:26 GMT
The thing is…..and hear me out….He hasn’t actually achieved anything. He took us down and then took us back up. So we’re back where we started. Until he makes a playoff side I don’t see why big clubs would look at him and think what a great manager he is. And im a Barton fan. Totally disagree, imo Joeys team are playing the best football, since Ollies team; I really enjoy watching this particular team, the squad of players is as good as any I have seen since 89/90. If and when the Joey haters drive him out of the club, we will be back to a list of awful useless managers, our best players will leave with Joey and club will most likely plummet back into division 2, watched by gates of 6/ 7000. I am sure IF Joey wants to stay, will build a side capable of getting into the Championship. Those who are obsessed with Joeys personal life, careful what you wish for. Personal life? Nothing on the domestic front among this little lot: www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/joey-bartons-most-disgraceful-controversies-23544106 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2022 8:28:05 GMT
Totally disagree, imo Joeys team are playing the best football, since Ollies team; I really enjoy watching this particular team, the squad of players is as good as any I have seen since 89/90. If and when the Joey haters drive him out of the club, we will be back to a list of awful useless managers, our best players will leave with Joey and club will most likely plummet back into division 2, watched by gates of 6/ 7000. I am sure IF Joey wants to stay, will build a side capable of getting into the Championship. Those who are obsessed with Joeys personal life, careful what you wish for. Personal life? Nothing on the domestic front among this little lot: www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/joey-bartons-most-disgraceful-controversies-23544106 What are you hoping to gain by posting a link to that article, it's not like the vast majority of forum users are blind to what's gone on in the past? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2022 8:40:47 GMT
Totally disagree, imo Joeys team are playing the best football, since Ollies team; I really enjoy watching this particular team, the squad of players is as good as any I have seen since 89/90. If and when the Joey haters drive him out of the club, we will be back to a list of awful useless managers, our best players will leave with Joey and club will most likely plummet back into division 2, watched by gates of 6/ 7000. I am sure IF Joey wants to stay, will build a side capable of getting into the Championship. Those who are obsessed with Joeys personal life, careful what you wish for. Let's see where we are at the end of the season. One issue I have with the way the club has gone is with an over reliance on JB and his backroom team. If he does leave, they will leave with him. I don't think we have ever been this vulnerable. I'd imagine every incoming manager's dream scenario is to be able to bring in his own team. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 6, 2022 8:53:49 GMT
Haven’t clicked on this thread since Monday. Imagine my surprise when I came on here this morning (after progressing in the cup, something we actually don’t have good form for) to see that this is still gathering posts.
Jesus wept. The matter is done.
The courts determined there’s no case to follow. Yes, he may have actually done it, but only the Barton’s know what really happened and they have stuck together. We can only assume that there is nothing to this.
As a club were progressing on the pitch and are showing our strongest potential in 20 years. Why rock the boat?
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Post by gasify on Nov 6, 2022 9:27:59 GMT
Let's see where we are at the end of the season. One issue I have with the way the club has gone is with an over reliance on JB and his backroom team. If he does leave, they will leave with him. I don't think we have ever been this vulnerable. I wouldn’t be so sure. I could see Andy Mangan staying and being promoted if JB left. It would be good to have a similar situation to Argyle where the assistant coach stepped up. It seems to be working for them. |
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Post by gasify on Nov 6, 2022 9:36:30 GMT
Let's see where we are at the end of the season. One issue I have with the way the club has gone is with an over reliance on JB and his backroom team. If he does leave, they will leave with him. I don't think we have ever been this vulnerable. What a load of.... Never so vulnerable 🤣 I remember the fantastic succession plans we had in place when we lost, Bert Tann,Don Megson and Gerry Francis. Probably best we just enjoy the fact we've got a manager that seems to know his arse from his elbow when it comes to football. And maybe with the right support won't feel the need to leave any time soon. What a load of... There are three scenarios here: 1) JB takes us to the Championship. He will then be a sought after manager. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 2) We have seasons where we nearly get in the playoffs/get in the playoffs but ultimately don't get promoted. JB will be sought after from a bigger club that has dropped down with the resources to buy themselves out of this league. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 3) We bounce around this league, not get into playoffs and continue to stagnate. Maybe throw in a relegation to league two. Would we want him to stay in that scenario? We are in league one. It he performs, he f**ks off to a bigger club. If he doesn't, we tell him to f**k off. The way the fans react/treat him will ultimately have f**k all to do with any decision being made. |
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Post by gasify on Nov 6, 2022 9:39:10 GMT
Let's see where we are at the end of the season. One issue I have with the way the club has gone is with an over reliance on JB and his backroom team. If he does leave, they will leave with him. I don't think we have ever been this vulnerable. I'd imagine every incoming manager's dream scenario is to be able to bring in his own team. Is that what has happened at Plymouth? There are two reasons you need a new manager: 1) The manager is successful 2) The manager is unsuccessful It's only scenario 2 that a new manager would want to bring in their own team? |
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 6, 2022 10:50:49 GMT
What a load of.... Never so vulnerable 🤣 I remember the fantastic succession plans we had in place when we lost, Bert Tann,Don Megson and Gerry Francis. Probably best we just enjoy the fact we've got a manager that seems to know his arse from his elbow when it comes to football. And maybe with the right support won't feel the need to leave any time soon. What a load of... There are three scenarios here: 1) JB takes us to the Championship. He will then be a sought after manager. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 2) We have seasons where we nearly get in the playoffs/get in the playoffs but ultimately don't get promoted. JB will be sought after from a bigger club that has dropped down with the resources to buy themselves out of this league. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 3) We bounce around this league, not get into playoffs and continue to stagnate. Maybe throw in a relegation to league two. Would we want him to stay in that scenario? We are in league one. It he performs, he f**ks off to a bigger club. If he doesn't, we tell him to f**k off. The way the fans react/treat him will ultimately have f**k all to do with any decision being made. The answer to all three is probably no.....of course something will come up that interests him more than being here. Especially with the facilities and finances at our disposal and particularly the ground. I'm not sure what you're expecting.. .it's the same as it's ever been the world over in football. Maybe you're new to the sport, I don't know of course. If the fans love him and Wael decides to throw the kitchen sink at the project he maybe tempted to stay a bit longer. Who knows. Other than the fabled so called "Boot Room" at Liverpool I'm not sure I've ever seen anything approaching a successful succession plan at any pro club. |
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Post by gasify on Nov 6, 2022 14:00:57 GMT
What a load of... There are three scenarios here: 1) JB takes us to the Championship. He will then be a sought after manager. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 2) We have seasons where we nearly get in the playoffs/get in the playoffs but ultimately don't get promoted. JB will be sought after from a bigger club that has dropped down with the resources to buy themselves out of this league. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 3) We bounce around this league, not get into playoffs and continue to stagnate. Maybe throw in a relegation to league two. Would we want him to stay in that scenario? We are in league one. It he performs, he f**ks off to a bigger club. If he doesn't, we tell him to f**k off. The way the fans react/treat him will ultimately have f**k all to do with any decision being made. The answer to all three is probably no.....of course something will come up that interests him more than being here. Especially with the facilities and finances at our disposal and particularly the ground. (1)I'm not sure what you're expecting.. .it's the same as it's ever been the world over in football. Maybe you're new to the sport, I don't know of course. If the fans love him and Wael decides to throw the kitchen sink at the project he maybe tempted to stay a bit longer. Who knows. Other than the fabled so called "Boot Room" at Liverpool (2)I'm not sure I've ever seen anything approaching a successful succession plan at any pro club. With (1), I was just responding to the comment that the way he is thought of will have any bearing on any decision he makes. I thought the comment of "what a load of..." was very dismissive, so I thought I would put some context around it. New to the Rovers from the late 80's, seen highs and lows in that time. The last day of the season to gain promotion was a high but for me, beating City to claim the title has been our greatest achievement in that time. The only manager I have heard of that has been loyal to the project is the QPR manager who this season turned down the Wolves job saying that he wanted to finish what he had started at QPR. If he does achieve promotion to the premiership, he will have legendary status to QPR fans. Personally, I don't expect that kind of loyalty from any manager. Managers have their own ambitions and their own families to support. If JB (or any manager) left us when we have achieved promotion or were cemented in a playoff position. You can't really be upset with his choices. However, the fact that some fans are behind him and other fans are just behind the the club, rather than the manager will have no bearing on that decision. When I see comments like get behind the manager, I prefer to get behind the team and the club. With (2), I think Argyle have done pretty well since Ryan Lowe left. What they have built quietly over the last 5 years is the blueprint for us. Of course, it helps that they have a stadium that could be redeveloped and a capacity of 16k that they are selling out at the moment. It's not just the stadium for them, it's the back room stuff as well. They have good young players coming through, their Argyle TV is so much better than what we deliver with IFollow. |
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Post by Quarters on Nov 6, 2022 15:53:00 GMT
What a load of... There are three scenarios here: 1) JB takes us to the Championship. He will then be a sought after manager. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 2) We have seasons where we nearly get in the playoffs/get in the playoffs but ultimately don't get promoted. JB will be sought after from a bigger club that has dropped down with the resources to buy themselves out of this league. Do you really think that he will say, I won't take the pay increase and the opportunity to manage at a higher level/bigger club as the fans at Bristol Rovers are so supportive. 3) We bounce around this league, not get into playoffs and continue to stagnate. Maybe throw in a relegation to league two. Would we want him to stay in that scenario? We are in league one. It he performs, he f**ks off to a bigger club. If he doesn't, we tell him to f**k off. The way the fans react/treat him will ultimately have f**k all to do with any decision being made. The answer to all three is probably no.....of course something will come up that interests him more than being here. Especially with the facilities and finances at our disposal and particularly the ground. I'm not sure what you're expecting.. .it's the same as it's ever been the world over in football. Maybe you're new to the sport, I don't know of course. If the fans love him and Wael decides to throw the kitchen sink at the project he maybe tempted to stay a bit longer. Who knows. Other than the fabled so called "Boot Room" at Liverpool I'm not sure I've ever seen anything approaching a successful succession plan at any pro club. Swansea over the years already identified next manager. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 6, 2022 16:01:59 GMT
Haven’t clicked on this thread since Monday. Imagine my surprise when I came on here this morning (after progressing in the cup, something we actually don’t have good form for) to see that this is still gathering posts. Jesus wept. The matter is done. The courts determined there’s no case to follow. Yes, he may have actually done it, but only the Barton’s know what really happened and they have stuck together. We can only assume that there is nothing to this. As a club were progressing on the pitch and are showing our strongest potential in 20 years. Why rock the boat? It’s beyond boring now ! 🥱😴🤫💙 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2022 17:26:17 GMT
I'd imagine every incoming manager's dream scenario is to be able to bring in his own team. Is that what has happened at Plymouth? There are two reasons you need a new manager: 1) The manager is successful 2) The manager is unsuccessful It's only scenario 2 that a new manager would want to bring in their own team? Surely it all depends who replaces JB when he eventually leaves, if it's Mangan then apart from EJ most of the coaching staff etc could well remain, if it's not Mangan but an external appointment then new manager will want to bring in his own coaching staff, although what's the point in worrying about when JB leaves as he's showing no signs of leaving at present, losing Collins or Belshaw are probably bigger concerns this season. |
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Post by GasHeadBlues on Nov 6, 2022 19:04:21 GMT
Haven’t clicked on this thread since Monday. Imagine my surprise when I came on here this morning (after progressing in the cup, something we actually don’t have good form for) to see that this is still gathering posts. Jesus wept. The matter is done. The courts determined there’s no case to follow. Yes, he may have actually done it, but only the Barton’s know what really happened and they have stuck together. We can only assume that there is nothing to this. As a club were progressing on the pitch and are showing our strongest potential in 20 years. Why rock the boat? It’s beyond boring now ! 🥱😴🤫💙 The majority of moderators were anti Joey Barton at the time he was appointed which makes me somewhat cynical as to why this thread is being continued and not locked as it should have been over a week ago. Perhaps those who've softened their view might just lock the thread and avoid further divisive comment/argument. Since the subject matter has been resolved it surely has no further relevance. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Nov 6, 2022 19:07:47 GMT
The judge has finally quashed any chance of him being sacked for off field matters way back when, so we move onto “When he *s off”…
Alrighty then🤦🏻🤦🏻
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 6, 2022 19:40:48 GMT
It’s beyond boring now ! 🥱😴🤫💙 The majority of moderators were anti Joey Barton at the time he was appointed which makes me somewhat cynical as to why this thread is being continued and not locked as it should have been over a week ago. Perhaps those who've softened their view might just lock the thread and avoid further divisive comment/argument. Since the subject matter has been resolved it surely has no further relevance. If we lock this thread we won’t hear the end of it. Apparently instilling cancel culture. We get accused of it even when we haven’t moderated a thread. I don’t see the point of this thread continuing but we’re moderators and not communist dictators. Unless a thread is harmful I don’t see the issue of it continuing even if it is a pointless thread. That said for the avoidance of any doubt my personal view is that this thread is now pointless 😂 |
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 6, 2022 22:07:28 GMT
The answer to all three is probably no.....of course something will come up that interests him more than being here. Especially with the facilities and finances at our disposal and particularly the ground. (1)I'm not sure what you're expecting.. .it's the same as it's ever been the world over in football. Maybe you're new to the sport, I don't know of course. If the fans love him and Wael decides to throw the kitchen sink at the project he maybe tempted to stay a bit longer. Who knows. Other than the fabled so called "Boot Room" at Liverpool (2)I'm not sure I've ever seen anything approaching a successful succession plan at any pro club. With (1), I was just responding to the comment that the way he is thought of will have any bearing on any decision he makes. I thought the comment of "what a load of..." was very dismissive, so I thought I would put some context around it. New to the Rovers from the late 80's, seen highs and lows in that time. The last day of the season to gain promotion was a high but for me, beating City to claim the title has been our greatest achievement in that time. The only manager I have heard of that has been loyal to the project is the QPR manager who this season turned down the Wolves job saying that he wanted to finish what he had started at QPR. If he does achieve promotion to the premiership, he will have legendary status to QPR fans. Personally, I don't expect that kind of loyalty from any manager. Managers have their own ambitions and their own families to support. If JB (or any manager) left us when we have achieved promotion or were cemented in a playoff position. You can't really be upset with his choices. However, the fact that some fans are behind him and other fans are just behind the the club, rather than the manager will have no bearing on that decision. When I see comments like get behind the manager, I prefer to get behind the team and the club. With (2), I think Argyle have done pretty well since Ryan Lowe left. What they have built quietly over the last 5 years is the blueprint for us. Of course, it helps that they have a stadium that could be redeveloped and a capacity of 16k that they are selling out at the moment. It's not just the stadium for them, it's the back room stuff as well. They have good young players coming through, their Argyle TV is so much better than what we deliver with IFollow. [br Blimey after all that ..I'm still no clearer how we're more vulnerable than we've ever been before, your original assertion |
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Post by gasify on Nov 7, 2022 0:28:39 GMT
With (1), I was just responding to the comment that the way he is thought of will have any bearing on any decision he makes. I thought the comment of "what a load of..." was very dismissive, so I thought I would put some context around it. New to the Rovers from the late 80's, seen highs and lows in that time. The last day of the season to gain promotion was a high but for me, beating City to claim the title has been our greatest achievement in that time. The only manager I have heard of that has been loyal to the project is the QPR manager who this season turned down the Wolves job saying that he wanted to finish what he had started at QPR. If he does achieve promotion to the premiership, he will have legendary status to QPR fans. Personally, I don't expect that kind of loyalty from any manager. Managers have their own ambitions and their own families to support. If JB (or any manager) left us when we have achieved promotion or were cemented in a playoff position. You can't really be upset with his choices. However, the fact that some fans are behind him and other fans are just behind the the club, rather than the manager will have no bearing on that decision. When I see comments like get behind the manager, I prefer to get behind the team and the club. With (2), I think Argyle have done pretty well since Ryan Lowe left. What they have built quietly over the last 5 years is the blueprint for us. Of course, it helps that they have a stadium that could be redeveloped and a capacity of 16k that they are selling out at the moment. It's not just the stadium for them, it's the back room stuff as well. They have good young players coming through, their Argyle TV is so much better than what we deliver with IFollow. [br Blimey after all that ..I'm still no clearer how we're more vulnerable than we've ever been before, your original assertion I recommend relooking at my original comment. We have never given one manager a carte blanche. Before you ask, here is a definition for you: www.dictionary.com/browse/carte-blancheSince I have been supporting Rovers, we have never given such power and decision making to the manager and that is what makes us vulnerable. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 7, 2022 7:45:12 GMT
[br Blimey after all that ..I'm still no clearer how we're more vulnerable than we've ever been before, your original assertion I recommend relooking at my original comment. We have never given one manager a carte blanche. Before you ask, here is a definition for you: www.dictionary.com/browse/carte-blancheSince I have been supporting Rovers, we have never given such power and decision making to the manager and that is what makes us vulnerable. I would suggest you ask Bert Tann, Don Megson and Gerry Francis about that. Francis was even spending his own money on players. I know it doesn't fit the narrative but hey ho |
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