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Post by gasify on Nov 7, 2022 8:18:04 GMT
I recommend relooking at my original comment. We have never given one manager a carte blanche. Before you ask, here is a definition for you: www.dictionary.com/browse/carte-blancheSince I have been supporting Rovers, we have never given such power and decision making to the manager and that is what makes us vulnerable. I would suggest you ask Bert Tann, Don Megson and Gerry Francis about that. Francis was even spending his own money on players. I know it doesn't fit the narrative but hey ho If I did. What would they say?
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Post by Gaswood on Nov 7, 2022 8:28:51 GMT
I would suggest you ask Bert Tann, Don Megson and Gerry Francis about that. Francis was even spending his own money on players. I know it doesn't fit the narrative but hey ho If I did. What would they say? They’d probably fall asleep trying read all the drivel from the posters on this thread in the last few days before they could give you an answer!
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Nov 7, 2022 9:10:11 GMT
Since Bobby Gould’s second period in charge we’ve had 18 permanent incumbents in the managerial role, some have held it more than once (Gerry Francis, John Ward). In those 35 years only Francis ( the first time) and Coughlan have left us when their managerial career was in the ascendancy. The others despite some achieving notable successes have either been sacked or relieved of their duties by mutual consent. It could be argued that managers careers are more vulnerable at Rovers rather than the club being at risk of losing a whole management team at one fell swoop ( although whether sacked or seeking greener pastures elsewhere it is true the trusted lieutenants of a management regime tend to clear their desks at the same time as the boss man).
Nevertheless, my view on the vulnerability question is this…there are dream jobs out there for JB that are too tempting to turn down (e.g. Everton, Man City, Newcastle and I would have added Rangers except that the Glasgow papers keep referring to him as “Rangers’ flop” so that may be a pre-poisoned chalice). However Joey has shown previously at Fleetwood and here that incremental steps up the ladder don’t hook him unless there is an owner to trust and a project to achieve (something like getting Sheff Wednesday, Ipswich or Derby back in the top flight). If they don’t have that pull, then working for an owner that has backed him to drag the club up as far as he can is likely to keep him in situ…the current project isn’t finished and his ambition is to do so.
On the flip side just how vulnerable are we? JB has consistently praised the backing of the owner and the quality of the fans. Should he leave, in whatever circumstances, there are going to be no shortage of takers for the role he has consistently represented favourably. I dare say the quality of the applicants would be greater than those when GC departed us. JB has also busted the myth that we can’t attract decent players to join us from the Northwest or Northeast, several player’s stars are on the rise because they threw their hat in to the Bristol Rovers project, others will have seen this and be less hesitant to come to BS7. So the vulnerability of the club to Joey’s potential departure is countermanded by the improved robustness and reputation of the club during his tenure. It’s always been a rollercoaster ride following the gas, I think we’re still on the next climb and will be in a better condition to survive the next lurch when it comes.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 7, 2022 10:11:56 GMT
The thing is…..and hear me out….He hasn’t actually achieved anything. He took us down and then took us back up. So we’re back where we started. Until he makes a playoff side I don’t see why big clubs would look at him and think what a great manager he is. And im a Barton fan. Totally disagree, imo Joeys team are playing the best football, since Ollies team; I really enjoy watching this particular team, the squad of players is as good as any I have seen since 89/90. If and when the Joey haters drive him out of the club, we will be back to a list of awful useless managers, our best players will leave with Joey and club will most likely plummet back into division 2, watched by gates of 6/ 7000. I am sure IF Joey wants to stay, will build a side capable of getting into the Championship. Those who are obsessed with Joeys personal life, careful what you wish for. Did you see Ollie on points West on 3rd November ? I don’t recall him say anything about Rovers and it was to promote his new book. For those interested it’s on BBC iPlayer and scrub to around 17 mins.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 7, 2022 10:18:16 GMT
What are you hoping to gain by posting a link to that article, it's not like the vast majority of forum users are blind to what's gone on in the past? The trouble is that the media are biased and people tend to repeat what they have read. Fact is we all make assumptions.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 7, 2022 10:21:38 GMT
Haven’t clicked on this thread since Monday. Imagine my surprise when I came on here this morning (after progressing in the cup, something we actually don’t have good form for) to see that this is still gathering posts. Jesus wept. The matter is done. The courts determined there’s no case to follow. Yes, he may have actually done it, but only the Barton’s know what really happened and they have stuck together. We can only assume that there is nothing to this. As a club were progressing on the pitch and are showing our strongest potential in 20 years. Why rock the boat? I’d argue that we showed our strongest potential under DC, before the nasty bar stewards at the 82 got Taylor and voted that their champagne moment of that season. I can’t even imagine being that petty.
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 7, 2022 14:28:34 GMT
I would suggest you ask Bert Tann, Don Megson and Gerry Francis about that. Francis was even spending his own money on players. I know it doesn't fit the narrative but hey ho If I did. What would they say? Find someone who seems to know what they're doing and let them get on with it Having a manager with proper top flight playing experience, giving them proper control has been the only route to success since 1958
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 15:02:18 GMT
May have dodged a bullet today with talk of Nathan Jones being the one.
It wont be long before someone higher up the pyramid takes a chance IMO
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Post by kruger on Nov 7, 2022 15:26:05 GMT
You are obviously very concerned and probably disappointed Joey is going to be our manager for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, you now have a choice, either get behind what is after all Joeys team, or not, the second option will be a minority position which may cause you to stay away, etc. ... like others chose to do, although I know of some supporters who became really upset on hearing of Joeys appointment, they decided to stay away, however once the team started to do well, they thought better of it and trundled back to both the MEM and selected away games. Remember when the herd moves you either move with it or you get left behind. Chin up and follow the Gas. Of course I am very concerned. We all should be. However, I haven't boycotted any games due to JB being manager. I am a fan of BRFC which is bigger than the manager and bigger than the owner. Season ticket holder, even in a season that we couldn't watch the team. Never requested a refund on that season ticket, so my name is on the sign at The Quarters. Sorry to not fit into your stereotype. there should be a thumbs down because I would click on it if there was, some people won't be happy until we're struggling in league 2 with a rubbish manager
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Post by horfield on Nov 7, 2022 15:37:36 GMT
I wouldn't be worried at all about the manager being appointed else where, no other club would take that risk.
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Post by dudelebowski on Nov 7, 2022 15:37:56 GMT
Of course I am very concerned. We all should be. However, I haven't boycotted any games due to JB being manager. I am a fan of BRFC which is bigger than the manager and bigger than the owner. Season ticket holder, even in a season that we couldn't watch the team. Never requested a refund on that season ticket, so my name is on the sign at The Quarters. Sorry to not fit into your stereotype. there should be a thumbs down because I would click on it if there was, some people won't be happy until we're struggling in league 2 with a rubbish manager Then they can have all the terrace space they like with 5000 others, watching us just about skip by Barrow & Sutton🙃😄 The way some like it (and I know these people personally)
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Post by baggins on Nov 7, 2022 16:03:40 GMT
Anyone else lost as to what this thread has turned into?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2022 16:19:34 GMT
[br Blimey after all that ..I'm still no clearer how we're more vulnerable than we've ever been before, your original assertion I recommend relooking at my original comment. We have never given one manager a carte blanche. Before you ask, here is a definition for you: www.dictionary.com/browse/carte-blancheSince I have been supporting Rovers, we have never given such power and decision making to the manager and that is what makes us vulnerable. DC had Marcus Stewart as his assistant and Chris Hargreaves running the Academy, with Wriddington brought in as DoF, I'm not sure JB's doing anything any different? Fleetwood seemed to have survived post JB/EJ?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 7, 2022 16:30:26 GMT
I wouldn't be worried at all about the manager being appointed else where, no other club would take that risk. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Appointing any manager is a risk business - football club owners want success, if JB continues to improve Rovers, other clubs would be interested.
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Post by baggins on Nov 7, 2022 16:32:45 GMT
I wouldn't be worried at all about the manager being appointed else where, no other club would take that risk. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Appointing any manager is a risk business - football club owners want success, if JB continues to improve Rovers, other clubs would be interested. Time to leave this thread Tilly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 16:43:18 GMT
I think its my fault with the cryptic reference to the Saints.
However I do believe that Joe will be on the radar with a lot of clubs. Tilly is absolutely right football doesn't give a s£*t
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Post by kruger on Nov 7, 2022 17:10:09 GMT
there should be a thumbs down because I would click on it if there was, some people won't be happy until we're struggling in league 2 with a rubbish manager Then they can have all the terrace space they like with 5000 others, watching us just about skip by Barrow & Sutton🙃😄 The way some like it (and I know these people personally) really sad, I know it's only a few but why do they seem louder than the ones who are really happy and enjoying what we are seeing
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Post by aghast on Nov 7, 2022 17:41:45 GMT
Of course I am very concerned. We all should be. However, I haven't boycotted any games due to JB being manager. I am a fan of BRFC which is bigger than the manager and bigger than the owner. Season ticket holder, even in a season that we couldn't watch the team. Never requested a refund on that season ticket, so my name is on the sign at The Quarters. Sorry to not fit into your stereotype. there should be a thumbs down because I would click on it if there was, some people won't be happy until we're struggling in league 2 with a rubbish manager This is a sort of urban myth put about by people who will not hear any criticism of JB. Anyone who is slightly sceptical about anything must want us to be relegated with a rubbish manager.
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Post by kruger on Nov 7, 2022 17:45:16 GMT
there should be a thumbs down because I would click on it if there was, some people won't be happy until we're struggling in league 2 with a rubbish manager This is a sort of urban myth put about by people who will not hear any criticism of JB. Anyone who is slightly sceptical about anything must want us to be relegated with a rubbish manager. done to death boring as hell
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Post by aghast on Nov 7, 2022 21:26:42 GMT
This is a sort of urban myth put about by people who will not hear any criticism of JB. Anyone who is slightly sceptical about anything must want us to be relegated with a rubbish manager. done to death boring as hell I know. It's very tedious.
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