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Post by pirate on Mar 4, 2022 7:13:37 GMT
"Don't put words in my mouth. Are you really that thick you can't see the bigger picture and how the meddling by the likes of Victoria Nuland and Igor Kolomoisky, NATO expansion, 2014 coup and "war crimes" committed since by the likes of the neo-nazi militias have played a huge part in the crisis?" What part of a sovereign country's decision to join a military alliance of its choice constitutes justification for another country to invade it is and kill it's people? The "coup" as you call it in 2014 appears to be widely supported by the Ukranians. What war crimes have been committed by Ukranians since 2014? A sovereign country who's democratically elected president was overthrown in a coup to be replaced by Nuland's man "Yats". The United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law in its 2016 report. The report detailed incidents over a period from November 2015-February 2016 where Azov had embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals and used civilian buildings, and displaced residents after looting civilian properties. The report also accused the battalion of raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_13th_HRMMU_Report_3March2016.pdf |
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Post by pirate on Mar 4, 2022 7:49:57 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 4, 2022 8:58:12 GMT
"Don't put words in my mouth. Are you really that thick you can't see the bigger picture and how the meddling by the likes of Victoria Nuland and Igor Kolomoisky, NATO expansion, 2014 coup and "war crimes" committed since by the likes of the neo-nazi militias have played a huge part in the crisis?" What part of a sovereign country's decision to join a military alliance of its choice constitutes justification for another country to invade it is and kill it's people? The "coup" as you call it in 2014 appears to be widely supported by the Ukranians. What war crimes have been committed by Ukranians since 2014? A sovereign country who's democratically elected president was overthrown in a coup to be replaced by Nuland's man "Yats". The United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law in its 2016 report. The report detailed incidents over a period from November 2015-February 2016 where Azov had embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals and used civilian buildings, and displaced residents after looting civilian properties. The report also accused the battalion of raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_13th_HRMMU_Report_3March2016.pdf Can you explain how he was overthrown? Also, what is your view on Russia using Chechens? |
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Post by oldie on Mar 4, 2022 9:58:04 GMT
A sovereign country who's democratically elected president was overthrown in a coup to be replaced by Nuland's man "Yats". The United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law in its 2016 report. The report detailed incidents over a period from November 2015-February 2016 where Azov had embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals and used civilian buildings, and displaced residents after looting civilian properties. The report also accused the battalion of raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_13th_HRMMU_Report_3March2016.pdf Can you explain how he was overthrown? Also, what is your view on Russia using Chechens? Busy at the mo, but this drivel needs to be taken on, one point at a time. |
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Post by pirate on Mar 4, 2022 11:47:46 GMT
A sovereign country who's democratically elected president was overthrown in a coup to be replaced by Nuland's man "Yats". The United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law in its 2016 report. The report detailed incidents over a period from November 2015-February 2016 where Azov had embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals and used civilian buildings, and displaced residents after looting civilian properties. The report also accused the battalion of raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_13th_HRMMU_Report_3March2016.pdf Can you explain how he was overthrown? Also, what is your view on Russia using Chechens? The plan was laid out on September 26, 2013, by National Endowment for Democracy (financed by the US Congress to the tune of about $100 million a year), president Carl Gershman (a major neocon paymaster) who took to the op-ed page of the Washington Post and pronounced Ukraine “the biggest prize” and an important interim step toward toppling Putin, who “may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.” In other words, from the start, Putin was the target of the Ukraine initiative, not the instigator. Beyond Gershman’s rhetoric was the fact that National Endowment for Democracy was funding scores of projects inside Ukraine, training activists, supporting “journalists” and funding business groups. $350 million in arms and military equipment were agreed for Ukraine to wage its “anti-terrorism operation” against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, where as I detailed before, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) later accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law by embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals, using civilian buildings, displacing residents after looting civilian properties and raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. The use of Chechens is not surprising as Chechen forces have previously been deployed in Syria and Georgia. What they will be met with is Azov fighters with a hatred for Muslims, a far-right, neo-Nazi ideology and white supremacist beliefs and according to recent reports "bullets dipped in pig fat." |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 4, 2022 11:54:08 GMT
Watch …. Winter on fire on Netflix.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 4, 2022 12:15:13 GMT
Can you explain how he was overthrown? Also, what is your view on Russia using Chechens? The plan was laid out on September 26, 2013, by National Endowment for Democracy (financed by the US Congress to the tune of about $100 million a year), president Carl Gershman (a major neocon paymaster) who took to the op-ed page of the Washington Post and pronounced Ukraine “the biggest prize” and an important interim step toward toppling Putin, who “may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.” In other words, from the start, Putin was the target of the Ukraine initiative, not the instigator. Beyond Gershman’s rhetoric was the fact that National Endowment for Democracy was funding scores of projects inside Ukraine, training activists, supporting “journalists” and funding business groups. $350 million in arms and military equipment were agreed for Ukraine to wage its “anti-terrorism operation” against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, where as I detailed before, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) later accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law by embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals, using civilian buildings, displacing residents after looting civilian properties and raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. The use of Chechens is not surprising as Chechen forces have previously been deployed in Syria and Georgia. What they will be met with is Azov fighters with a hatred for Muslims, a far-right, neo-Nazi ideology and white supremacist beliefs and according to recent reports "bullets dipped in pig fat." You really believe that, don't you. So, Putin is the victim in a US plot? Won't pig fat clog up the rifles or burn in the chamber causing malfunction? Edit: It's for propaganda, don't assume it's widespread. Again, please explain how the president was ousted in a coup. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 4, 2022 18:35:12 GMT
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Post by axegas on Mar 4, 2022 20:04:31 GMT
If Gaschat had been around in 1940, I wonder what twisted conspiracy Pirate would have found to suggest WW2 wasn’t Hitler’s fault?
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Post by oldie on Mar 4, 2022 20:23:43 GMT
Watch …. Winter on fire on Netflix. Thanks for that heads up. Reminded me of what happened. Made me even more angry with Pirate. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 4, 2022 20:24:53 GMT
If Gaschat had been around in 1940, I wonder what twisted conspiracy Pirate would have found to suggest WW2 wasn’t Hitler’s fault? Indeed. |
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Post by pirate on Mar 4, 2022 21:18:08 GMT
The plan was laid out on September 26, 2013, by National Endowment for Democracy (financed by the US Congress to the tune of about $100 million a year), president Carl Gershman (a major neocon paymaster) who took to the op-ed page of the Washington Post and pronounced Ukraine “the biggest prize” and an important interim step toward toppling Putin, who “may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.” In other words, from the start, Putin was the target of the Ukraine initiative, not the instigator. Beyond Gershman’s rhetoric was the fact that National Endowment for Democracy was funding scores of projects inside Ukraine, training activists, supporting “journalists” and funding business groups. $350 million in arms and military equipment were agreed for Ukraine to wage its “anti-terrorism operation” against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, where as I detailed before, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) later accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law by embedded their weapons and forces in hospitals, using civilian buildings, displacing residents after looting civilian properties and raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region. The use of Chechens is not surprising as Chechen forces have previously been deployed in Syria and Georgia. What they will be met with is Azov fighters with a hatred for Muslims, a far-right, neo-Nazi ideology and white supremacist beliefs and according to recent reports "bullets dipped in pig fat." You really believe that, don't you. So, Putin is the victim in a US plot? Won't pig fat clog up the rifles or burn in the chamber causing malfunction? Edit: It's for propaganda, don't assume it's widespread. Again, please explain how the president was ousted in a coup. The backdrop to the coup cannot be understood without looking at the U.S. strategy to open Ukrainian markets to foreign investors and give control of its economy to giant multinational corporations. After early steps to integrate with the West, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych turned against these changes and ended trade integration talks with the European Union. Months before his overthrow, he restarted economic negotiations with Russia, in a major snub to the Western economic sphere. The IMF had long planned to implement a series of economic reforms to make the country more attractive to investors. The reforms included cutting wage controls (i.e., lowering wages), reforming and reducing health and education sectors (which made up the bulk of employment in Ukraine), and cutting natural gas subsidies to Ukrainian citizens that made energy affordable to the general public. Coup plotters like Victoria Nuland repeatedly stressed the need for the Ukrainian government to enact the “necessary” reforms. After the 2014 coup, the new government quickly restarted the EU deal. After cutting heating subsidies in half, it secured a $27 billion commitment from the IMF. The U.S. was fueling anti-government sentiment through mechanisms like the National Endowment for Democracy. As I previously highlighted, the National Endowment for Democracy president Carl Gershman wrote a piece in the Washington Post that described Ukraine as the “biggest prize” in the East/West rivalry. After the Obama administration, Nuland joined the National Endowment for Democracy board of directors before returning to the State Department in the Biden administration as undersecretary of state for political affairs. The NED board of directors also includes Elliott Abrams, whose record runs from the Iran/Contra affair in the ’80s to the Trump administration’s effort to overthrow the Venezuelan government. He also happens to be a signatory to the Project for a New American Century, co-founded by Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan. The Washington Post‘s David Ignatius once wrote that the National Endowment for Democracy organization functions by “doing in public what the CIA used to do in private.” All I have posted you choose to pick up on the point about pig fat? I think that could be construed as a straw man argument. Alas, It is indeed probably just propaganda, but shows the mindset of these idiotic and dangerous Azov bigots. As British-Pakistani comedian Tez Ilyas said in a tweet, “Being killed by a lard covered bullet doesn’t disqualify one from entering Muslim heaven. Far-right racists made that up and the official Ukrainian National Guard is endorsing it. These are the forces my Foreign Secretary wants British civilians to go fight with?” |
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Post by pirate on Mar 4, 2022 21:29:11 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 4, 2022 21:49:03 GMT
You really believe that, don't you. So, Putin is the victim in a US plot? Won't pig fat clog up the rifles or burn in the chamber causing malfunction? Edit: It's for propaganda, don't assume it's widespread. Again, please explain how the president was ousted in a coup. The backdrop to the coup cannot be understood without looking at the U.S. strategy to open Ukrainian markets to foreign investors and give control of its economy to giant multinational corporations. After early steps to integrate with the West, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych turned against these changes and ended trade integration talks with the European Union. Months before his overthrow, he restarted economic negotiations with Russia, in a major snub to the Western economic sphere. The IMF had long planned to implement a series of economic reforms to make the country more attractive to investors. The reforms included cutting wage controls (i.e., lowering wages), reforming and reducing health and education sectors (which made up the bulk of employment in Ukraine), and cutting natural gas subsidies to Ukrainian citizens that made energy affordable to the general public. Coup plotters like Victoria Nuland repeatedly stressed the need for the Ukrainian government to enact the “necessary” reforms. After the 2014 coup, the new government quickly restarted the EU deal. After cutting heating subsidies in half, it secured a $27 billion commitment from the IMF. The U.S. was fueling anti-government sentiment through mechanisms like the National Endowment for Democracy. As I previously highlighted, the National Endowment for Democracy president Carl Gershman wrote a piece in the Washington Post that described Ukraine as the “biggest prize” in the East/West rivalry. After the Obama administration, Nuland joined the National Endowment for Democracy board of directors before returning to the State Department in the Biden administration as undersecretary of state for political affairs. The NED board of directors also includes Elliott Abrams, whose record runs from the Iran/Contra affair in the ’80s to the Trump administration’s effort to overthrow the Venezuelan government. He also happens to be a signatory to the Project for a New American Century, co-founded by Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan. The Washington Post‘s David Ignatius once wrote that the National Endowment for Democracy organization functions by “doing in public what the CIA used to do in private.” All I have posted you choose to pick up on the point about pig fat? I think that could be construed as a straw man argument. Alas, It is indeed probably just propaganda, but shows the mindset of these idiotic and dangerous Azov bigots. As British-Pakistani comedian Tez Ilyas said in a tweet, “Being killed by a lard covered bullet doesn’t disqualify one from entering Muslim heaven. Far-right racists made that up and the official Ukrainian National Guard is endorsing it. These are the forces my Foreign Secretary wants British civilians to go fight with?” Let me get this straight. You are contending that all those people killed during the demonstrations against Yanukovych were actually under the control of CIA operatives? That it was a coup and not a popular uprising? That after he was kicked out the development of Ukraine to a point where it appears an awful lot of them appear to have been happy with the development, is not true? That in fact they welcome the Russians to free them from this imposed western led tyranny? Is that what you contending? |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 4, 2022 22:02:06 GMT
The backdrop to the coup cannot be understood without looking at the U.S. strategy to open Ukrainian markets to foreign investors and give control of its economy to giant multinational corporations. After early steps to integrate with the West, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych turned against these changes and ended trade integration talks with the European Union. Months before his overthrow, he restarted economic negotiations with Russia, in a major snub to the Western economic sphere. The IMF had long planned to implement a series of economic reforms to make the country more attractive to investors. The reforms included cutting wage controls (i.e., lowering wages), reforming and reducing health and education sectors (which made up the bulk of employment in Ukraine), and cutting natural gas subsidies to Ukrainian citizens that made energy affordable to the general public. Coup plotters like Victoria Nuland repeatedly stressed the need for the Ukrainian government to enact the “necessary” reforms. After the 2014 coup, the new government quickly restarted the EU deal. After cutting heating subsidies in half, it secured a $27 billion commitment from the IMF. The U.S. was fueling anti-government sentiment through mechanisms like the National Endowment for Democracy. As I previously highlighted, the National Endowment for Democracy president Carl Gershman wrote a piece in the Washington Post that described Ukraine as the “biggest prize” in the East/West rivalry. After the Obama administration, Nuland joined the National Endowment for Democracy board of directors before returning to the State Department in the Biden administration as undersecretary of state for political affairs. The NED board of directors also includes Elliott Abrams, whose record runs from the Iran/Contra affair in the ’80s to the Trump administration’s effort to overthrow the Venezuelan government. He also happens to be a signatory to the Project for a New American Century, co-founded by Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan. The Washington Post‘s David Ignatius once wrote that the National Endowment for Democracy organization functions by “doing in public what the CIA used to do in private.” All I have posted you choose to pick up on the point about pig fat? I think that could be construed as a straw man argument. Alas, It is indeed probably just propaganda, but shows the mindset of these idiotic and dangerous Azov bigots. As British-Pakistani comedian Tez Ilyas said in a tweet, “Being killed by a lard covered bullet doesn’t disqualify one from entering Muslim heaven. Far-right racists made that up and the official Ukrainian National Guard is endorsing it. These are the forces my Foreign Secretary wants British civilians to go fight with?” Let me get this straight. You are contending that all those people killed during the demonstrations against Yanukovych were actually under the control of CIA operatives? That it was a coup and not a popular uprising? That after he was kicked out the development of Ukraine to a point where it appears an awful lot of them appear to have been happy with the development, is not true? That in fact they welcome the Russians to free them from this imposed western led tyranny? Is that what you contending? 99% chance the reply is not actually an opinion, but a quote from somewhere instead |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 4, 2022 22:20:14 GMT
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 4, 2022 23:05:11 GMT
Absolutely frightening this is happening. |
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 4, 2022 23:11:25 GMT
And I’d just like to state as a part time poster and long time reader that pirate you spout some absolute nonsense! Worlds falling apart infront of our eyes! And I for one am absolutely terrified what faces us and the last thing we need is your endless sh**e that you post
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Post by yattongas on Mar 4, 2022 23:13:52 GMT
And I’d just like to state as a part time poster and long time reader that pirate you spout some absolute nonsense! Worlds falling apart infront of our eyes! And I for one am absolutely terrified what faces us and the last thing we need is your endless sh**e that you post He’s the worst but there are a few other bad eggs / bad actors / idiots who post absolute sh**e on here as well. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 4, 2022 23:21:21 GMT
Just watched this on sky news….omg ! War is Damn brutal and evil and something we never ever want to experience first hand . |
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