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Post by trevorgas on Mar 5, 2022 12:43:19 GMT
Let's face it, Ukraine will put up one hell of a fight but will eventually fall. Until Putin makes the mistake of going for a NATO Country he'll take what he wants. It's a country of 40million people. That's one hell of an insurgency to contain. The stark choice for Putin will be what to do about a world of angry nations supplying a highly motivated and United Ukrainian resistance. It's going to be awful but he will be defeated. Exactly we think the same thing |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 5, 2022 12:44:13 GMT
I'm sure many legitimate protesters were fed up with Yanukovych’s rule and the allegations of corruption and creeping authoritarianism etc, but the protests were piggybacked on by mercenaries, extremists, agent provocateurs and neo-nazis whose violence would eventually lead to Yanukovych’s downfall. There is no doubt the US had been meddling in the country for years with "$5 billion invested" (Nuland quote) and the likes of the National Endowment for Democracy and other NGO's "doing in public what the CIA used to do in private". Not to mention the CIA themselves actually training Ukrainian special forces and intelligence officers since at least 2015. " I'm sure many legitimate protesters were fed up with Yanukovych’s rule and the allegations of corruption and creeping authoritarianism etc, but the protests were piggybacked on by mercenaries, extremists, agent provocateurs and neo-nazis whose violence would eventually lead to Yanukovych’s downfall." Thanks to Yatton I watched "Winter on Fire" It reminded me of what happened. Looking at the crowds there, in there tens of thousands, unless they were paid extras in a fictional account, the protest looked awfully authentic to me. The police (or others) killing people looked very real as well. How the hell you could dare deflect from Putin's fascist intent and murder of Ukranians like this shocks me. I don't always agree with you but some of your points are not always without foundation. But now you are wilfully aiding and abetting fascism. Shame on you. Purdown, I see you liked his post. Last year I supported your actions in the Kill the Bill protests in Bristol. Now you too shock me. Shame on you also. Are you both confused, deluded or is there some other burning hatred which drives you? Wes may not be Putin apologists but I have to say he's doing a great impression of one. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 5, 2022 12:45:33 GMT
Let's face it, Ukraine will put up one hell of a fight but will eventually fall. Until Putin makes the mistake of going for a NATO Country he'll take what he wants. I’m not convinced they will fall |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2022 12:46:56 GMT
Let's face it, Ukraine will put up one hell of a fight but will eventually fall. Until Putin makes the mistake of going for a NATO Country he'll take what he wants. It's a country of 40million people. That's one hell of an insurgency to contain. The stark choice for Putin will be what to do about a world of angry nations supplying a highly motivated and United Ukrainian resistance. It's going to be awful but he will be defeated. I hope you're right, I really do |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2022 12:49:18 GMT
Let's face it, Ukraine will put up one hell of a fight but will eventually fall. Until Putin makes the mistake of going for a NATO Country he'll take what he wants. I’m not convinced they will fall Putin will do anything to get control. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 5, 2022 12:51:33 GMT
It's a country of 40million people. That's one hell of an insurgency to contain. The stark choice for Putin will be what to do about a world of angry nations supplying a highly motivated and United Ukrainian resistance. It's going to be awful but he will be defeated. Exactly we think the same thing Ditto, he simply doesn't have the numbers despite the size of his forces. It takes something like a 20:1 ratio to subdue an insurgency and that's when there is a recognised government in place with police and other security services onside. I think he was after a coup de main in taking out the government within a day or two then put in his puppet. As that failed he has to double down and we could well be looking at another Aleppo or Grozny. |
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Post by pirate on Mar 5, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
I'm sure many legitimate protesters were fed up with Yanukovych’s rule and the allegations of corruption and creeping authoritarianism etc, but the protests were piggybacked on by mercenaries, extremists, agent provocateurs and neo-nazis whose violence would eventually lead to Yanukovych’s downfall. There is no doubt the US had been meddling in the country for years with "$5 billion invested" (Nuland quote) and the likes of the National Endowment for Democracy and other NGO's "doing in public what the CIA used to do in private". Not to mention the CIA themselves actually training Ukrainian special forces and intelligence officers since at least 2015. " I'm sure many legitimate protesters were fed up with Yanukovych’s rule and the allegations of corruption and creeping authoritarianism etc, but the protests were piggybacked on by mercenaries, extremists, agent provocateurs and neo-nazis whose violence would eventually lead to Yanukovych’s downfall." Thanks to Yatton I watched "Winter on Fire" It reminded me of what happened. Looking at the crowds there, in there tens of thousands, unless they were paid extras in a fictional account, the protest looked awfully authentic to me. The police (or others) killing people looked very real as well. How the hell you could dare deflect from Putin's fascist intent and murder of Ukranians like this shocks me. I don't always agree with you but some of your points are not always without foundation. But now you are wilfully aiding and abetting fascism. Shame on you. Purdown, I see you liked his post. Last year I supported your actions in the Kill the Bill protests in Bristol. Now you too shock me. Shame on you also. Are you both confused, deluded or is there some other burning hatred which drives you? "Fascists" 👇🏻    Ukraine on Fire is a decent one to watch too. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2022 13:24:41 GMT
" I'm sure many legitimate protesters were fed up with Yanukovych’s rule and the allegations of corruption and creeping authoritarianism etc, but the protests were piggybacked on by mercenaries, extremists, agent provocateurs and neo-nazis whose violence would eventually lead to Yanukovych’s downfall." Thanks to Yatton I watched "Winter on Fire" It reminded me of what happened. Looking at the crowds there, in there tens of thousands, unless they were paid extras in a fictional account, the protest looked awfully authentic to me. The police (or others) killing people looked very real as well. How the hell you could dare deflect from Putin's fascist intent and murder of Ukranians like this shocks me. I don't always agree with you but some of your points are not always without foundation. But now you are wilfully aiding and abetting fascism. Shame on you. Purdown, I see you liked his post. Last year I supported your actions in the Kill the Bill protests in Bristol. Now you too shock me. Shame on you also. Are you both confused, deluded or is there some other burning hatred which drives you? "Fascists" 👇🏻 Ukraine on Fire is a decent one to watch too. For the love of God please stop your copy paste link bollocks. It's unreadable and it's total sh** from sources that have no credibility whatsoever. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 5, 2022 13:53:02 GMT
" I'm sure many legitimate protesters were fed up with Yanukovych’s rule and the allegations of corruption and creeping authoritarianism etc, but the protests were piggybacked on by mercenaries, extremists, agent provocateurs and neo-nazis whose violence would eventually lead to Yanukovych’s downfall." Thanks to Yatton I watched "Winter on Fire" It reminded me of what happened. Looking at the crowds there, in there tens of thousands, unless they were paid extras in a fictional account, the protest looked awfully authentic to me. The police (or others) killing people looked very real as well. How the hell you could dare deflect from Putin's fascist intent and murder of Ukranians like this shocks me. I don't always agree with you but some of your points are not always without foundation. But now you are wilfully aiding and abetting fascism. Shame on you. Purdown, I see you liked his post. Last year I supported your actions in the Kill the Bill protests in Bristol. Now you too shock me. Shame on you also. Are you both confused, deluded or is there some other burning hatred which drives you? "Fascists" 👇🏻 Ukraine on Fire is a decent one to watch too. Do me a favour Pirate, Wes. Just f**k off. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 5, 2022 14:26:37 GMT
Exactly we think the same thing Ditto, he simply doesn't have the numbers despite the size of his forces. It takes something like a 20:1 ratio to subdue an insurgency and that's when there is a recognised government in place with police and other security services onside. I think he was after a coup de main in taking out the government within a day or two then put in his puppet. As that failed he has to double down and we could well be looking at another Aleppo or Grozny. I hope not can we stand by and watch that again a 1000 miles away? |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 5, 2022 14:32:53 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 5, 2022 15:54:40 GMT
I hope you're including yourself on that list! And right on cue…… up pops Mr 100% wrong . 🙄 How's your Ukranian settling in? Mr Bullshitter! |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 5, 2022 17:03:27 GMT
And right on cue…… up pops Mr 100% wrong . 🙄 How's your Ukranian settling in? Mr Bullshitter! You’re a bit of a prat aren’t you ? 🙄 |
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 5, 2022 17:50:29 GMT
How's your Ukranian settling in? Mr Bullshitter! You’re a bit of a prat aren’t you ? 🙄 Let's just hope he/she isn't a 'Right Winger' and the wrong kind of refugee for you 🙂 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 5, 2022 17:56:12 GMT
You’re a bit of a prat aren’t you ? 🙄 Let's just hope he/she isn't a 'Right Winger' and the wrong kind of refugee for you 🙂 Grow up ffs 🤦♂️ |
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Post by pirate on Mar 5, 2022 18:06:32 GMT
"Fascists" 👇🏻 Ukraine on Fire is a decent one to watch too. For the love of God please stop your copy paste link bollocks. It's unreadable and it's total sh** from sources that have no credibility whatsoever. The sources above include an extract from the book 'Western Mainstream Media and the Ukraine Crisis: A Study in Conflict Propaganda' written by a professor of Journalism and Communication, a mainstream website that over 9 million unique users visit each month, another site which won the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Voices of Peace Award and a documentary on the crisis that a couple of days ago was in the Top 3 position most watched documentaries on iTunes. |
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 5, 2022 18:09:01 GMT
Let's just hope he/she isn't a 'Right Winger' and the wrong kind of refugee for you 🙂 Grow up ffs 🤦♂️ Ah, I can sense poor old Yatton doesn't like it? Maybe think about how you come across to the others who you label and prod with your posts in future. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 5, 2022 18:32:04 GMT
Ah, I can sense poor old Yatton doesn't like it? Maybe think about how you come across to the others who you label and prod with your posts in future. Haha think I’m worried about a Trump loving loon like you ? 😂 |
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Post by pirate on Mar 5, 2022 19:59:59 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 5, 2022 20:53:40 GMT
Ah, I can sense poor old Yatton doesn't like it? Maybe think about how you come across to the others who you label and prod with your posts in future. Haha think I’m worried about a Trump loving loon like you ? 😂 Imagine the scenes if Yattons (imaginary) refugee rocks up and he/shes a proper little 'Right Winger' with SS tattoos and a Rucksack full of Right Wing literature. If Carlsberg did Refugees. Priceless 😁 |
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