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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2022 17:01:26 GMT
Lack of unity, Putin likes sowing discord and taking advantage of disunity. Just see Young Labour. 😶 Militarily we are very weak. Weak all over. Decade of cuts, self inflicted brexit damage, pandemic, leadership vacuum. As weak as we have ever been really. I know it was a misquote anyway, but Cameron's comments about WWIII don't seem quite so far fetched now. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 22, 2022 17:30:10 GMT
Weak all over. Decade of cuts, self inflicted brexit damage, pandemic, leadership vacuum. As weak as we have ever been really. I know it was a misquote anyway, but Cameron's comments about WWIII don't seem quite so far fetched now. Id forgotten about that. Geopolitical visionary? |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 22, 2022 18:39:17 GMT
So now any dodgy Russian in the UK has been given a massive heads up to move their dodgy money out of the country before sanctions get tighter.
Well played Boris 🇷🇺 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 19:46:25 GMT
When people are saying 'we' are militarily weak, are you talking about the UK or NATO?
Odd thing to say u think.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2022 20:17:01 GMT
When people are saying 'we' are militarily weak, are you talking about the UK or NATO? Odd thing to say u think. By comparison, especially on the ground, both are true. He couldn't move on Poland for example but Russia could do the same to the Baltic states and there would be very little we could do. |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 22, 2022 23:15:20 GMT
Putin has played a blinder here over the last 8 years.
He's predicted pretty much every move from Boris and allies and set us up perfectly.
But don't worry - we're going to put sanctions on 5 Russian men. Your move, Vlad
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Post by yattongas on Feb 22, 2022 23:28:23 GMT
Putin has played a blinder here over the last 8 years. He's predicted pretty much every move from Boris and allies and set us up perfectly. But don't worry - we're going to put sanctions on 5 Russian men. Your move, Vlad Johnson can’t do a lot or the Tory party will be bankrupt 🙄 |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 23, 2022 10:42:47 GMT
Putin has played a blinder here over the last 8 years. He's predicted pretty much every move from Boris and allies and set us up perfectly. But don't worry - we're going to put sanctions on 5 Russian men. Your move, Vlad Putin's gonna end up looking a tosser. 👍 |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 23, 2022 11:10:38 GMT
Putin has played a blinder here over the last 8 years. He's predicted pretty much every move from Boris and allies and set us up perfectly. But don't worry - we're going to put sanctions on 5 Russian men. Your move, Vlad Putin's gonna end up looking a tosser. 👍 He already looks like one, but so far he’s managed this pretty well. Did anyone see Trumps comments that the US should do this to Mexico?! |
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Post by baggins on Feb 23, 2022 11:38:05 GMT
Putin's gonna end up looking a tosser. 👍 He already looks like one, but so far he’s managed this pretty well. Did anyone see Trumps comments that the US should do this to Mexico?! I can't read crayon that well. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 23, 2022 13:13:57 GMT
I wonder how much US Naval fire power is now conveniently on practice manouvers over there? Got to be a handful of subs, carriers?
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2022 13:32:14 GMT
I wonder how much US Naval fire power is now conveniently on practice manouvers over there? Got to be a handful of subs, carriers? In the Black Sea? None, they aren't allowed passage through the Bosphorus. Besides, they'd be trapped and overwhelmed by sheer numbers and nobody is realistically looking at confronting Russia directly, we won't be looking at WWIII over Crimea, the Donbas or Kyiv. Support, politically and practically in terms of equipment is another thing entirely. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 23, 2022 13:37:22 GMT
I wonder how much US Naval fire power is now conveniently on practice manouvers over there? Got to be a handful of subs, carriers? In the Black Sea? None, they aren't allowed passage through the Bosphorus. Besides, they'd be trapped and overwhelmed by sheer numbers and nobody is realistically looking at confronting Russia directly, we won't be looking at WWIII over Crimea, the Donbas or Kyiv. Support, politically and practically in terms of equipment is another thing entirely. Overwhelmed by sheer numbers? Do they need to be that close? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2022 13:47:43 GMT
In the Black Sea? None, they aren't allowed passage through the Bosphorus. Besides, they'd be trapped and overwhelmed by sheer numbers and nobody is realistically looking at confronting Russia directly, we won't be looking at WWIII over Crimea, the Donbas or Kyiv. Support, politically and practically in terms of equipment is another thing entirely. Overwhelmed by sheer numbers? Do they need to be that close? Depends on what you want to use them for, but they'd be within range of land based aircraft and missiles, plus Russia, as a Black Sea country, are permitted submarines. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 23, 2022 13:53:24 GMT
Overwhelmed by sheer numbers? Do they need to be that close? Depends on what you want to use them for, but they'd be within range of land based aircraft and missiles, plus Russia, as a Black Sea country, are permitted submarines. Range of fighter bombers from an aircraft carrier? I'm just wondering if the US really wanted to, they could cause some real damage out there. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2022 14:00:51 GMT
Depends on what you want to use them for, but they'd be within range of land based aircraft and missiles, plus Russia, as a Black Sea country, are permitted submarines. Range of fighter bombers from an aircraft carrier? I'm just wondering if the US really wanted to, they could cause some real damage out there. Yes they could but it would be by other means, however anything overt or obvious will escalate quickly and won't be contained, it'll be WWIII. Best keep a distance and use sanctions. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 23, 2022 14:03:39 GMT
Range of fighter bombers from an aircraft carrier? I'm just wondering if the US really wanted to, they could cause some real damage out there. Yes they could but it would be by other means, however anything overt or obvious will escalate quickly and won't be contained, it'll be WWIII. Best keep a distance and use sanctions. Just bomb the bastards. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2022 14:09:17 GMT
Yes they could but it would be by other means, however anything overt or obvious will escalate quickly and won't be contained, it'll be WWIII. Best keep a distance and use sanctions. Just bomb the bastards. Let's wait until the season has finished first. 😀 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2022 23:29:06 GMT
Some reports of Russian air traffic control closing airspace to civilian flights.
Any attack could well be imminent, even as soon as overnight.
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2022 3:24:58 GMT
Explosions rock Kharkiv, Kiev, Odessa. Putin gives a speech to the UNSC practically declaring war on Ukraine. Troops move into Ukraine from the south in Crimea in an area that isn’t Donbas.
We’re witnessing history, bloody, gruesome, heartbreaking history. I can’t get to sleep right now and I expect a lot of Brits will wake up to this news and be as appalled as I am.
The people of Ukraine are in my thoughts.
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