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Post by oldie on Mar 7, 2023 18:14:35 GMT
Oh gawd 🙄 The world is full of idiots like you who like to think they’re so much more intelligent than the rest of us mere mortals . Finding the ‘facts’ that others can’t or won’t see. Reminds me of the arguments we had with the anti vax cretins who thought they knew the real truth . You might well be able to string a sentence together but if you’re writing absolute nonsense you can’t expect the rest of us to take you seriously. He has really taken a dislike to you, Oldie and Bags. 😁 Does he? I never seen a response to specific points of fact addressed to me that were factual in rebuttal. Normally just abuse, which pretty much sums up reasoning capacity. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 7, 2023 21:47:14 GMT
He has really taken a dislike to you, Oldie and Bags. 😁 Does he? I never seen a response to specific points of fact addressed to me that were factual in rebuttal. Normally just abuse, which pretty much sums up reasoning capacity. You confusing your opinion with facts again Oldie! As I’ve said before, I once pretty much shared the same views. Having grown disillusioned with them as a younger person I’ve come to revile them over time. The same thing is candidly expressed by Hitchens (P). He said when he came out of Uni and met tories, capitalists etc he was shocked as he didn’t find the class hate, the manipulative souls that he thought resides there. He found most were just as nice people as he found in his Trotskyist coven, if not, more so. I’ve found similar. What was the rebellion of my youth has now flipped to the mainstream, and I’ve found myself in the reactionary/counterculture space by default. Ideas like personal responsibility, independence, family values….political father values are now eclipsed, the mood from the top has changed towards a progressive focus on social responsibility, equality of outcome, a rejection of traditional values and inter reliance (I’m trying to phrase these as positively as I can). It comes down to the principle discussed by Ayn Rand: are we our brothers keeper? Or are we individuals? It’s a fundamental difference in outlook. I don’t much fancy being a worker bee in a hive I don’t control. A hell of a lot of people merely go with the zeitgeist. Most are following the current narrative as they would have under any other system. The ideas change but there will always be the many to identify with the in-group, mainly because they want to kick the out group. As Orwell said, “imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever” Sadly I’ve seemed to find myself in the out group in both eras. And an out group of 1 on here. Still, you couldn’t define yourselves without me so I’m doing you all a favour. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2023 23:08:34 GMT
Does he? I never seen a response to specific points of fact addressed to me that were factual in rebuttal. Normally just abuse, which pretty much sums up reasoning capacity. You confusing your opinion with facts again Oldie! As I’ve said before, I once pretty much shared the same views. Having grown disillusioned with them as a younger person I’ve come to revile them over time. The same thing is candidly expressed by Hitchens (P). He said when he came out of Uni and met tories, capitalists etc he was shocked as he didn’t find the class hate, the manipulative souls that he thought resides there. He found most were just as nice people as he found in his Trotskyist coven, if not, more so. I’ve found similar. What was the rebellion of my youth has now flipped to the mainstream, and I’ve found myself in the reactionary/counterculture space by default. Ideas like personal responsibility, independence, family values….political father values are now eclipsed, the mood from the top has changed towards a progressive focus on social responsibility, equality of outcome, a rejection of traditional values and inter reliance (I’m trying to phrase these as positively as I can). It comes down to the principle discussed by Ayn Rand: are we our brothers keeper? Or are we individuals? It’s a fundamental difference in outlook. I don’t much fancy being a worker bee in a hive I don’t control. A hell of a lot of people merely go with the zeitgeist. Most are following the current narrative as they would have under any other system. The ideas change but there will always be the many to identify with the in-group, mainly because they want to kick the out group. As Orwell said, “imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever” Sadly I’ve seemed to find myself in the out group in both eras. And an out group of 1 on here. Still, you couldn’t define yourselves without me so I’m doing you all a favour. Can’t wait for the book 🙄 |
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Post by aghast on Mar 8, 2023 0:39:56 GMT
I am familiar first hand with the narrative spouted by our new friend.
It involves rejecting all mainstream media, rejecting anything no matter how widely reported across the world because it portrays a world view that does not fit with their views, relying instead on off-grid sources of alternative information, dismissing critics of their views as brainwashed media slaves, refusing to acknowledge that others with different views can be well informed, and generally stocking up their bunkers with baked beans and gas masks for the forthcoming apocalypse.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 8, 2023 4:47:32 GMT
I am familiar first hand with the narrative spouted by our new friend. It involves rejecting all mainstream media, rejecting anything no matter how widely reported across the world because it portrays a world view that does not fit with their views, relying instead on off-grid sources of alternative information, dismissing critics of their views as brainwashed media slaves, refusing to acknowledge that others with different views can be well informed, and generally stocking up their bunkers with baked beans and gas masks for the forthcoming apocalypse. It’s funny isn’t it. Back in Victorian England the media brainwashed everyone with the validity of conquest in foreign lands. Moving on to the early 20th century, children were indoctrinated with nationalism. They were encouraged to lay down their life for king and country. Not to mention the church, with God on our side in every conflict, one would be rewarded for their sacrifice. Moving on to more recent times, Kennedy was shot by LHO, the war in Vietnam was essential to stop the dominos of communism. Hillsborough? Sadaams super gun. But now, now we have reached the broad sunlit uplands where we can be assured everything we read is of impeccable journalistic quality. Let’s not also forget: Russia media is disinformation. Chinese media is disinformation. All those billions are brainwashed. OUR media is legit and can be trusted. Without question - if you do, you’re a survivalist conspiracy theorist. What do you think they think of you, and your media? You’re right to a certain extent but where you’re wrong is assuming there’s some alternative source. I’m very much a reader of legacy news, I just read between the lines. You’re speaking like the religious devotee who says “if you’re not religious then what then do you believe in?” I don’t believe any of it. Media of all sources is just a little story written by someone in an office reflecting their own bias and objectives. Probably the FT is my most read publication. I wouldn’t know where to get alternative news. Sometimes Twitter? That’s about it |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 8, 2023 4:50:04 GMT
You confusing your opinion with facts again Oldie! As I’ve said before, I once pretty much shared the same views. Having grown disillusioned with them as a younger person I’ve come to revile them over time. The same thing is candidly expressed by Hitchens (P). He said when he came out of Uni and met tories, capitalists etc he was shocked as he didn’t find the class hate, the manipulative souls that he thought resides there. He found most were just as nice people as he found in his Trotskyist coven, if not, more so. I’ve found similar. What was the rebellion of my youth has now flipped to the mainstream, and I’ve found myself in the reactionary/counterculture space by default. Ideas like personal responsibility, independence, family values….political father values are now eclipsed, the mood from the top has changed towards a progressive focus on social responsibility, equality of outcome, a rejection of traditional values and inter reliance (I’m trying to phrase these as positively as I can). It comes down to the principle discussed by Ayn Rand: are we our brothers keeper? Or are we individuals? It’s a fundamental difference in outlook. I don’t much fancy being a worker bee in a hive I don’t control. A hell of a lot of people merely go with the zeitgeist. Most are following the current narrative as they would have under any other system. The ideas change but there will always be the many to identify with the in-group, mainly because they want to kick the out group. As Orwell said, “imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever” Sadly I’ve seemed to find myself in the out group in both eras. And an out group of 1 on here. Still, you couldn’t define yourselves without me so I’m doing you all a favour. Can’t wait for the book 🙄 I’ll get it published in comic form with pictures so you can understand it yatton. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 8, 2023 9:35:06 GMT
I am familiar first hand with the narrative spouted by our new friend. It involves rejecting all mainstream media, rejecting anything no matter how widely reported across the world because it portrays a world view that does not fit with their views, relying instead on off-grid sources of alternative information, dismissing critics of their views as brainwashed media slaves, refusing to acknowledge that others with different views can be well informed, and generally stocking up their bunkers with baked beans and gas masks for the forthcoming apocalypse. It’s funny isn’t it. Back in Victorian England the media brainwashed everyone with the validity of conquest in foreign lands. Moving on to the early 20th century, children were indoctrinated with nationalism. They were encouraged to lay down their life for king and country. Not to mention the church, with God on our side in every conflict, one would be rewarded for their sacrifice. Moving on to more recent times, Kennedy was shot by LHO, the war in Vietnam was essential to stop the dominos of communism. Hillsborough? Sadaams super gun. But now, now we have reached the broad sunlit uplands where we can be assured everything we read is of impeccable journalistic quality. Let’s not also forget: Russia media is disinformation. Chinese media is disinformation. All those billions are brainwashed. OUR media is legit and can be trusted. Without question - if you do, you’re a survivalist conspiracy theorist. What do you think they think of you, and your media? You’re right to a certain extent but where you’re wrong is assuming there’s some alternative source. I’m very much a reader of legacy news, I just read between the lines. You’re speaking like the religious devotee who says “if you’re not religious then what then do you believe in?” I don’t believe any of it. Media of all sources is just a little story written by someone in an office reflecting their own bias and objectives. Probably the FT is my most read publication. I wouldn’t know where to get alternative news. Sometimes Twitter? That’s about it Not much to argue against there from where I sit. Interesting though that you had previously got upset with me for daring to criticise my predecessors (I wasn't I was being critical of my generation) and here you infer they were all indoctrinated with nationalism... I also note you were happy to repeat the headlines touted by those that support Thatcher's economic vision, without any analysis or context. Just the headline. I fear sir, you are guilty of your own charges. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 8, 2023 10:22:41 GMT
I am familiar first hand with the narrative spouted by our new friend. It involves rejecting all mainstream media, rejecting anything no matter how widely reported across the world because it portrays a world view that does not fit with their views, relying instead on off-grid sources of alternative information, dismissing critics of their views as brainwashed media slaves, refusing to acknowledge that others with different views can be well informed, and generally stocking up their bunkers with baked beans and gas masks for the forthcoming apocalypse. Otherwise known as a crackpot 🙄 |
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Post by oldie on Mar 8, 2023 12:01:47 GMT
I am familiar first hand with the narrative spouted by our new friend. It involves rejecting all mainstream media, rejecting anything no matter how widely reported across the world because it portrays a world view that does not fit with their views, relying instead on off-grid sources of alternative information, dismissing critics of their views as brainwashed media slaves, refusing to acknowledge that others with different views can be well informed, and generally stocking up their bunkers with baked beans and gas masks for the forthcoming apocalypse. Otherwise known as a crackpot 🙄 I don't agree Yatton. We don't win the argument by calling people crackpots. We have to address their points head on. Let's be honest, some of the views expressed are so contradictory, simplistic and hypocritical than it should be relatively easy to rebut. Other than overt racism, where we should absolutely call it, name calling gives an easy route out. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 8, 2023 12:36:08 GMT
Otherwise known as a crackpot 🙄 I don't agree Yatton. We don't win the argument by calling people crackpots. We have to address their points head on. Let's be honest, some of the views expressed are so contradictory, simplistic and hypocritical than it should be relatively easy to rebut. Other than overt racism, where we should absolutely call it, name calling gives an easy route out. That’s your way , I prefer the quick and simple method of calling a crackpot a crackpot |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 8, 2023 12:59:00 GMT
Otherwise known as a crackpot 🙄 I don't agree Yatton. We don't win the argument by calling people crackpots. We have to address their points head on. Let's be honest, some of the views expressed are so contradictory, simplistic and hypocritical than it should be relatively easy to rebut. Other than overt racism, where we should absolutely call it, name calling gives an easy route out. Difference of opinion is one thing, we are looking at deliberately antagonistic language though. I'm sure he's more than capable if he chooses. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 8, 2023 14:31:41 GMT
I don't agree Yatton. We don't win the argument by calling people crackpots. We have to address their points head on. Let's be honest, some of the views expressed are so contradictory, simplistic and hypocritical than it should be relatively easy to rebut. Other than overt racism, where we should absolutely call it, name calling gives an easy route out. Difference of opinion is one thing, we are looking at deliberately antagonistic language though. I'm sure he's more than capable if he chooses. If he wishes to engage, properly, then all will be revealed |
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Post by oldie on Mar 8, 2023 14:32:11 GMT
I don't agree Yatton. We don't win the argument by calling people crackpots. We have to address their points head on. Let's be honest, some of the views expressed are so contradictory, simplistic and hypocritical than it should be relatively easy to rebut. Other than overt racism, where we should absolutely call it, name calling gives an easy route out. That’s your way , I prefer the quick and simple method of calling a crackpot a crackpot Fair play 😂 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 9, 2023 19:02:24 GMT
Russian news telling their viewers that UK residents are so short of food that we are catching and cooking squirrels from our gardens . 😂🇬🇧
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2023 23:42:21 GMT
I don't agree Yatton. We don't win the argument by calling people crackpots. We have to address their points head on. Let's be honest, some of the views expressed are so contradictory, simplistic and hypocritical than it should be relatively easy to rebut. Other than overt racism, where we should absolutely call it, name calling gives an easy route out. That’s your way , I prefer the quick and simple method of calling a crackpot a crackpot Agree with this these days. A couple of (ex( forum members have proven that many times in this section. Those sort of people don’t seek education to inform/education an opinion, they seek articles to back up their opinion. It’s why they have to go to blogs and propaganda type websites. You can’t debate with someone like that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 10, 2023 1:00:41 GMT
Looks like Viktor Orban is softening his stance on Finnish/Swedish Nato accession while hardening his relationship with Moscow. Wonder if someone has had a quiet word?
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 12, 2023 18:38:41 GMT
Georgia 🇬🇪
"The former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, has told Sky News he is approaching death in the hospital he has been moved to from jail after claiming he was poisoned.
In a moment of rare media access, he delivered a warning to the people of Georgia after days of protests against new laws criticised as pro-Russian.
The West is closely watching what happens to Mr Saakashvili, reading it as a sign of the country's true loyalties towards Russia or Europe."
Moldova 🇲🇩
"Moldovan police have foiled a plot by Russia-backed groups trained to cause mass unrest during a protest against the government, the authority said.
An undercover agent infiltrated groups of "diversionists," among them Russian citizens, who had been promised $10,000 to create "mass disorder" to destabilize Moldova, the head of its police force told a news conference.
Viorel Cernauteanu said seven people were detained. Separately, police said 54 protestors were arrested and four bomb threats were registered.
The protest today was one in a series held against the new pro-Western government, organized by the so-called Movement for the People.
The group is backed by the Russia-friendly Shor Party, which holds six seats in Moldova's legislature and is led by a UK-sanctioned oligarch."
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 16, 2023 13:15:14 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Mar 16, 2023 13:17:17 GMT
Propaganda 🙄. Putins a good guy. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 17, 2023 16:15:42 GMT
Propaganda 🙄. Putins a good guy. Someone disagrees. 😶 "The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant on Friday against Vladimir Putin, accusing him of being responsible for war crimes committed in Ukraine. The court said in a statement that the Russian president "is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation". It also issued a warrant for the arrest for Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova, Russia's commissioner for children’s rights, on similar allegations." |
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