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Post by pirate on Feb 26, 2022 14:04:00 GMT
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Feb 26, 2022 14:04:13 GMT
FFS wise-up you Gas. This isn't about being a clever dick and spouting political theory. This topic is about Ukrainian people - people like us. Ukrainians have always been fearful of Russia because they know Russia can walk all over them, so they have been very benign and prudent. Ukrainian people are peace-loving, nature-loving, family & friends-loving, generous and kind to each other and their guests. THESE are the people we must talk about not pathetic politicians (Germany & Italy take note). One of my friends is right now queuing on the Polish border with kids, another has fled with his family to the countryside to escape the bombing, and another is......we don't know where, but lives in Kyiv. No contact. Very worried. Remember, you Gas, that Ukrainians are EUROPEANS. They have European tastes, behaviour, religions, understanding and hopes. They really love their country, not nationalistically, because it is their home. Now compare all that with the other lot. Ukrainian refugees are welcome in my house any time - they truly would enrich our lives. Well said and with heart felt passion good for you , Thanks for your support. I don't mind admitting as a 70yr man that when I went to the mem to get my ticket I suddenly burst into tears. Luckily no-one around. To go to a match when all this is going on seems just wrong.
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Post by clockendgas on Feb 26, 2022 14:22:48 GMT
Well said and with heart felt passion good for you , Thanks for your support. I don't mind admitting as a 70yr man that when I went to the mem to get my ticket I suddenly burst into tears. Luckily no-one around. To go to a match when all this is going on seems just wrong. Yes mate totally agree, I was buzzing Tuesday night couldn't wait for today but sadly football hardly seems important when you know people are dying over politics.
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Post by gaslife on Feb 26, 2022 14:47:33 GMT
It would be good if we could remember those poor people in Ukraine who have been kicked out of their homes or worse, imagine what it would be like if it was our country that was being invaded. One way football could help is by ridding the English leagues of Russian money , much of which is dirty, Abramovich got his money from the Russian state and his close ties with Putin.It appears to be difficult to find out where Demin at Bournemouth got his money. Abramovichs Grandparents were Ukranian. Just because Roman Abramovich is a ridiculously wealthy Oligarch doesn't mean he stands with Putin. It's like saying Martin Scorcese must be a rapist just because he once worked with Harvey Weinstein! Utter nonsense Not nonsense at all. Abramovich gained his $billions almost overnight at the gift of Putin. Putin makes oligarchs fabulously rich in return for 100% loyalty and to exert pro-Russian influence and soft power abroad, such as spending the Russian people's money on foreign football clubs and London property. Having some Ukrainian heritage will not change who Abramovich is ultimately loyal to to i.e. Putin. Abramovich should be sanctioned.
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Post by gaslife on Feb 26, 2022 15:02:20 GMT
I think there’s a lot more to this situation than it just being a case of “Putin bad, Ukraine good”. People are looking at this very simplistically, but ignoring the wider context. The elected (broadly pro-Russian) government of Ukraine was ousted in 2014 by what was basically a coup, backed by the US & EU. Historically speaking, the south and east of Ukraine have seen themselves as closer to Russia, whilst the west and north have wanted closer ties to Europe & the West. As a result of the govt being toppled, pro-Russian separatists in southern and eastern Ukraine started clashing with the Ukrainian military and have been fighting them for the last 8 years, backed by aid from Russia, while the present Ukrainian govt have been backed by the Americans and the EU; they’ve also been trying to join the EU & NATO, which quite understandably has made the Russians nervous, as since it’s inception there has always been the buffer of countries like Poland, Ukraine, Belarus etc between NATO & the old USSR/Russian Federation. All of a sudden the balance changes and NATO is right on their doorstep! I’m not excusing the military actions in Ukraine, but it’s not as simple as people are making it out to be. Most of the above is nonsense - sad that so many in UK have sucked up Kremlin propaganda and prepared to regurgitate on forums it as if it was factual. Putin's openly imperialistic ambitions are well documented, his overriding fear is not NATO but pure and simply losing power in Russia, losing his fabulous wealth hidden away tax-havens and shell companies around the world. A free, prosperous, European Ukraine will show Russians how they also could live. Putin fears being overthrown and killed by Russians. He has underestimated Ukrainians and growing anti-Putin sentiment in Russia. This ill conceived adventure could and should be the start of the end of Putin, good riddance.
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 26, 2022 15:18:09 GMT
Abramovichs Grandparents were Ukranian. Just because Roman Abramovich is a ridiculously wealthy Oligarch doesn't mean he stands with Putin. It's like saying Martin Scorcese must be a rapist just because he once worked with Harvey Weinstein! Utter nonsense Not nonsense at all. Abramovich gained his $billions almost overnight at the gift of Putin. Putin makes oligarchs fabulously rich in return for 100% loyalty and to exert pro-Russian influence and soft power abroad, such as spending the Russian people's money on foreign football clubs and London property. Having some Ukrainian heritage will not change who Abramovich is ultimately loyal to to i.e. Putin. Abramovich should be sanctioned. Yes it is nonsense. Where have you and the others banging this drum been the last 20 years, Abramovich has been here? Regardless of his wealth, Roman Abramovich has nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine. So to all of a sudden say Abramovich should be sanctioned, is absolute nonsense
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 26, 2022 15:21:03 GMT
I think there’s a lot more to this situation than it just being a case of “Putin bad, Ukraine good”. People are looking at this very simplistically, but ignoring the wider context. The elected (broadly pro-Russian) government of Ukraine was ousted in 2014 by what was basically a coup, backed by the US & EU. Historically speaking, the south and east of Ukraine have seen themselves as closer to Russia, whilst the west and north have wanted closer ties to Europe & the West. As a result of the govt being toppled, pro-Russian separatists in southern and eastern Ukraine started clashing with the Ukrainian military and have been fighting them for the last 8 years, backed by aid from Russia, while the present Ukrainian govt have been backed by the Americans and the EU; they’ve also been trying to join the EU & NATO, which quite understandably has made the Russians nervous, as since it’s inception there has always been the buffer of countries like Poland, Ukraine, Belarus etc between NATO & the old USSR/Russian Federation. All of a sudden the balance changes and NATO is right on their doorstep! I’m not excusing the military actions in Ukraine, but it’s not as simple as people are making it out to be. Most of the above is nonsense - sad that so many in UK have sucked up Kremlin propaganda and prepared to regurgitate on forums it as if it was factual. Putin's openly imperialistic ambitions are well documented, his overriding fear is not NATO but pure and simply losing power in Russia, losing his fabulous wealth hidden away tax-havens and shell companies around the world. A free, prosperous, European Ukraine will show Russians how they also could live. Putin fears being overthrown and killed by Russians. He has underestimated Ukrainians and growing anti-Putin sentiment in Russia. This ill conceived adventure could and should be the start of the end of Putin, good riddance. You've been sucked in by Kremlin propaganda, by the sounds of it. I posted earlier what Roman Abramovichs daughter posted on her Instagram, saying dont believe the Kremlin propaganda. Yep, So loyal to Putin!
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Post by gaslife on Feb 26, 2022 17:30:39 GMT
Not nonsense at all. Abramovich gained his $billions almost overnight at the gift of Putin. Putin makes oligarchs fabulously rich in return for 100% loyalty and to exert pro-Russian influence and soft power abroad, such as spending the Russian people's money on foreign football clubs and London property. Having some Ukrainian heritage will not change who Abramovich is ultimately loyal to to i.e. Putin. Abramovich should be sanctioned. Yes it is nonsense. Where have you and the others banging this drum been the last 20 years, Abramovich has been here? Regardless of his wealth, Roman Abramovich has nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine. So to all of a sudden say Abramovich should be sanctioned, is absolute nonsense Believe me I and numerous other have been 'banging the drum' about Putin, Abramovich et al over the last 20 years though not on football forums. Even this government so blatantly corrupted by Russian money has indirectly 'sanctioned' Abramovich using the laws of illegally gained wealth which has effectively cancelled his UK visa entitlement. If an Instagram post by a young relative is enough to get a criminal off the hook then we are in a very dangerous place. These are serious times, all Putin's cronies and enablers are in the spotlight as they should have been years ago, better late than never.
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Post by herbertblake on Feb 26, 2022 18:09:50 GMT
Glad Lance Cook did not play From Russia with love and opted for In the Army now!
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Post by gaslife on Feb 26, 2022 19:06:58 GMT
Yes it is nonsense. Where have you and the others banging this drum been the last 20 years, Abramovich has been here? Regardless of his wealth, Roman Abramovich has nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine. So to all of a sudden say Abramovich should be sanctioned, is absolute nonsense Believe me I and numerous other have been 'banging the drum' about Putin, Abramovich et al over the last 20 years though not on football forums. Even this government so blatantly corrupted by Russian money has indirectly 'sanctioned' Abramovich using the laws of illegally gained wealth which has effectively cancelled his UK visa entitlement. If an Instagram post by a young relative is enough to get a criminal off the hook then we are in a very dangerous place. These are serious times, all Putin's cronies and enablers are in the spotlight as they should have been years ago, better late than never. Abramovich has tonight handed over the keys to Stamford Bridge and sailed off into the sunset in one of his 'hard earned' super yachts. He sees the writing on the wall. Do svidaniya.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 26, 2022 19:52:36 GMT
Believe me I and numerous other have been 'banging the drum' about Putin, Abramovich et al over the last 20 years though not on football forums. Even this government so blatantly corrupted by Russian money has indirectly 'sanctioned' Abramovich using the laws of illegally gained wealth which has effectively cancelled his UK visa entitlement. If an Instagram post by a young relative is enough to get a criminal off the hook then we are in a very dangerous place. These are serious times, all Putin's cronies and enablers are in the spotlight as they should have been years ago, better late than never. Abramovich has tonight handed over the keys to Stamford Bridge and sailed off into the sunset in one of his 'hard earned' super yachts. He sees the writing on the wall. Do svidaniya. I'm not a fan of Abramovich, but he's done that to protect Chelsea.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 26, 2022 23:10:54 GMT
Abramovich has tonight handed over the keys to Stamford Bridge and sailed off into the sunset in one of his 'hard earned' super yachts. He sees the writing on the wall. Do svidaniya. I'm not a fan of Abramovich, but he's done that to protect Chelsea. Doubt it protects Chelsea Tilly. He’s still the owner and it remains one of his assets if the UK government goes after his assets or freezes them. He’s given ‘stewardship’ to the Chelsea foundation, whatever that means. It’s just muddied the waters I think. UTG!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 26, 2022 23:33:06 GMT
Thanks for your support. I don't mind admitting as a 70yr man that when I went to the mem to get my ticket I suddenly burst into tears. Luckily no-one around. To go to a match when all this is going on seems just wrong. Yes mate totally agree, I was buzzing Tuesday night couldn't wait for today but sadly football hardly seems important when you know people are dying over politics. Its terrible ! I felt the same the same when America and Britain were doing the same in Iraq 🇮🇶
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Post by mftc on Feb 27, 2022 12:30:06 GMT
Good to see teams and fans showing their support on MotD and Quest.
I guess we must have some supporters from Ukraine and Russia. (Let's remember, if they come from Russia it doesn't mean they want anything at all to do with another senseless futile war). They should not be treated as guilty by association.
I am not sure if Rovers have done anything regarding this isue and in the scheme of things, it is pretty meaningless, and maybe wishful thinking, but it would be good if the club or the CT reached out to people of both countries, maybe offering free tickets, to show solidarity.
There are no doubt people suffering within the wider Bristol community and in some small way it shows we are united in sport and thinking of them and their loved ones.
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 27, 2022 13:13:46 GMT
I'm not a fan of Abramovich, but he's done that to protect Chelsea. Doubt it protects Chelsea Tilly. He’s still the owner and it remains one of his assets if the UK government goes after his assets or freezes them. He’s given ‘stewardship’ to the Chelsea foundation, whatever that means. It’s just muddied the waters I think. UTG! The Chelsea Foundation is basically a collective of other boardroom members. Bruce Buck who is Chairman, Sir Hugh Robertson who was Minister Of The Olympics and Emma Hayes, the brilliant manager of Chelsea Womans Team. Amongst others There really is nothing to see here. Chelsea will not suffer at all.
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Post by oldie on Feb 27, 2022 13:16:19 GMT
Doubt it protects Chelsea Tilly. He’s still the owner and it remains one of his assets if the UK government goes after his assets or freezes them. He’s given ‘stewardship’ to the Chelsea foundation, whatever that means. It’s just muddied the waters I think. UTG! The Chelsea Foundation is basically a collective of other boardroom members. Bruce Buck who is Chairman, Sir Hugh Robertson who was Minister Of The Olympics and Emma Hayes, the brilliant manager of Chelsea Womans Team. Amongst others There really is nothing to see here. Chelsea will not suffer at all. Ummm....cash flow?
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 27, 2022 13:48:55 GMT
The Chelsea Foundation is basically a collective of other boardroom members. Bruce Buck who is Chairman, Sir Hugh Robertson who was Minister Of The Olympics and Emma Hayes, the brilliant manager of Chelsea Womans Team. Amongst others There really is nothing to see here. Chelsea will not suffer at all. Ummm....cash flow? Chelsea are pretty much self sufficient these days. The signing of players is funded by the selling of players. Prize money from consistently winning Trophies, the current European Champions. Plenty of huge sponsorship deals. If push comes to shove, Abramovich will just sell to an even richer person. Jim Ratcliffe, Britains richest man has been interested in buying Chelsea for a while. Chelsea will be absolutely fine
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 27, 2022 13:50:25 GMT
Any “Putin is a w.@nker” chants yesterday?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 27, 2022 14:05:02 GMT
Chelsea are pretty much self sufficient these days. The signing of players is funded by the selling of players. Prize money from consistently winning Trophies, the current European Champions. Plenty of huge sponsorship deals. If push comes to shove, Abramovich will just sell to an even richer person. Jim Ratcliffe, Britains richest man has been interested in buying Chelsea for a while. Chelsea will be absolutely fine Given Chelsea are £1.5billion in debt how can they be self sufficient, as wouldn't just the annual interest payments wipe out any TV income? I'm surprised the owners not on the Government hit list, given he's such an high profile Russian. I guess that's what he's worried about hence he's trying to now distance himself from running Chelsea.
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Post by oldie on Feb 27, 2022 14:32:38 GMT
Chelsea are pretty much self sufficient these days. The signing of players is funded by the selling of players. Prize money from consistently winning Trophies, the current European Champions. Plenty of huge sponsorship deals. If push comes to shove, Abramovich will just sell to an even richer person. Jim Ratcliffe, Britains richest man has been interested in buying Chelsea for a while. Chelsea will be absolutely fine Given Chelsea are £1.5billion in debt how can they be self sufficient, as wouldn't just the annual interest payments wipe out any TV income? I'm surprised the owners not on the Government hit list, given he's such an high profile Russian. I guess that's what he's worried about hence he's trying to now distance himself from running Chelsea. Indeed Indeed www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59827141
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