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Post by supergas on May 6, 2023 5:09:07 GMT
How do you know how much voter fraud there is when no ID was previously required? People could (and I have done in the past) literally pointed to my name on their list of eligible voters - I voted under my name but did everyone? Also I assume bus passes require the same level of ID to obtain as 60+ Oyster cards do, so the reason they are valid ID to vote is because to get one you have already proven your identity to the required level. Student travel passes don't normally require the same levels of ID to obtain.... In your opinion, what’s the bigger issue? People not being able to vote because of the new law, or voter fraud? That's exactly the kind of thing the Electoral Commission will be judging in the coming weeks. Let's not forget all these changes were well publicised many months in advance, so ignorance is unlikely to be a key finding... ...I guess the biggest problem convincing people this has worked is that those who may have been doing it and getting away with it for years will now just stop doing it....but it is worth remembering this change just brings us in line with lots of other countries - Argentina, Brazil, Canada, France, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, *Northern Ireland*, 14 US States and lots of other countries that already have similar voter ID laws in place... ...I almost forgot your actual question. IMO I think there are people taking advantage of the current system. When you start looking for it there are a lot more claims about people doing this than their are investigations/convictions. Given that if you need free ID you can get it, there is nothing stopping anyone from casting their vote, but this will stop people casting other people's votes.... |
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Post by oldie on May 6, 2023 7:11:38 GMT
In your opinion, what’s the bigger issue? People not being able to vote because of the new law, or voter fraud? That's exactly the kind of thing the Electoral Commission will be judging in the coming weeks. Let's not forget all these changes were well publicised many months in advance, so ignorance is unlikely to be a key finding... ...I guess the biggest problem convincing people this has worked is that those who may have been doing it and getting away with it for years will now just stop doing it....but it is worth remembering this change just brings us in line with lots of other countries - Argentina, Brazil, Canada, France, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, *Northern Ireland*, 14 US States and lots of other countries that already have similar voter ID laws in place... ...I almost forgot your actual question. IMO I think there are people taking advantage of the current system. When you start looking for it there are a lot more claims about people doing this than their are investigations/convictions. Given that if you need free ID you can get it, there is nothing stopping anyone from casting their vote, but this will stop people casting other people's votes.... This will be a non issue in so far as people who want to vote will vote. I think the bigger issue is how many will just say "sod that" and not bother as a consequence. Participation is not fantastic in any event, the local election for example have well under 50% participation on average. National elections that achieve 70%+ are deemed a success, thich illuminating in itself. If participation rates go into steady decline, with wide differences between age groups and ethnicity, then this measure will be seen as more dangerous to our functioning democracy than an unproven and therefore most likely small number of fraudulent votes. |
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Post by Gassy on May 6, 2023 17:00:01 GMT
That's exactly the kind of thing the Electoral Commission will be judging in the coming weeks. Let's not forget all these changes were well publicised many months in advance, so ignorance is unlikely to be a key finding... ...I guess the biggest problem convincing people this has worked is that those who may have been doing it and getting away with it for years will now just stop doing it....but it is worth remembering this change just brings us in line with lots of other countries - Argentina, Brazil, Canada, France, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Namibia, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, *Northern Ireland*, 14 US States and lots of other countries that already have similar voter ID laws in place... ...I almost forgot your actual question. IMO I think there are people taking advantage of the current system. When you start looking for it there are a lot more claims about people doing this than their are investigations/convictions. Given that if you need free ID you can get it, there is nothing stopping anyone from casting their vote, but this will stop people casting other people's votes.... Participation is not fantastic in any event, the local election for example have well under 50% participation on average. National elections that achieve 70%+ are deemed a success, thich illuminating in itself. If participation rates go into steady decline, with wide differences between age groups and ethnicity, then this measure will be seen as more dangerous to our functioning democracy than an unproven and therefore most likely small number of fraudulent votes. Agree with this, very much. Personally, I'd bring in rules like Australia have that its the law to vote (I think its Australia, anyway). But tbf, that opens up a whole other can of worms |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 6, 2023 17:02:04 GMT
This will be a non issue in so far as people who want to vote will vote. I think the bigger issue is how many will just say "sod that" and not bother as a consequence. Participation is not fantastic in any event, the local election for example have well under 50% participation on average. National elections that achieve 70%+ are deemed a success, thich illuminating in itself. If participation rates go into steady decline, with wide differences between age groups and ethnicity, then this measure will be seen as more dangerous to our functioning democracy than an unproven and therefore most likely small number of fraudulent votes. Agree with this, very much. Personally, I'd bring in rules like Australia have that its the law to vote (I think its Australia, anyway). But tbf, that opens up a whole other can of worms Compulsory voting but with an added "None of the above" option. 😉 |
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Post by Gassy on May 6, 2023 17:57:54 GMT
Agree with this, very much. Personally, I'd bring in rules like Australia have that its the law to vote (I think its Australia, anyway). But tbf, that opens up a whole other can of worms Compulsory voting but with an added "None of the above" option. 😉 Tbf spoiling the ballot MUST be an option IMO. Artificial choices are worse than not voting at all |
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Post by yattongas on May 7, 2023 14:33:37 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on May 7, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
The purpose of this share is? |
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Post by yattongas on May 7, 2023 19:05:29 GMT
The purpose of this share is? To wind up flag shaggers like you . Come on Simon , you know the game 🙄 |
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Post by gashead79 on May 7, 2023 19:29:46 GMT
The purpose of this share is? To wind up flag shaggers like you . Come on Simon , you know the game 🙄 Ok, thats good. |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2023 19:34:06 GMT
The purpose of this share is? to highlight the contrast between people who might protest legally but were arrested and those with contempt for their environment who came to celebrate the coronation and left it like that. Perhaps? |
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Post by yattongas on May 7, 2023 19:50:06 GMT
To wind up flag shaggers like you . Come on Simon , you know the game 🙄 Ok, thats good. Glad you accept it . Just like I accepted you jumping on an innocuous post saying i ‘bet’ we finish above the other promoted sides this season . You jumped on it and made it a proper bet knowing full well it was 3/1 in your favour and it was a flippant comment. I’d forgotten about it but within minutes of the season ending you were on here claiming victory . A sad act 😂 More than happy to pay up though but think it highlights perfectly the measure of the man (you) 🙄🇬🇧 |
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Post by gashead79 on May 7, 2023 19:55:34 GMT
The purpose of this share is? to highlight the contrast between people who might protest legally but were arrested and those with contempt for their environment who came to celebrate the coronation and left it like that. Perhaps? You're stretching a bit! That's also not what the poster advertises.. It just looks like more divisive nonsense which serves zero purpose. The area was immaculate today btw. Protest legally? There were plenty of protesters there yesterday who had a large section of trafalgar square to shout and ball. They seemed to be enjoying the day like everybody else🤷♂️ This twitter video isn't that. It's just a saddo looking for likes and stoking controversy that doesn't really exist. |
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Post by gashead79 on May 7, 2023 19:57:22 GMT
Glad you accept it . Just like I accepted you jumping on an innocuous post saying i ‘bet’ we finish above the other promoted sides this season . You jumped on it and made it a proper bet knowing full well it was 3/1 in your favour and it was a flippant comment. I’d forgotten about it but within minutes of the season ending you were on here claiming victory . A sad act 😂 More than happy to pay up though but think it highlights perfectly the measure of the man (you) 🙄🇬🇧 Seriously? That's a shame but if you really feel that way I'll stick your tenner in myself. You are way off! Have a fuck1ng word with yourself. |
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Post by yattongas on May 7, 2023 20:00:18 GMT
Glad you accept it . Just like I accepted you jumping on an innocuous post saying i ‘bet’ we finish above the other promoted sides this season . You jumped on it and made it a proper bet knowing full well it was 3/1 in your favour and it was a flippant comment. I’d forgotten about it but within minutes of the season ending you were on here claiming victory . A sad act 😂 More than happy to pay up though but think it highlights perfectly the measure of the man (you) 🙄🇬🇧 Seriously? That's a shame but if you really feel that way I'll stick your tenner in myself. You are way off! Have a fuck1ng word with yourself. Are you getting angry again Simon ? Tut tut . I said I’d pay up 🙄 |
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Post by gashead79 on May 7, 2023 20:34:02 GMT
Seriously? That's a shame but if you really feel that way I'll stick your tenner in myself. You are way off! Have a fuck1ng word with yourself. Are you getting angry again Simon ? Tut tut . I said I’d pay up 🙄 No, not angry. This is a chat forum so I don't understand why anybody would get upset or angry from words of strangers. Interestingly though, this reply and your 'claiming victory' remark is telling of how your brain works. It's a shame you feel this way tbh, but I'd suggest trying not to score petty moral points on me, and just pay up and be a reasonable human🤷♂️ Ultimately, do what the feck you like as it doesn't affect anybody on gaschat, certainly not me. |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2023 20:41:29 GMT
to highlight the contrast between people who might protest legally but were arrested and those with contempt for their environment who came to celebrate the coronation and left it like that. Perhaps? You're stretching a bit! That's also not what the poster advertises.. It just looks like more divisive nonsense which serves zero purpose. The area was immaculate today btw. Protest legally? There were plenty of protesters there yesterday who had a large section of trafalgar square to shout and ball. They seemed to be enjoying the day like everybody else🤷♂️ This twitter video isn't that. It's just a saddo looking for likes and stoking controversy that doesn't really exist. You made me look again. But yes, the video shows abandoned tents and detritus spread everywhere. Which is a breach. As for the arrests, I never thought I would see the day that police in this country would arrest people for threatening to protest peacefully. What have we become...my god |
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Post by yattongas on May 7, 2023 20:54:41 GMT
Are you getting angry again Simon ? Tut tut . I said I’d pay up 🙄 No, not angry. This is a chat forum so I don't understand why anybody would get upset or angry from words of strangers. Interestingly though, this reply and your 'claiming victory' remark is telling of how your brain works. It's a shame you feel this way tbh, but I'd suggest trying not to score petty moral points on me, and just pay up and be a reasonable human🤷♂️ Ultimately, do what the feck you like as it doesn't affect anybody on gaschat, certainly not me. Not angry but you were up for a fight a few days ago as I wouldn’t have the ‘nerve’ to say something to your face ! 😂 I’ve already say I’d pay up 🙄 Chill Simon , you won 😀 |
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Post by aghast on May 7, 2023 22:58:01 GMT
You're stretching a bit! That's also not what the poster advertises.. It just looks like more divisive nonsense which serves zero purpose. The area was immaculate today btw. Protest legally? There were plenty of protesters there yesterday who had a large section of trafalgar square to shout and ball. They seemed to be enjoying the day like everybody else🤷♂️ This twitter video isn't that. It's just a saddo looking for likes and stoking controversy that doesn't really exist. You made me look again. But yes, the video shows abandoned tents and detritus spread everywhere. Which is a breach. As for the arrests, I never thought I would see the day that police in this country would arrest people for threatening to protest peacefully. What have we become...my god Human rights and British law were suspended for several hours because the powers that be felt it was absolutely necessary to make sure nothing happened to spoil the day. If that meant taking lawful demonstrators off the streets for a while, then so be it. A very dangerous path to tread and one that China and Russia would recognise well. It's been done now, and it will be done again, and again. We've lost a bit of our soul and our democracy. I hope those responsible are investigated and brought to account for their actions. I see there are already attempts to say it was the action of individual police officers, and not a police or government policy. To which I say 'was it hell'. This had been very carefully considered beforehand. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 8, 2023 8:22:35 GMT
You made me look again. But yes, the video shows abandoned tents and detritus spread everywhere. Which is a breach. As for the arrests, I never thought I would see the day that police in this country would arrest people for threatening to protest peacefully. What have we become...my god Human rights and British law were suspended for several hours because the powers that be felt it was absolutely necessary to make sure nothing happened to spoil the day. If that meant taking lawful demonstrators off the streets for a while, then so be it. A very dangerous path to tread and one that China and Russia would recognise well. It's been done now, and it will be done again, and again. We've lost a bit of our soul and our democracy. I hope those responsible are investigated and brought to account for their actions. I see there are already attempts to say it was the action of individual police officers, and not a police or government policy. To which I say 'was it hell'. This had been very carefully considered beforehand. Probably a bit of both. It's not the first time these things have happened. |
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Post by gashead79 on May 8, 2023 8:23:16 GMT
No, not angry. This is a chat forum so I don't understand why anybody would get upset or angry from words of strangers. Interestingly though, this reply and your 'claiming victory' remark is telling of how your brain works. It's a shame you feel this way tbh, but I'd suggest trying not to score petty moral points on me, and just pay up and be a reasonable human🤷♂️ Ultimately, do what the feck you like as it doesn't affect anybody on gaschat, certainly not me. Not angry but you were up for a fight a few days ago as I wouldn’t have the ‘nerve’ to say something to your face ! 😂 I’ve already say I’d pay up 🙄 Chill Simon , you won 😀 Shock, more lies. It's like watching the worlds worst WUM trying to get bites! 😆 |
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