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Post by supergas on Dec 14, 2023 3:06:31 GMT
There seems a huge amount of discontent with the bunch of crooks currently ruining this country. Unless the voting system is changed, there is only one way to rid yourselves of the Tories and that is tactical voting. Whichever party has the best chance of unseating a Tory, then vote for it, irrespective of whether you are Labour or Lib Dem. ...vote for the person you want to represent you. Don't vote for someone just so someone else doesn't win... ...otherwise what is the point? |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 6:11:39 GMT
There seems a huge amount of discontent with the bunch of crooks currently ruining this country. Unless the voting system is changed, there is only one way to rid yourselves of the Tories and that is tactical voting. Whichever party has the best chance of unseating a Tory, then vote for it, irrespective of whether you are Labour or Lib Dem. ...vote for the person you want to represent you. Don't vote for someone just so someone else doesn't win... ...otherwise what is the point? Because you really really don’t want ‘that’ someone to represent you . Ie the Tory. I’ll be voting tactically ( not that it ever makes a difference in North Somerset 🙄😂) |
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Post by supergas on Dec 14, 2023 9:15:31 GMT
...vote for the person you want to represent you. Don't vote for someone just so someone else doesn't win... ...otherwise what is the point? Because you really really don’t want ‘that’ someone to represent you . Ie the Tory. I’ll be voting tactically ( not that it ever makes a difference in North Somerset 🙄😂) ...whoever wins represents you, but your vote has more importance than who wins the seat and becomes your MP... ...for example, huge decisions on policy and donations are made based on the votes cast for smaller parties - if you vote for someone else, you potentially affect the funding and the policies of the party you really support for the next electoral cycle. This also affects Short Money paid to opposition parties throughout the next electoral cycle - and great candidates for MPs who are just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time might decide to do other things, meaning we lose people who would be great MPs in the future.... |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 9:46:02 GMT
Because you really really don’t want ‘that’ someone to represent you . Ie the Tory. I’ll be voting tactically ( not that it ever makes a difference in North Somerset 🙄😂) ...whoever wins represents you, but your vote has more importance than who wins the seat and becomes your MP... ...for example, huge decisions on policy and donations are made based on the votes cast for smaller parties - if you vote for someone else, you potentially affect the funding and the policies of the party you really support for the next electoral cycle. This also affects Short Money paid to opposition parties throughout the next electoral cycle - and great candidates for MPs who are just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time might decide to do other things, meaning we lose people who would be great MPs in the future.... Thanks 🙏 I’ll still be voting tactically. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 14, 2023 9:53:32 GMT
Because you really really don’t want ‘that’ someone to represent you . Ie the Tory. I’ll be voting tactically ( not that it ever makes a difference in North Somerset 🙄😂) ...whoever wins represents you, but your vote has more importance than who wins the seat and becomes your MP... ...for example, huge decisions on policy and donations are made based on the votes cast for smaller parties - if you vote for someone else, you potentially affect the funding and the policies of the party you really support for the next electoral cycle. This also affects Short Money paid to opposition parties throughout the next electoral cycle - and great candidates for MPs who are just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time might decide to do other things, meaning we lose people who would be great MPs in the future.... Nice theory Like Yatton I shall vote tactically as well. It worked at the last local elections and we ousted the previous Tory majority. National Election is going to be more difficult however. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 14, 2023 10:29:58 GMT
...whoever wins represents you, but your vote has more importance than who wins the seat and becomes your MP... ...for example, huge decisions on policy and donations are made based on the votes cast for smaller parties - if you vote for someone else, you potentially affect the funding and the policies of the party you really support for the next electoral cycle. This also affects Short Money paid to opposition parties throughout the next electoral cycle - and great candidates for MPs who are just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time might decide to do other things, meaning we lose people who would be great MPs in the future.... Thanks 🙏 I’ll still be voting tactically. I'd expect nothing less, it's a free country and you can do what you think is best... Hope your tactical vote works and your constituency elects the lesser of two evils - and if you vote for someone you don't really support I hope it doesn't damage the candidate/party you really do support too much in the longer term.... |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 14, 2023 11:11:24 GMT
I want Labour to represent me at the national level. If Labour winning means I have to vote Lib Dem, then its a win: I am represented by the party I want.
Doesn't make a difference for me anyway, I'm in a Labour stronghold
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Post by supergas on Dec 14, 2023 11:22:18 GMT
I want Labour to represent me at the national level. If Labour winning means I have to vote Lib Dem, then its a win: I am represented by the party I want. Doesn't make a difference for me anyway, I'm in a Labour stronghold ...all well and good since Labour will form the government after the next election - electorally you will get the overall result you want. My point was people voting tactically will sometimes skew results - and that could lead to changes in candidates, policies and funding/donations for the party they actually support but didn't vote for.... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2023 13:29:52 GMT
I want Labour to represent me at the national level. If Labour winning means I have to vote Lib Dem, then its a win: I am represented by the party I want. Doesn't make a difference for me anyway, I'm in a Labour stronghold ...all well and good since Labour will form the government after the next election - electorally you will get the overall result you want. My point was people voting tactically will sometimes skew results - and that could lead to changes in candidates, policies and funding/donations for the party they actually support but didn't vote for.... That's not really how things work in practice, candidates are chosen by the local party and funding is pretty much voluntary donations direct to the big parties. Certainly it wouldn't work for independent candidates with no party machine behind them. I'd back no direct donations, with funding going centrally and some allocated to smaller parties. As Gassy pointed out, if a vote prevents the main rival from picking up a seat that makes your choice at national level more likely. Just look at the last GE when the Brexit Party stood down candidates in Conservative majority seats. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 15:04:59 GMT
It’s interesting subject tactical voting . Most of the talking heads think the Tories could be reduced to something like 12-170 seats I think. Carol Vorderman and the tactical voting mob think they can help to get it down to just 70 seats. That’s almost wipe out territory.
She’s pretty good with numbers so I’m led to believe, so let’s hope she’s right !!
Im def taking the next day off work and every time one of the particularly awful Tory loons loses their seat I’m gonna down a shot. 🥃😀👍
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 14, 2023 15:43:54 GMT
It’s interesting subject tactical voting . Most of the talking heads think the Tories could be reduced to something like 12-170 seats I think. Carol Vorderman and the tactical voting mob think they can help to get it down to just 70 seats. That’s almost wipe out territory. She’s pretty good with numbers so I’m led to believe, so let’s hope she’s right !! Im def taking the next day off work and every time one of the particularly awful Tory loons loses their seat I’m gonna down a shot. 🥃😀👍 Let's remember we need a strong opposition whomever that may be to hold the government of the day to account. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 15:46:46 GMT
It’s interesting subject tactical voting . Most of the talking heads think the Tories could be reduced to something like 12-170 seats I think. Carol Vorderman and the tactical voting mob think they can help to get it down to just 70 seats. That’s almost wipe out territory. She’s pretty good with numbers so I’m led to believe, so let’s hope she’s right !! Im def taking the next day off work and every time one of the particularly awful Tory loons loses their seat I’m gonna down a shot. 🥃😀👍 Let's remember we need a strong opposition whomever that may be to hold the government of the day to account. Normally I’d agree but I would really like this awful government to be wiped out…..and it’d be no more than they deserved. I was going to list some of those that I’d really like to lose their seats because they’re so damn awful but there’s too bloody many ! 😂 |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 14, 2023 15:53:13 GMT
Let's remember we need a strong opposition whomever that may be to hold the government of the day to account. Normally I’d agree but I would really like this awful government to be wiped out…..and it’d be no more than they deserved. I was going to list some of those that I’d really like to lose their seats because they’re so damn awful but there’s too bloody many ! 😂 I agree on that specific desire however,taking a longer view no opposition often results in poor government and that's the last thing we need |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 16:00:37 GMT
Normally I’d agree but I would really like this awful government to be wiped out…..and it’d be no more than they deserved. I was going to list some of those that I’d really like to lose their seats because they’re so damn awful but there’s too bloody many ! 😂 I agree on that specific desire however,taking a longer view no opposition often results in poor government and that's the last thing we need Maybe but hopefully out of power and decimated after a drubbing the Tory party reinvents itself into a normal party again. Instead of a bunch of complete headbangers that they currently are . Unfortunately I think they’ll lurch even further to the right under the leadership of someone even more awful. Let’s be honest , this lot and the membership are really just Ukip. A bunch of sad old racists who would like to take the country back to the 1950’s . |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 16:08:49 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2023 16:28:39 GMT
I agree on that specific desire however,taking a longer view no opposition often results in poor government and that's the last thing we need Maybe but hopefully out of power and decimated after a drubbing the Tory party reinvents itself into a normal party again. Instead of a bunch of complete headbangers that they currently are . Unfortunately I think they’ll lurch even further to the right under the leadership of someone even more awful. Let’s be honest , this lot and the membership are really just Ukip. A bunch of sad old racists who would like to take the country back to the 1950’s . Do you have a split between loons and safe seats? My concern is that the Conservatives will actually be left with proportionately more ERG/New Conservatives than One Nation and end up more Reform-lite. |
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Post by francegas on Dec 14, 2023 16:48:25 GMT
Where on earth did you find that? |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 16:49:32 GMT
Maybe but hopefully out of power and decimated after a drubbing the Tory party reinvents itself into a normal party again. Instead of a bunch of complete headbangers that they currently are . Unfortunately I think they’ll lurch even further to the right under the leadership of someone even more awful. Let’s be honest , this lot and the membership are really just Ukip. A bunch of sad old racists who would like to take the country back to the 1950’s . Do you have a split between loons and safe seats? My concern is that the Conservatives will actually be left with proportionately more ERG/New Conservatives than One Nation and end up more Reform-lite. I’m not sure which MP’s the biggest majorities, apart from I know that Braverman and Truss have very safe seats . That’s a bit too nerdy for me, needs an expert like Super on the case ! 😀 |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2023 16:50:08 GMT
Where on earth did you find that? It wasn’t you then ? 😂 |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 14, 2023 16:50:59 GMT
I agree on that specific desire however,taking a longer view no opposition often results in poor government and that's the last thing we need Maybe but hopefully out of power and decimated after a drubbing the Tory party reinvents itself into a normal party again. Instead of a bunch of complete headbangers that they currently are . Unfortunately I think they’ll lurch even further to the right under the leadership of someone even more awful. Let’s be honest , this lot and the membership are really just Ukip. A bunch of sad old racists who would like to take the country back to the 1950’s . Agreed,that guy John Francois or whatever is name is an absolute c.ck,the Tory leadership of 30/40 years look positively left wing!! |
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