Marshy
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Post by Marshy on Jan 31, 2024 9:10:25 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned here or on other threads but a couple of interesting documents have appeared on the planning application for the new stand since I last looked a couple of months ago. Firstly CIL (Community Infrastructure Levy) - the council's 'charge' for 'allowing' us to build the stand was £147k, paid in full last week (and the only reason I mention it was paid in full is there was the option to split it into four instalments over 18 months, so clearly we don't have any immediate cashflow issues...) Then there's the unilateral undertakings, including the club paying £12k for improvements to bus stops on Filton Avenue, £4k for new signs between the overall site and Ashley Down station, £25k for any potential new waiting/parking schemes (which may or may not arise from the £6k travel monitoring scheme) and £5k for new trees to be planted within one mile of the site. There's also an interesting map included....it doesn't seem to relate directly to anything mentioned earlier in the document, but potentially a new entrance/exit to the ground once Ashley Down station opens? View AttachmentHow can all of these bills been paid, we haven’t got any money! 😊 |
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Post by simmo147 on Jan 31, 2024 9:10:33 GMT
Is that the old Alton Road entrance marked? Opening an entrance on the south side of the ground would be a massive bonus once Ashley Down opens and would mean you could walk it in probably 10mins and knock off a good 5 or 6mins and spread supporter flow. As someone who will be using that station, would love that to be the plan
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Post by Quarters on Jan 31, 2024 9:20:42 GMT
Is that the old Alton Road entrance marked? Opening an entrance on the south side of the ground would be a massive bonus once Ashley Down opens and would mean you could walk it in probably 10mins and knock off a good 5 or 6mins and spread supporter flow. As someone who will be using that station, would love that to be the plan No not the Alton Rd entrance. Looks like House number 55 with the area behind all the houses. No idea who owns that area. |
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Post by buktaboy on Jan 31, 2024 9:26:05 GMT
Is that the old Alton Road entrance marked? Opening an entrance on the south side of the ground would be a massive bonus once Ashley Down opens and would mean you could walk it in probably 10mins and knock off a good 5 or 6mins and spread supporter flow. As someone who will be using that station, would love that to be the plan If the map's right, then it looks like Downend Road. Think there's houses all along there though, so not sure how they'd put in a new entrance/exit. The map seems to line up with 53A, which looks like a small house built in the gap between 51 and 53. Perhaps the plan is to knock it down, anyone know if we own it? (or any houses on that street?) |
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Post by supergas on Jan 31, 2024 9:26:16 GMT
Is that the old Alton Road entrance marked? Opening an entrance on the south side of the ground would be a massive bonus once Ashley Down opens and would mean you could walk it in probably 10mins and knock off a good 5 or 6mins and spread supporter flow. As someone who will be using that station, would love that to be the plan No not the Alton Rd entrance. Looks like House number 55 with the area behind all the houses. No idea who owns that area. That area between the houses and the stands is owned by the club (or one of the subsidiaries) - that was confirmed in other planning documents. Currently left to run wild but if we also own that house it would make a huge difference in allowing easier entry/exit from the stadium even before the new train station opens... |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 31, 2024 9:26:23 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned here or on other threads but a couple of interesting documents have appeared on the planning application for the new stand since I last looked a couple of months ago. Firstly CIL (Community Infrastructure Levy) - the council's 'charge' for 'allowing' us to build the stand was £147k, paid in full last week (and the only reason I mention it was paid in full is there was the option to split it into four instalments over 18 months, so clearly we don't have any immediate cashflow issues...) Then there's the unilateral undertakings, including the club paying £12k for improvements to bus stops on Filton Avenue, £4k for new signs between the overall site and Ashley Down station, £25k for any potential new waiting/parking schemes (which may or may not arise from the £6k travel monitoring scheme) and £5k for new trees to be planted within one mile of the site. There's also an interesting map included....it doesn't seem to relate directly to anything mentioned earlier in the document, but potentially a new entrance/exit to the ground once Ashley Down station opens? View AttachmentHow can all of these bills been paid, we haven’t got any money! 😊 We did take out a £5m loan for the stand and any undertakings and the stand itself isn't £5m worth... |
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Post by supergas on Jan 31, 2024 9:29:39 GMT
Is that the old Alton Road entrance marked? Opening an entrance on the south side of the ground would be a massive bonus once Ashley Down opens and would mean you could walk it in probably 10mins and knock off a good 5 or 6mins and spread supporter flow. As someone who will be using that station, would love that to be the plan If the map's right, then it looks like Downend Road. Think there's houses all along there though, so not sure how they'd put in a new entrance/exit. The map seems to line up with 53A, which looks like a small house built in the gap between 51 and 53. Perhaps the plan is to knock it down, anyone know if we own it? (or any houses on that street?) It was mentioned previously that the club has/should/could buy up houses nearby. No reason they would make it public if they have already done so, until they choose/need to... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 9:32:31 GMT
If the map's right, then it looks like Downend Road. Think there's houses all along there though, so not sure how they'd put in a new entrance/exit. The map seems to line up with 53A, which looks like a small house built in the gap between 51 and 53. Perhaps the plan is to knock it down, anyone know if we own it? (or any houses on that street?) It was mentioned previously that the club has/should/could buy up houses nearby. No reason they would make it public if they have already done so, until they choose/need to... previous board members did buy up properties around there. If they still own them and have made a deal then it's a possibility to knock down. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 31, 2024 9:34:58 GMT
It was mentioned previously that the club has/should/could buy up houses nearby. No reason they would make it public if they have already done so, until they choose/need to... previous board members did buy up properties around there. If they still own them and have made a deal then it's a possibility to knock down. I think all of those houses have now been sold on. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 31, 2024 9:38:16 GMT
It was mentioned previously that the club has/should/could buy up houses nearby. No reason they would make it public if they have already done so, until they choose/need to... previous board members did buy up properties around there. If they still own them and have made a deal then it's a possibility to knock down. I know some to the North of the site (Filton Ave) were bought before the mid-2000s, ahead of the rebuild with the student flats/selling to Sainsburys, not heard about anything to the South, but if it has been done then well done to whoever did - it could make such a huge difference to accessing the ground |
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Post by oviedista on Jan 31, 2024 9:44:27 GMT
If I was guessing I’d say that area won’t be highlighted as a possible entrance/ exit but as an emergency exit to meet regulations. It’s gonna get v congested in the south west corner when the stand is totally full so I’m happy to see there is an escape route! Didn’t enjoy the feeling the only way out was all the way along the side of the West stand.
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Post by bravosierraseven on Jan 31, 2024 9:56:01 GMT
That is the area the residents wanted kept for a nature haven but they also wanted access to it!
It's bit peculiar how the boundary lines now include 53a though. I'm not sure how that area is accessed.
I think we should be able to open up an exit through to Strathmore road as I don't think the work to make use of the derelict garage ever happened so it could just be removed.
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Post by melrosegas on Jan 31, 2024 10:29:08 GMT
Apologies if this has been missed, why was the Alton Rd entrance to the ground closed? Is it not a possibility to re-open?
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Post by amgas on Jan 31, 2024 10:32:16 GMT
The map looks like it includes 53 and 53a.
If you go on the Land Registry there is a value and last sold date.
Land at rear of 53 is listed as sold in 2007 for £400k
Both 53 and 53A don't have a value listed which it says means have not been sold after April 2000 - I guess when they started recording these things.
If the club have bought them it must have been very recent for it not to show.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 31, 2024 10:35:06 GMT
The wedge is split into two looks like that and 53 combined. Title register of 53a available for purchase from the land registry has the following charge listed against it, removing names as I don’t think it’s right to share that.
C: Charges register
Entry number Entry date
1 2002-06-07 The land is subject to the rights reserved by a Transfer of the land in this title and other land dated 1 May 2002 made between (1)The Memorial Stadium Company Limited and (2) [redacted name]- . ¬NOTE: Copy filed under [redacted reference]
Anyone know what this means?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 31, 2024 10:51:05 GMT
53 and 53a complete the wedge. The reference before was to the title of 53 which has a green box in the plan showing what was given to 53a.
Seems they’re owned by the same person. Doesn’t look like a familiar name though to me.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 31, 2024 10:55:28 GMT
53 and 53a complete the wedge. The reference before was to the title of 53 which has a green box in the plan showing what was given to 53a. Seems they’re owned by the same person. Doesn’t look like a familiar name though to me. Lansdown? 😤 |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 31, 2024 10:59:15 GMT
Just bought the Mem register and plan… one for lunch time or this evening but there’s some fascinating stuff on the title register and some as recent as last October. We seem to have agreed something relating to land rights with someone on Strathmore Road in October just gone.
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Post by supergas on Jan 31, 2024 11:05:54 GMT
Apologies if this has been missed, why was the Alton Rd entrance to the ground closed? Is it not a possibility to re-open? Not sure of the exact reason it was closed, probably a combination of not being required and/or to keep the Alton Rd residents happy. As to being reopened, I can't see how or why, because if reopening it was being planned the new stand would have been designed and build differently. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 31, 2024 11:09:01 GMT
www.solegal.co.uk/insights/stadium-investment-barrow-afc-installs-two-new-stands-meet-efl-criteriaIt be interesting to know if the club recieved any grants from the various sources?. Did they employ any legal advisers or experts in processing grant applicants ?. It's a bit of a minefield matching funding with criteria and knowing all the different bodies from football foundation to ground improvement stadia. I can't remember the last grant we had and our project justified the EFL criteria for additional seating. Who knows ?. Click above to read Barrows story .
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