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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 31, 2024 11:26:46 GMT
The 2 terracota houses in the corner are the ones on the plan
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Post by gasify on Jan 31, 2024 11:45:08 GMT
Whole new thing going on with the South stand filling up. New pockets of noise and more organic atmosphere making the stadium feel more connected. Will need some time to bed in but feels so much better. Also more quid a kid please - took the six year old today and it was heart warming seeing the huge number of little ones that could be regulars in years to come. Only concern is outside at halftime you really feel the bigger crowd and could hardly move beyond the concourse. The facilities and space just aint enough for that number as things are now. agree. For us its the place to sit in but you certainly will not get a drink eat or use the facilities at half time. Will need the west stand to have their own zone if it can be done Brunel's Ultras |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 31, 2024 11:55:34 GMT
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Post by jongas1 on Jan 31, 2024 12:01:47 GMT
I’m sure whatever the club has planned, the local greens won’t let us remove all those beautiful brambles and discarded trampolines to make use of the land. Let’s not forget that they wanted us to make it accessible to the community during the South stand planning process.
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Post by amgas on Jan 31, 2024 12:21:10 GMT
It does seem strange to potentially knock down two houses to make an access when Alton Road and the next road along already have unused access to the stadium site.
The only way it really makes sense to knock the houses down is to build something on the land behind, either for the stadium or potentially more housing .....
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Post by xplosivgas on Jan 31, 2024 13:15:02 GMT
Anyone have any idea why no South Stand tickets available for purchase on the website for the next two home games? Do they only appear nearer to maych day when the number of seats allocated to away fans is finalised maybe?
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Post by yattongas on Jan 31, 2024 13:21:03 GMT
Anyone have any idea why no South Stand tickets available for purchase on the website for the next two home games? Do they only appear nearer to maych day when the number of seats allocated to away fans is finalised maybe? I’d guess they were still working out what price to sell them for . |
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Post by wider on Jan 31, 2024 13:49:59 GMT
Obviously the club are waiting on The Authorities approval before putting Fleetwood South Stand tickets on sale. Hopefully nothing happened to give them any doubts about opening it to full capacity I think it will more so be because any South West ST holders like me have been given until 5pm tomorrow to choose any seats you want to move to for the rest of the season… I’ve done mine. I think this was the answer? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 31, 2024 14:11:04 GMT
I think, if I'm reading all this information correct, that we may have actually sold this parcel of land in October but it's all legalese I don't really understand. Someone bought this in October and there are related charges to this linked to the land the Mem is on related to easements for maintenance. The rest of the interesting stuff is rules around how close we can build to the properties on the East and North sides (but not the west sides) dating back from when the ground was first built upon. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 31, 2024 14:21:46 GMT
The only way it really makes sense to knock the houses down is to build something on the land behind, either for the stadium or potentially more housing ..... That was my guess too. Maybe housing, greater fan facilities for the South Stand, improve access including for those the West stand, parking spaces? |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 31, 2024 14:33:55 GMT
I think, if I'm reading all this information correct, that we may have actually sold this parcel of land in October but it's all legalese I don't really understand. Someone bought this in October and there are related charges to this linked to the land the Mem is on related to easements for maintenance. The rest of the interesting stuff is rules around how close we can build to the properties on the East and North sides (but not the west sides) dating back from when the ground was first built upon. I notice the kerb is lowered across the entire front part of of that land. It would seem logical to clear it if only for an emergency vehicle access point for future stadium expansion. If not, then it may have a value as a plot for a new house. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 31, 2024 17:06:50 GMT
I’m sure whatever the club has planned, the local greens won’t let us remove all those beautiful brambles and discarded trampolines to make use of the land. Let’s not forget that they wanted us to make it accessible to the community during the South stand planning process. They're not trampolines. They're UFOs which had been hidden from human eyes for thousand of years until Gaschat got on the case. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 31, 2024 18:22:33 GMT
The trampolines were for watching the match for free... well whilst in the air. Hence the objections to the new bigger south stand. They are going to need a bigger trampoline. Apologies to the Jaws film.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 31, 2024 18:42:58 GMT
I see WECA have suggested a few new train stations including Lockleaze. Could be helpful.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2024 19:52:05 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned here or on other threads but a couple of interesting documents have appeared on the planning application for the new stand since I last looked a couple of months ago. Firstly CIL (Community Infrastructure Levy) - the council's 'charge' for 'allowing' us to build the stand was £147k, paid in full last week (and the only reason I mention it was paid in full is there was the option to split it into four instalments over 18 months, so clearly we don't have any immediate cashflow issues...) Then there's the unilateral undertakings, including the club paying £12k for improvements to bus stops on Filton Avenue, £4k for new signs between the overall site and Ashley Down station, £25k for any potential new waiting/parking schemes (which may or may not arise from the £6k travel monitoring scheme) and £5k for new trees to be planted within one mile of the site. There's also an interesting map included....it doesn't seem to relate directly to anything mentioned earlier in the document, but potentially a new entrance/exit to the ground once Ashley Down station opens? View AttachmentIt looks to me the map relates to the LEMP area i.e. the bit of scrub land the club now has to look after indefinitely, it also states that it's the "LEMP Plan" on page 9, with the plan itself on page 10. The document also states the the green shaded area is not included, that looks to me to be the area where properties 53 & 53a are situated. It's clearly not going to be an access point to the ground and BCC are never likely to give us PP to build anything whilst the Green's still have any power. Surprised nobody has picked up on the sums BCC have made us hand over to them before they'd grant PP it's the best part of £200K (plus the cost of installing the solar panels) just to build a stand allowing us a similar ground capacity we've always had in the past at the Mem. Meanwhile Wreham's council are handing their local club £m's to build a stand, BCC are effectively fining Rovers for building a stand!! |
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Post by wertongas on Jan 31, 2024 20:23:53 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned here or on other threads but a couple of interesting documents have appeared on the planning application for the new stand since I last looked a couple of months ago. Firstly CIL (Community Infrastructure Levy) - the council's 'charge' for 'allowing' us to build the stand was £147k, paid in full last week (and the only reason I mention it was paid in full is there was the option to split it into four instalments over 18 months, so clearly we don't have any immediate cashflow issues...) Then there's the unilateral undertakings, including the club paying £12k for improvements to bus stops on Filton Avenue, £4k for new signs between the overall site and Ashley Down station, £25k for any potential new waiting/parking schemes (which may or may not arise from the £6k travel monitoring scheme) and £5k for new trees to be planted within one mile of the site. There's also an interesting map included....it doesn't seem to relate directly to anything mentioned earlier in the document, but potentially a new entrance/exit to the ground once Ashley Down station opens? View AttachmentIt looks to me the map relates to the LEMP area i.e. the bit of scrub land the club now has to look after indefinitely, it also states that it's the "LEMP Plan" on page 9, with the plan itself on page 10. The document also states the the green shaded area is not included, that looks to me to be the area where properties 53 & 53a are situated. It's clearly not going to be an access point to the ground and BCC are never likely to give us PP to build anything whilst the Green's still have any power. Surprised nobody has picked up on the sums BCC have made us hand over to them before they'd grant PP it's the best part of £200K (plus the cost of installing the solar panels) just to build a stand allowing us a similar ground capacity we've always had in the past at the Mem. Meanwhile Wreham's council are handing their local club £m's to build a stand, BCC are effectively fining Rovers for building a stand!! Some of the payment is planning gain , whereby as part of the permission granted the developer has to pay money over to local organisasions and schemes that benefit the community. On this application some of it appears to be for enviromental improvements , this is a standard thing for any decent sized development and Wrexham may also have to do the same thing as part of the development. |
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Post by Slide away on Jan 31, 2024 20:47:19 GMT
These costs will be amortised against the useful asset life of the stand so will have minimal impact in the grand scheme of losses over coming years, also suggests we are relatively comfortable with our operating cashflow.
Losses are a cancer, no cash flow is a heart attack
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 31, 2024 21:29:21 GMT
It looks to me the map relates to the LEMP area i.e. the bit of scrub land the club now has to look after indefinitely, it also states that it's the "LEMP Plan" on page 9, with the plan itself on page 10. The document also states the the green shaded area is not included, that looks to me to be the area where properties 53 & 53a are situated. It's clearly not going to be an access point to the ground and BCC are never likely to give us PP to build anything whilst the Green's still have any power. Surprised nobody has picked up on the sums BCC have made us hand over to them before they'd grant PP it's the best part of £200K (plus the cost of installing the solar panels) just to build a stand allowing us a similar ground capacity we've always had in the past at the Mem. Meanwhile Wreham's council are handing their local club £m's to build a stand, BCC are effectively fining Rovers for building a stand!! Some of the payment is planning gain , whereby as part of the permission granted the developer has to pay money over to local organisasions and schemes that benefit the community. On this application some of it appears to be for enviromental improvements , this is a standard thing for any decent sized development and Wrexham may also have to do the same thing as part of the development. As you say, these sums are not unusual. The difference being that Wrexham benefited from a large Welsh Government grant with a scheme backed by the local council. I'd also point out that BCC paid for the solar PV installation on City's new stand.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2024 22:04:28 GMT
These costs will be amortised against the useful asset life of the stand so will have minimal impact in the grand scheme of losses over coming years, also suggests we are relatively comfortable with our operating cashflow. Losses are a cancer, no cash flow is a heart attack It's all covered by the loan, whether we can meet the loan costs without cutting the playing budget etc going forward is anybody's guess. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2024 22:09:41 GMT
Some of the payment is planning gain , whereby as part of the permission granted the developer has to pay money over to local organisasions and schemes that benefit the community. On this application some of it appears to be for enviromental improvements , this is a standard thing for any decent sized development and Wrexham may also have to do the same thing as part of the development. As you say, these sums are not unusual. The difference being that Wrexham benefited from a large Welsh Government grant with a scheme backed by the local council. I'd also point out that BCC paid for the solar PV installation on City's new stand.
Unusual or not it still seems a lot of money to hand just to turn a tent into something better for fans to use, it's not like we were building houses or offices to sell at a decent profit. Luton did £10m of ground developments this summer, I wonder how much Bucks CC charged them? |
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