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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2024 22:10:31 GMT
So you are suggesting that we block the entrance from the stand to the concourse? Isn’t there a gate underneath in the concourse to create segregation? I thought I saw that at the Blackpool game. If there isn't then the stand was poorly designed as I thought the whole intention was to make it flexible, so the club's with bigger away followings, like Derby, were given more stand tickets? |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 5, 2024 22:13:45 GMT
Yes but think it is positioned so would only segregate end block or two by the looks of it. I could be wrong but it looks like a scaffolding tower with black sheets rather than fixed wielded gates . This means it could be positioned further along. If its a permanent structure then it's a silly thing to do as it won't allow any flexibility whatsoever. I will get a close up tommorow night . Looked a fixed metal gate to me |
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2024 22:33:09 GMT
So you are suggesting that we block the entrance from the stand to the concourse? Is there anything in the concourse? In the 5-6 games I been in the new south stand. You walk down some steps take a right and use the same bogs / beer and food as u would in the west terrace. The temporary section which separates fans in the so called concourse can be moved a few blocks allowing away fans to go into the concourse. But there's nothing in there !. So to answer your question . You just move the fixed section in the concourse ) up a few blocks to allow more away fans . Tell you what isn't in the concourse. Away fans. |
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2024 22:34:27 GMT
Yes but think it is positioned so would only segregate end block or two by the looks of it. I could be wrong but it looks like a scaffolding tower with black sheets rather than fixed wielded gates . This means it could be positioned further along. If its a permanent structure then it's a silly thing to do as it won't allow any flexibility whatsoever. I will get a close up tommorow night . Looking forward to the dawning realisation. 😂 |
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2024 22:35:56 GMT
Yes but think it is positioned so would only segregate end block or two by the looks of it. Would imagine it was done with flexibility in mind. Let's hope it is. |
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2024 22:41:21 GMT
Isn’t there a gate underneath in the concourse to create segregation? I thought I saw that at the Blackpool game. If there isn't then the stand was poorly designed as I thought the whole intention was to make it flexible, so the club's with bigger away followings, like Derby, were given more stand tickets? I suppose one of the issues is also the toilet facilities. If they were underneath like a version of the planning permission then you could have gates at either end of the concourse. While they are still outside the concourse, you can't really have 2000 fans using toilet facilities designed for 500. Maybe each block should have a set of gates in the concourse. Maybe they have been put in now (I was there for Exeter, returned to Thatchers end for Oxford). |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 5, 2024 22:43:14 GMT
Isn’t there a gate underneath in the concourse to create segregation? I thought I saw that at the Blackpool game. If there isn't then the stand was poorly designed as I thought the whole intention was to make it flexible, so the club's with bigger away followings, like Derby, were given more stand tickets? There's definitely a separation ( gate ?) between the two sets of fans in the concourse. This allows home and away fans to use the exits . However there is nothing in the concourse its just bare. The seating itself can be adjusted by using a temporary sheeting allowing flexibility. I don't see a problem in keeping home and away fans apart. |
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2024 22:55:47 GMT
If there isn't then the stand was poorly designed as I thought the whole intention was to make it flexible, so the club's with bigger away followings, like Derby, were given more stand tickets? . This allows home and away fans to use the exits . However there is nothing in the concourse its just bare. The seating itself can be adjusted by using a temporary sheeting allowing flexibility. I don't see a problem in keeping home and away fans apart. Yes, currently there is segregation at both pitch level and concourse level. However, if you increase the number of seats for away fans makes it very difficult to segregate at concourse level. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 5, 2024 23:02:32 GMT
There's definitely a separation ( gate ?) between the two sets of fans in the concourse. This allows home and away fans to use the exits . However there is nothing in the concourse its just bare. The seating itself can be adjusted by using a temporary sheeting allowing flexibility. I don't see a problem in keeping home and away fans apart. Yes, currently there is segregation at both pitch level and concourse level. However, if you increase the number of seats for away fans makes it very difficult to segregate at concourse level. What would the club need to do to address this ?. |
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2024 23:08:01 GMT
Yes, currently there is segregation at both pitch level and concourse level. However, if you increase the number of seats for away fans makes it very difficult to segregate at concourse level. What would the club need to do to address this ?. I reckon two things are needed: 1) Each block to have a gate. 2) Each block to have a male and female toilet block Then happy days, you could have 3/4 of the stand as flexible numbers for away fans. |
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Post by supergas on Feb 6, 2024 7:20:10 GMT
What would the club need to do to address this ?. I reckon two things are needed: 1) Each block to have a gate. 2) Each block to have a male and female toilet block Then happy days, you could have 3/4 of the stand as flexible numbers for away fans. I still can't understand why those toilet blocks are not in place, and really hope there are no repercussions from any authorities if they are never installed.... |
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Post by percy on Feb 6, 2024 7:32:36 GMT
What would the club need to do to address this ?. I reckon two things are needed: 1) Each block to have a gate. 2) Each block to have a male and female toilet block Then happy days, you could have 3/4 of the stand as flexible numbers for away fans. I assumed (probably incorrectly!) 1) would be possible as it is modular. Either a gate for each block or a moveable gate so segregation can be flexible. 2) makes a lot of sense too |
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Post by gasify on Feb 6, 2024 7:33:14 GMT
I reckon two things are needed: 1) Each block to have a gate. 2) Each block to have a male and female toilet block Then happy days, you could have 3/4 of the stand as flexible numbers for away fans. I still can't understand why those toilet blocks are not in place, and really hope there are no repercussions from any authorities if they are never installed.... I'm sure there is a reason, maybe one of: When the toilet blocks are on the concourse, there isn't enough room for flow of people safely. Plumbing and services for the toilets and maybe drainage. Maybe there is a danger to people (I ain't no plumber) Time. Maybe they just haven't got round to that. It will be something like that. Maybe those that are on a direct line to Mr Gorange should ask him...? |
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Post by gasify on Feb 6, 2024 7:34:23 GMT
I still can't understand why those toilet blocks are not in place, and really hope there are no repercussions from any authorities if they are never installed.... I'm sure there is a reason, maybe one of: When the toilet blocks are on the concourse, there isn't enough room for flow of people safely. Plumbing and services for the toilets and maybe drainage. Maybe there is a danger to people (I ain't no plumber) Time. Maybe they just haven't got round to that. It will be something like that. Maybe those that are on a direct line to Mr Gorange should ask him...? Maybe also take the opportunity to ask when the pasty stand and bars are going in under there also. I'm waiting on that before deciding on next year's season ticket. |
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Post by supergas on Feb 6, 2024 8:11:08 GMT
I still can't understand why those toilet blocks are not in place, and really hope there are no repercussions from any authorities if they are never installed.... I'm sure there is a reason, maybe one of: When the toilet blocks are on the concourse, there isn't enough room for flow of people safely.Plumbing and services for the toilets and maybe drainage. Maybe there is a danger to people (I ain't no plumber) Time. Maybe they just haven't got round to that. It will be something like that. Maybe those that are on a direct line to Mr Gorange should ask him...? I've not been inside but it's a modular design that has presumably been built before, so I assume they have both models and real-world experience of the space required vs the flow of people. Also, in the planning documents there were notes after an early meeting between various bodies - including Arena, SAG and Rovers. Concourse capacity was raised (the issue being it was close to the safe limit, I assume this refers to the fully built stand with the toilet blocks in place as designed) and the answer was it was just within the safe limit and the fact fans have space outside at either end meant being close to the limit wasn't an issue ... |
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Post by jongas1 on Feb 6, 2024 8:28:36 GMT
I couldn’t see any signs of services on the concourse floor that would support the toilets/food outlets. Peeking behind the black netting as you enter a block you can see there isn’t any room to set these back into the underside of the stand due to the framework so they would have to sit proud into the concourse.
Would be rather cozy with them inside imo.
Still think placing them on the overgrown patch on the SW corner would have been best. No chance of that being allowed now.
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 6, 2024 8:35:22 GMT
No way can there be an issue with overcrowding in the concourse.
If there is, how has the only exit to the west enclosure been operating like it has forever and now the width of it has been reduced since the new south west stand has been put in place.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2024 8:43:59 GMT
If the concourse is not fully fitted out then how can the club pass the safety test events, which is apparently carried to test bottlenecks etc?
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 6, 2024 8:55:20 GMT
No way can there be an issue with overcrowding in the concourse. If there is, how has the only exit to the west enclosure been operating like it has forever and now the width of it has been reduced since the new south west stand has been put in place. This is my point . The game v Oxford we all piled out and used facilities in the west section. What is the difference if there is a sheet dividing fans and away fans use facilities in the away section ?. Afterall in the gloucestershire cricket gsnes I have witnessed 16000 crowds. You still need to walk to toliets in the corners of the ground. Surely ( if they can get away with it) you put protable facilities in the away section . There is a big space in the corner section . In regards to separation in the concourse . You install an additional gate . The gates should have openings if needed. 1) install extra toliet facilities in away section corner. 2) install additional gate allowing flexibility . And usage of exit points. 3) continuing using large sheets for segregation. If the above can't be done in the next 4 -5 weeks. Why build a stand with no scope for flexibility?. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 6, 2024 8:58:52 GMT
If the concourse is not fully fitted out then how can the club pass the safety test events, which is apparently carried to test bottlenecks etc? All will be revealed when Derby allocation is confirmed. If its true away fans will only get 600 terrace 700 away . Then it's not much difference from the historical 1250 they always had. |
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