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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 24, 2024 7:59:21 GMT
Completely agree. If we end up with a couple of bolt on stands a-la Brunton Park, then frankly I'd rather have still had the hope of a new stadium with some hope for a bright future for the Gas rather than slim to no hope for that at all. New stands that just add more seats and nothing else to improve sustainability (i.e. the original reason we were told that we needed a new stadium!) will do very little to enhance our standing in the football pyramid, and we may as well accept L1/L2 football indefinitely. Sorry for the downbeat depressing post, I'm just feeling rather deflated with the club since the new owners came in. I hope my concerns end up looking daft! The owners should take a look at Brentfords G-Tech stadium if they want to see how they can build a modest sized stadium properly that actually looks the part. Dare I say I think the Mem site could squeeze in a few more seats than 17,250 but I think that would be too hopeful. It so built up around the ground and they have been able to build something pretty nice, reading a Q and A, there is room to increase capacity. View AttachmentLike you I'm afraid we are really just making The Mem a bit bigger but will still look and be a bit sh**e. South stand still a sh** show with no facilities. Complete lack of ambition from the owners has put us in this mess and sadly it's now accepted from our own fans now as used to being fed sh**. Here in lies the rub which I've been saying all along. That cost £70m to build. We could very much do something like that on the footprint but how would we pay for it initially and how would it pay us back?
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Post by singupgas on Feb 24, 2024 9:01:06 GMT
The owners should take a look at Brentfords G-Tech stadium if they want to see how they can build a modest sized stadium properly that actually looks the part. Dare I say I think the Mem site could squeeze in a few more seats than 17,250 but I think that would be too hopeful. It so built up around the ground and they have been able to build something pretty nice, reading a Q and A, there is room to increase capacity. View AttachmentLike you I'm afraid we are really just making The Mem a bit bigger but will still look and be a bit sh**e. South stand still a sh** show with no facilities. Complete lack of ambition from the owners has put us in this mess and sadly it's now accepted from our own fans now as used to being fed sh**. Here in lies the rub which I've been saying all along. That cost £70m to build. We could very much do something like that on the footprint but how would we pay for it initially and how would it pay us back? It's not really a "we" problem. The owners who bought the clubs surely must have some money? Imo, the tarting up of the Mem will not do an awful lot for the club, the facilities are terrible so people will not even sit in the new shiny south stand unless it's just a 10er a head, the terraces you get wet, even sat in the East stand you get wet. Not to mention the toilets being flooded, cramped etc.. If there is any ambition, the club will have to roll the dice to build proper ground, to attract regular fans, more families, casual supporters. I genuinely believe even some players would look at us differently if we had a decent ground. Ambition for me is Rovers to be a stable, respected club at least having a go in the Championship, not battling to stay up and getting a little bit excited when we are still 4 points off the league 1 playoffs. One day the Teds will make it to the Prem and we will be stuck in the Mem not much different as it is, but with a few more seats. We will lose generation of new supporters, I look around at our home games most of our supporters have collected thier bus pass.
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Post by eric on Feb 24, 2024 9:11:23 GMT
Why stop at Brenftford? Why not be really ambitious and build like Tottenham. Money no object !!!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 24, 2024 9:28:26 GMT
Why stop at Brenftford? Why not be really ambitious and build like Tottenham. Money no object !!! why not just flatten the lot, complete rebuild to fit site, 3 year ground share with our friends south of the river...
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Post by nsgas on Feb 24, 2024 10:05:19 GMT
The club have to get the East Stand redevelopment right. A copy of the South Stand will be massively underwhelming. We have a massive housing crisis in this country. A large, top spec stand with flats or student accommodation on the back will go a long way towards paying for itself and give us a long-term income stream.
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Post by percy on Feb 24, 2024 10:08:38 GMT
Tbf the south stand plans pre dated the current owners and possibly the decision to pull out of the fruity. So for me, a more ambitious east stand is how will measure their ambitions. Don’t expect a spurs stand but should not be a south stand and should maximise facilities and fan experience
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Post by singupgas on Feb 24, 2024 10:33:31 GMT
Why stop at Brenftford? Why not be really ambitious and build like Tottenham. Money no object !!! Ok Easy E, I could have picked other grounds as examples. Brentfords stadium is not exactly ultra unrealistic. Brentfords ground cost 70 Million to build in West London. We supposedly have successful businessmen and bankers running the club. I guess you just have really low expectations and have no wish to see Rovers be much more than a place to go for a few hours. Merry go round of player and managers, yo yo between league 1 and 2. If the club want to come out and just say we have no ambition to get to the championship and compete with our neighbours, then fine. That is what you are going to get, I'll go do something else with my Saturday.
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Post by eric on Feb 24, 2024 10:46:29 GMT
Why stop at Brenftford? Why not be really ambitious and build like Tottenham. Money no object !!! Ok Easy E, I could have picked other grounds as examples. Brentfords stadium is not exactly ultra unrealistic. Brentfords ground cost 70 Million to build in West London. We supposedly have successful businessmen and bankers running the club. I guess you just have really low expectations and have no wish to see Rovers be much more than a place to go for a few hours. Merry go round of player and managers, yo yo.bwtwem league 1 and 2. If the club want to come out and just say we have no ambition to get to the championship and compete with our neighbours, then fine. That is what you are going to get, I'll go do something else with my Saturday. I’m just being realistic. If costs have widely increased since Brentford built we are looking at £100m to replicate that. If we were lucky enough to have a billionaire owner they would need to chuck 10% of their total wealth at a league one ground with no guarantee of getting anything back. If we can do a fairly cheap renovation (South done, make a decent job of extending the East and then something more substantial to the North) we can hopefully progress to the championship and increased revenues funding a better and more further rebuild. Even a single season in the Prem would give us enough cash for a brand new ground so any cheap renovation we do now doesn’t need to be our ‘forever’ stadium. The worst thing about City is that Lansdown just came in and threw cash at it. His attitude to spending his own cash is really rare and sets a false expectation of that being something all owners need to replicate. As far as I’m aware Bristol has two multi billionaires. Lansdown who likes sport and his mate Hargreaves who doesn’t. We didn’t get lucky there!
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Post by Sir Trevor on Feb 24, 2024 11:01:01 GMT
Just a thought.
Blocks of "Student-style" accommodation constructed above the Underground car park on the current East Side car park.
Possibility of building a new East Stand behind the existing stand.
Sainsbury's Mark 2.
Might attract external funding
Might be visually appealing.
Might be an enabling feature.
Might gain planning consent.
Might. Might NOT.
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Post by gasify on Feb 24, 2024 11:23:36 GMT
Why stop at Brenftford? Why not be really ambitious and build like Tottenham. Money no object !!! Ok Easy E, I could have picked other grounds as examples. Brentfords stadium is not exactly ultra unrealistic. Brentfords ground cost 70 Million to build in West London. We supposedly have successful businessmen and bankers running the club. I guess you just have really low expectations and have no wish to see Rovers be much more than a place to go for a few hours. Merry go round of player and managers, yo yo between league 1 and 2. If the club want to come out and just say we have no ambition to get to the championship and compete with our neighbours, then fine. That is what you are going to get, I'll go do something else with my Saturday. I think if we are going to be looking at the Brentford model, we shouldn't start at the stadium. We should start at their Ethos, pirate has been explaining to us over the last 6 months to a year how Brentford sat down and basically said, How can we do this in a clever way. A way that no one else has done it. They decided on a player first approach. Invest in young hungry players and give them the facility and the pathway to the first team and then sell them at a profit with a sell on clause. You only have to look at Ivan Toney and Peterborough, whats the figure they are likely to receive if Toney gets sold? It way more than a year of turnover for Rovers without any costs associated with it. Let alone the fact Peterborough have already received £5m for him. The difference between Bentford and Rovers is that Brentford had a plan and when it got a bit turbulent, they stuck with the plan. We also had a plan, but when it got turbulent we chucked that plan out of the window and started with another plan. Now we don't seem to have a plan.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 24, 2024 11:32:04 GMT
Here in lies the rub which I've been saying all along. That cost £70m to build. We could very much do something like that on the footprint but how would we pay for it initially and how would it pay us back? It's not really a "we" problem. The owners who bought the clubs surely must have some money? Imo, the tarting up of the Mem will not do an awful lot for the club, the facilities are terrible so people will not even sit in the new shiny south stand unless it's just a 10er a head, the terraces you get wet, even sat in the East stand you get wet. Not to mention the toilets being flooded, cramped etc.. If there is any ambition, the club will have to roll the dice to build proper ground, to attract regular fans, more families, casual supporters. I genuinely believe even some players would look at us differently if we had a decent ground. Ambition for me is Rovers to be a stable, respected club at least having a go in the Championship, not battling to stay up and getting a little bit excited when we are still 4 points off the league 1 playoffs. One day the Teds will make it to the Prem and we will be stuck in the Mem not much different as it is, but with a few more seats. We will lose generation of new supporters, I look around at our home games most of our supporters have collected thier bus pass. It's all well and good selling cheap tickets but a lot of fans like myself that can't make every game have mates in other areas of the ground and don't want to move. Bet next year it will be used much more. I know of two already that have swapped their North Terrace season ticket of 20+years for the South Stand next season.
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Post by playtowin on Feb 24, 2024 12:26:14 GMT
If the Mem site could have a 12,000 new,good facilities stadium plus other money making ventures on the site that would be fine. To make the club on a balanced financial basis.
Thats buildable on limited investment. Once thats done ,focus on a new site for a much bigger stadium.
We could have started this 25 years ago...
Instead we go for pie in the sky never happens plans and slapdash bodge it together add ons to the mem. Wasting time and money.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 24, 2024 12:52:12 GMT
Ok Easy E, I could have picked other grounds as examples. Brentfords stadium is not exactly ultra unrealistic. Brentfords ground cost 70 Million to build in West London. We supposedly have successful businessmen and bankers running the club. I guess you just have really low expectations and have no wish to see Rovers be much more than a place to go for a few hours. Merry go round of player and managers, yo yo.bwtwem league 1 and 2. If the club want to come out and just say we have no ambition to get to the championship and compete with our neighbours, then fine. That is what you are going to get, I'll go do something else with my Saturday. I’m just being realistic. If costs have widely increased since Brentford built we are looking at £100m to replicate that. If we were lucky enough to have a billionaire owner they would need to chuck 10% of their total wealth at a league one ground with no guarantee of getting anything back. If we can do a fairly cheap renovation (South done, make a decent job of extending the East and then something more substantial to the North) we can hopefully progress to the championship and increased revenues funding a better and more further rebuild. Even a single season in the Prem would give us enough cash for a brand new ground so any cheap renovation we do now doesn’t need to be our ‘forever’ stadium. The worst thing about City is that Lansdown just came in and threw cash at it. His attitude to spending his own cash is really rare and sets a false expectation of that being something all owners need to replicate. As far as I’m aware Bristol has two multi billionaires. Lansdown who likes sport and his mate Hargreaves who doesn’t. We didn’t get lucky there! Yep, set an unrealistic precedent. The redevelopment has to be done right, but it also has to be done.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 24, 2024 14:12:36 GMT
It's not really a "we" problem. The owners who bought the clubs surely must have some money? Imo, the tarting up of the Mem will not do an awful lot for the club, the facilities are terrible so people will not even sit in the new shiny south stand unless it's just a 10er a head, the terraces you get wet, even sat in the East stand you get wet. Not to mention the toilets being flooded, cramped etc.. If there is any ambition, the club will have to roll the dice to build proper ground, to attract regular fans, more families, casual supporters. I genuinely believe even some players would look at us differently if we had a decent ground. Ambition for me is Rovers to be a stable, respected club at least having a go in the Championship, not battling to stay up and getting a little bit excited when we are still 4 points off the league 1 playoffs. One day the Teds will make it to the Prem and we will be stuck in the Mem not much different as it is, but with a few more seats. We will lose generation of new supporters, I look around at our home games most of our supporters have collected thier bus pass. It's all well and good selling cheap tickets but a lot of fans like myself that can't make every game have mates in other areas of the ground and don't want to move. Bet next year it will be used much more. I know of two already that have swapped their North Terrace season ticket of 20+years for the South Stand next season. Absolutely I agree. Who isn't going to go in the south stand when it is £10 and the Thatchers end double? Flipside I know people who have tried the South stand. There is no toilets, no bar and no food. I just want to see us playing in a proper ground. Surely we all want that. Questions should be asked why the owners aren't delivering it not just accepting bolt on to already unfit for purpose stands relying on a pipe dream that we somehow end up in Championship.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 24, 2024 14:31:20 GMT
If the Mem site could have a 12,000 new,good facilities stadium plus other money making ventures on the site that would be fine. To make the club on a balanced financial basis. Thats buildable on limited investment. Once thats done ,focus on a new site for a much bigger stadium. We could have started this 25 years ago... Instead we go for pie in the sky never happens plans and slapdash bodge it together add ons to the mem. Wasting time and money. Seems what we are seeing are people moving rather than more people
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 24, 2024 14:33:42 GMT
It's all well and good selling cheap tickets but a lot of fans like myself that can't make every game have mates in other areas of the ground and don't want to move. Bet next year it will be used much more. I know of two already that have swapped their North Terrace season ticket of 20+years for the South Stand next season. Absolutely I agree. Who isn't going to go in the south stand when it is £10 and the Thatchers end double? Flipside I know people who have tried the South stand. There is no toilets, no bar and no food. I just want to see us playing in a proper ground. Surely we all want that. Questions should be asked why the owners aren't delivering it not just accepting bolt on to already unfit for purpose stands relying on a pipe dream that we somehow end up in Championship. Plenty of toilets, food and two bars, both outside unfortunately!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 24, 2024 15:10:36 GMT
It's all well and good selling cheap tickets but a lot of fans like myself that can't make every game have mates in other areas of the ground and don't want to move. Bet next year it will be used much more. I know of two already that have swapped their North Terrace season ticket of 20+years for the South Stand next season. Absolutely I agree. Who isn't going to go in the south stand when it is £10 and the Thatchers end double? Flipside I know people who have tried the South stand. There is no toilets, no bar and no food. I just want to see us playing in a proper ground. Surely we all want that. Questions should be asked why the owners aren't delivering it not just accepting bolt on to already unfit for purpose stands relying on a pipe dream that we somehow end up in Championship. Hussain has now confirmed on R Bristol work on the East Stand redevelopment won't start until the season after next, unfortunately he was asked what type of redevelopment was going to take place but plans have apparently already been drawn up.
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Feb 24, 2024 15:13:21 GMT
Does anyone actually expect a decent upgrade of the mem?? I can't stop unfortunately laughing at anyone that does.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 24, 2024 15:18:43 GMT
Absolutely I agree. Who isn't going to go in the south stand when it is £10 and the Thatchers end double? Flipside I know people who have tried the South stand. There is no toilets, no bar and no food. I just want to see us playing in a proper ground. Surely we all want that. Questions should be asked why the owners aren't delivering it not just accepting bolt on to already unfit for purpose stands relying on a pipe dream that we somehow end up in Championship. Hussain has now confirmed on R Bristol work on the East Stand redevelopment won't start until the season after next, unfortunately he was asked what type of redevelopment was going to take place but plans have apparently already been drawn up. Well should we expect to see plans soon then
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Post by gas2 on Feb 24, 2024 15:21:30 GMT
Does anyone actually expect a decent upgrade of the mem?? I can't stop unfortunately laughing at anyone that does. We will be lucky if anything is built full stop
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