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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 24, 2023 12:10:47 GMT
Even more incredible, Kane was on the pitch with only 1 England goal to his name when Rooney broke the record previously. That was only 8 years ago this month! Anyone else think that's the only thing Harry will achieve ,unless he moves at the end of the Season? Old Trafford bound this summer. Will clean up with honours just like Teddy before him. I remember the song about Sheringham ‘going to Man United & winning F all” 😂😂 |
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Post by eric on Mar 24, 2023 12:12:44 GMT
Just putting this out there. I know pens are important and take skill to convert, but there are undoubtedly a lot more given in modern times. England goals from open play: Charlton 46 from 106 caps Rooney 46 from 120 Greaves 44 from 57 Lineker 44 from 80 Owen 39 from 89 Kane 36 from 81 Kane may well go past them all, of course, but it’s not a given. Charlton as a midfielder and Greaves’ totals are mightily impressive. Greaves never took a pen for England. Another interesting stat is to compare goals in competitive internationals against goals in friendlies. Those stats massively favour the modern player - a high percentage of a Charlton’s came in friendlies against teams most of the big nations were regularly putting, 6,7,8+ past. He did win a trophy which carries a little bit of weight though 😁!!! |
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Post by francegas on Mar 24, 2023 12:31:00 GMT
Just putting this out there. I know pens are important and take skill to convert, but there are undoubtedly a lot more given in modern times. England goals from open play: Charlton 46 from 106 caps Rooney 46 from 120 Greaves 44 from 57 Lineker 44 from 80 Owen 39 from 89 Kane 36 from 81 Kane may well go past them all, of course, but it’s not a given. Charlton as a midfielder and Greaves’ totals are mightily impressive. Greaves never took a pen for England. You are correct about Greaves not taking a penalty for England. He was however appointed official penalty taker for England in 1959 and remained in that position until his final cap in 1967. The reason he never took a penalty was because England were not awarded a penalty during that period. Just a bit of useless info ! |
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Post by eric on Mar 24, 2023 13:03:30 GMT
Just putting this out there. I know pens are important and take skill to convert, but there are undoubtedly a lot more given in modern times. England goals from open play: Charlton 46 from 106 caps Rooney 46 from 120 Greaves 44 from 57 Lineker 44 from 80 Owen 39 from 89 Kane 36 from 81 Kane may well go past them all, of course, but it’s not a given. Charlton as a midfielder and Greaves’ totals are mightily impressive. Greaves never took a pen for England. You are correct about Greaves not taking a penalty for England. He was however appointed official penalty taker for England in 1959 and remained in that position until his final cap in 1967. The reason he never took a penalty was because England were not awarded a penalty during that period. Just a bit of useless info ! Winds were less gusty in those days so players managed to stay on their feet, hence less penalties!!! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 24, 2023 13:23:34 GMT
Just putting this out there. I know pens are important and take skill to convert, but there are undoubtedly a lot more given in modern times. England goals from open play: Charlton 46 from 106 caps Rooney 46 from 120 Greaves 44 from 57 Lineker 44 from 80 Owen 39 from 89 Kane 36 from 81 Kane may well go past them all, of course, but it’s not a given. Charlton as a midfielder and Greaves’ totals are mightily impressive. Greaves never took a pen for England. You are correct about Greaves not taking a penalty for England. He was however appointed official penalty taker for England in 1959 and remained in that position until his final cap in 1967. The reason he never took a penalty was because England were not awarded a penalty during that period. Just a bit of useless info !Really? I don’t doubt you but that’s an amazing bit of useless info. Wow. And just to join in, the greatest goalscorer in England’s history is Geoff Hurst! 😉 For very obvious reasons for people of my generation. UTG! |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 24, 2023 13:30:55 GMT
Well done Harry, good footballer and nice chap and conducts himself very well BUT Charlton was without doubt the best footballer i have seen playing for England, and Greaves goals record make him the outstanding finisher, then again you would not see Jimmy back in his own Penalty area helping out the defence! Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 24, 2023 13:48:21 GMT
Just putting this out there. I know pens are important and take skill to convert, but there are undoubtedly a lot more given in modern times. England goals from open play: Charlton 46 from 106 caps Rooney 46 from 120 Greaves 44 from 57 Lineker 44 from 80 Owen 39 from 89 Kane 36 from 81 Kane may well go past them all, of course, but it’s not a given. Charlton as a midfielder and Greaves’ totals are mightily impressive. Greaves never took a pen for England. Owen and Rooney both peaked at such a young age and never really improved, if anything went backwards. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 24, 2023 13:50:28 GMT
Just putting this out there. I know pens are important and take skill to convert, but there are undoubtedly a lot more given in modern times. England goals from open play: Charlton 46 from 106 caps Rooney 46 from 120 Greaves 44 from 57 Lineker 44 from 80 Owen 39 from 89 Kane 36 from 81 Kane may well go past them all, of course, but it’s not a given. Charlton as a midfielder and Greaves’ totals are mightily impressive. Greaves never took a pen for England. Owen and Rooney both peaked at such a young age and never really improved, if anything went backwards. Was always going to be the case for Rooney, how he even played internationally into his 30’s is crazy. Consider what he was doing on the biggest stage at 17/18 in Euro 2004. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 25, 2023 10:18:35 GMT
Well done Harry Kane absolute world class striker and a brilliant person. Even more incredible, Kane was on the pitch with only 1 England goal to his name when Rooney broke the record previously. That was only 8 years ago this month! How many games has he had to score them though, in the days of Charlton there were much fewer games and one could argue that the Charlton era had moire meaningful games |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 25, 2023 10:31:28 GMT
Even more incredible, Kane was on the pitch with only 1 England goal to his name when Rooney broke the record previously. That was only 8 years ago this month! Anyone else think that's the only thing Harry will achieve ,unless he moves at the end of the Season? Got a feeling Harry has at least a punchers chance of lifting the Euros Cup for England. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 25, 2023 11:12:29 GMT
Even more incredible, Kane was on the pitch with only 1 England goal to his name when Rooney broke the record previously. That was only 8 years ago this month! How many games has he had to score them though, in the days of Charlton there were much fewer games and one could argue that the Charlton era had moire meaningful games 39 fewer matches than Rooney. 25 fewer matches than Bobby Charlton. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 25, 2023 11:36:26 GMT
I’m not really into comparing different generations but Charlton’s goals by competition reads:
Friendly: 22
Home Championships: 16
World Cup/Euros/Qualifiers: 14
Harry Kane to date:
Friendly: 6
World Cup/Euros/Nations League/Qualifiers: 48
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 25, 2023 13:59:42 GMT
Anyone else think that's the only thing Harry will achieve ,unless he moves at the end of the Season? Got a feeling Harry has at least a punchers chance of lifting the Euros Cup for England. Agree with that ,we have our best chance with the team we've got subject to improving our defence is: Maguire,real liability ,an accident wait g to happen when he tries to play out,first goal on Thursday being a good example. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 25, 2023 14:52:40 GMT
Got a feeling Harry has at least a punchers chance of lifting the Euros Cup for England. Agree with that ,we have our best chance with the team we've got subject to improving our defence is: Maguire,real liability ,an accident wait g to happen when he tries to play out,first goal on Thursday being a good example. Still, for all the flak he gets the defence was faultless for the entire game. Maguire himself also had a sound World Cup & was in the team of the tournament for Euro 2020/21. Had a poor season under Ole with the whole United squad & it’s stuck that he’s this car crash of a defender. Way wide of the mark IMO. In an England shirt he has always been sound as a pound. Onto your all round point, I think semis minimum in Germany ‘24 and would absolutely love it if Gareth signed off by getting his hands on the gold. Would shut a lot of people down for sure. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 25, 2023 17:37:30 GMT
How many games has he had to score them though, in the days of Charlton there were much fewer games and one could argue that the Charlton era had moire meaningful games 39 fewer matches than Rooney. 25 fewer matches than Bobby Charlton. Too many pens. Personally I can’t make any true comparison but each to their own plus Charlton won a place in a team that win something |
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 25, 2023 17:42:28 GMT
How many games has he had to score them though, in the days of Charlton there were much fewer games and one could argue that the Charlton era had moire meaningful games 39 fewer matches than Rooney. 25 fewer matches than Bobby Charlton. You’re forgetting all the Mickey Mouse teams that now play football on the World stage. At the time of Bobby Charlton there were very few teams I would regard as pushovers. The San Marino’s and Gibraltar’s of this world were nowhere to be seen. |
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Post by eric on Mar 25, 2023 17:52:27 GMT
39 fewer matches than Rooney. 25 fewer matches than Bobby Charlton. You’re forgetting all the Mickey Mouse teams that now play football on the World stage. At the time of Bobby Charlton there were very few teams I would regard as pushovers. The San Marino’s and Gibraltar’s of this world were nowhere to be seen. Being bored I’ve had a quick look and it seems more than half of his goals came in games where we scored 4 or more goals. Among the wins were three where we scored 8 goals, one where we scored 9 and one game where we scored 10. There were plenty of Mickey Mouse teams back then too, they were just different ones! |
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Post by percy on Mar 25, 2023 18:03:05 GMT
You’re forgetting all the Mickey Mouse teams that now play football on the World stage. At the time of Bobby Charlton there were very few teams I would regard as pushovers. The San Marino’s and Gibraltar’s of this world were nowhere to be seen. Being bored I’ve had a quick look and it seems more than half of his goals came in games where we scored 4 or more goals. Among the wins were three where we scored 8 goals, one where we scored 9 and one game where we scored 10. There were plenty of Mickey Mouse teams back then too, they were just different ones! Shush with your facts. Put the rose coloured glasses on! |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 25, 2023 18:24:39 GMT
39 fewer matches than Rooney. 25 fewer matches than Bobby Charlton. Too many pens. Personally I can’t make any true comparison but each to their own plus Charlton won a place in a team that win something 18 out of 54? Anyone rocking the quick maths for a percentage? Goals a goal doesn’t matter how it goes in😎 |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 25, 2023 18:26:13 GMT
39 fewer matches than Rooney. 25 fewer matches than Bobby Charlton. You’re forgetting all the Mickey Mouse teams that now play football on the World stage. At the time of Bobby Charlton there were very few teams I would regard as pushovers. The San Marino’s and Gibraltar’s of this world were nowhere to be seen. Zaire qualified for a World Cup that we couldn’t😂😂😂8 years after we won the thing! |
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