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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on May 4, 2023 17:39:38 GMT
The difference with Collins situation is that he's still got 2 years on his contract so for once we are in a good position to demand a bigger fee. I guess if he actually asks to leave that could change things slightly but I'd like to think we'd not sell for less than 2.5m. He might have had a dip in the last few months but a player with 16 goals & 11 assists shouldn't be going anywhere on the cheap
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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2023 17:54:02 GMT
I can't honestly see us getting more for Collins than Posh would for JCH, given that he's a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons, including the Championship, not just half a season. On that basis £2m plus add ons would be good business.
Although the bigger issue is what % of any transfer fee Wael gives to JB for recruitment this summer plus how he then sends it.
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Post by axegas on May 4, 2023 18:13:47 GMT
I can't honestly see us getting more for Collins than Posh would for JCH, given that he's a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons, including the Championship, not just half a season. On that basis £2m plus add ons would be good business. Although the bigger issue is what % of any transfer fee Wael gives to JB for recruitment this summer plus how he then sends it. Aaron Collins has been scoring goals for longer than half a season? 16 league goals last season, double figures again the season before that. 8 goals in 15 appearances at Morecambe in 18/19 too. Plus he's younger, gets assists and plays in a few more positions than JCH. The thing JCH has over Collins is the fact that he's scored goals in the Championship, having watched both players there's no doubt in my mind that Collins can do the same. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 4, 2023 18:23:21 GMT
I can't honestly see us getting more for Collins than Posh would for JCH, given that he's a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons, including the Championship, not just half a season. On that basis £2m plus add ons would be good business. Although the bigger issue is what % of any transfer fee Wael gives to JB for recruitment this summer plus how he then sends it. Aaron Collins has been scoring goals for longer than half a season? 16 league goals last season, double figures again the season before that. 8 goals in 15 appearances at Morecambe in 18/19 too. Plus he's younger, gets assists and plays in a few more positions than JCH. Only real thing JCH has over Collins is the fact that he's scored goals in the Championship, having watched both players there's no doubt in my mind that Collins can do the same. I tend to agree with Topper, £2m would be a good price although as you say AC has scored over more than half a season. I think AC is a more attractive player to more clubs in that he is probably a better all-round footballer. With JCH teams will need to play a certain way and build their team around him as GC did and as Darren F did for Posh in his first season. Better clubs will not want to do that (because they have better players) whereas AC is more flexible and will provide assists as he’s done and may be more attractive to those better teams. There will be a reason why JCH didn’t get sold in January given that Posh were prepared to sell him. And in the end, like all transfer, AC is worth as much as anyone is prepared to pay for him. If a club is prepared to pay the high prices some are saying then it may reach £2-3m. If no one is prepared to pay that then it may be much lower. The good thing is we have him on contract for a few more years yet so we will not be desperate to sell him this summer. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2023 18:48:30 GMT
I can't honestly see us getting more for Collins than Posh would for JCH, given that he's a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons, including the Championship, not just half a season. On that basis £2m plus add ons would be good business. Although the bigger issue is what % of any transfer fee Wael gives to JB for recruitment this summer plus how he then sends it. Aaron Collins has been scoring goals for longer than half a season? 16 league goals last season, double figures again the season before that. 8 goals in 15 appearances at Morecambe in 18/19 too. Plus he's younger, gets assists and plays in a few more positions than JCH. The thing JCH has over Collins is the fact that he's scored goals in the Championship, having watched both players there's no doubt in my mind that Collins can do the same. I was referring to AC's goals record in L1, since JCH joined Rovers he's consistently scored goals at L1 and Championship level, whereas AC's had a bit of a barren spell for the last few months, whether he's deliberately taken his foot off the gas as he's already got a deal lined up given JB's comments his anybody's guess. |
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Post by pucklegas on May 4, 2023 19:16:32 GMT
Ward is an upgrade on Finley, depends on how ruthless joey will be. Rossiter has been a massive loss, a fit Jordy and josh Grant would be brilliant.
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Post by alanrg on May 4, 2023 19:27:58 GMT
How is JCH a proven goal scorer in the Championship he scored 12 goals for Peterborough that season
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Post by pudseygas on May 4, 2023 19:33:11 GMT
How is JCH a proven goal scorer in the Championship he scored 12 goals for Peterborough that season Not a bad return for a lower league club is it? |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2023 19:59:03 GMT
How is JCH a proven goal scorer in the Championship he scored 12 goals for Peterborough that season I think you're confusing proven with prolific as JCH has clearly proven he can score goals in the Championship, Collins has only scored 16 goals this season so using your logic he's not a proven L1 goal scorer, so probably worth far less than we assumed. |
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Post by gonzales on May 4, 2023 20:06:40 GMT
, fast forward 25 years to now where Enzo Fernandes is the most expensive player at near on £107M. So the Premier League record is now 8 times larger than 25 years ago. Don’t even know who that is!? But I guess he’s one of the new Chelsea lot? |
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Post by Gastafari on May 5, 2023 2:48:28 GMT
Don’t even know who that is!? But I guess he’s one of the new Chelsea lot? Correct. Midfielder. World Cup Winner with Argentina |
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Post by Gastafari on May 5, 2023 3:12:57 GMT
How is JCH a proven goal scorer in the Championship he scored 12 goals for Peterborough that season He scored goals for Rotherham in The Championship as well when he was still only 19/20, similar to Josh Coburn at Middlesbrough I guess. JCH has played 98 games at Championship level and scored 21 goals, so just under a 1 in 5 ratio. So I suppose he has proven he can score goals at Championship level, Rotherham and Peterborough both clubs at the bottom end fighting relegation as well. Before signing for us, his record at Championship level was actually better than his record in League 1 and 2 for Oldham, Rotherham and Coventry plus loan spells at Southend, Bury, MK Dons and Doncaster. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2023 6:37:32 GMT
A lengthy article on Bristol Live talking about contract offers for Anderson, Grant and Ward, it's looking like the first two might not now get what they want due to both having injury concerns.
I'm not really sure why JB needs Wael to make the final decision as he'll be the one suffering if he can't play them as they are out injured for the whole of the season.
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Post by oldie on May 5, 2023 7:11:43 GMT
A lengthy article on Bristol Live talking about contract offers for Anderson, Grant and Ward, it's looking like the first two might not now get what they want due to both having injury concerns. I'm not really sure why JB needs Wael to make the final decision as he'll be the one suffering if he can't play them as they are out injured for the whole of the season. Wael funds the wage bill |
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Post by Quarters on May 5, 2023 7:19:11 GMT
A lengthy article on Bristol Live talking about contract offers for Anderson, Grant and Ward, it's looking like the first two might not now get what they want due to both having injury concerns. I'm not really sure why JB needs Wael to make the final decision as he'll be the one suffering if he can't play them as they are out injured for the whole of the season. Wael funds the wage bill Though he probably just sets the budget for the staff. It would be up to JB team to determine how that is spread amongst the players I would have thought. Does it sound like JB is planning his excuses? |
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Post by oldie on May 5, 2023 11:40:16 GMT
Though he probably just sets the budget for the staff. It would be up to JB team to determine how that is spread amongst the players I would have thought. Does it sound like JB is planning his excuses? That's how I read it, re Barton. Barton massively overspent but got us back to L1 last year. Let's see how he performed this year given that he produced only the minimum requirement, to stay up. |
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Post by percy on May 5, 2023 12:30:22 GMT
Joey saying he wants to get transfer business done early (before he'll later return to his "value in the back end" line I'll wager!), but
JUST FOR FUN, your predictions for
1) First non Rovers player to sign (no loanee or expired contracts)
2) First contract extension
3) Previous loanee to sign perm
4) First in contract player to leave/be told he's not wanted
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Post by percy on May 5, 2023 12:34:23 GMT
Joey saying he wants to get transfer business done early (before he'll later return to his "value in the back end" line I'll wager!), but JUST FOR FUN, your predictions for 1) First non Rovers player to sign (no loanee or expired contracts) 2) First contract extension 3) Previous loanee to sign perm 4) First in contract player to leave/be told he's not wanted My guesses... 1) Ruben Rodrigues (as soon as county lose to Boreham Wood) 2) Josh Grant (short term/pay if you play deal) 3) Balcombe (hopefully saying it means it wont happen) 4) Luke McCormick |
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Post by herbertblake on May 5, 2023 14:11:25 GMT
I can't honestly see us getting more for Collins than Posh would for JCH, given that he's a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons, including the Championship, not just half a season. On that basis £2m plus add ons would be good business. Although the bigger issue is what % of any transfer fee Wael gives to JB for recruitment this summer plus how he then sends it. I am guessing Forest Green & Stale Mince has to receive 25 per cent of any fee we received? |
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2023 14:26:32 GMT
I can't honestly see us getting more for Collins than Posh would for JCH, given that he's a proven goalscorer over a number of seasons, including the Championship, not just half a season. On that basis £2m plus add ons would be good business. Although the bigger issue is what % of any transfer fee Wael gives to JB for recruitment this summer plus how he then sends it. I am guessing Forest Green & Stale Mince has to receive 25 per cent of any fee we received? No sell on fee was necessary as he joined as a 24-year-old on a free following the expiry of his contract. |
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