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Post by gasandelectricity on May 6, 2023 11:20:42 GMT
Pretty sure it’s 5 from each league. There’s a commitment for a minimum of 248 fixtures to be shown. That’s over 5 fixtures over 46 match days. Doesn't that include the first and last games of the season, international breaks, cup games and mid week games? If it is 5 from each league then who's going to watch all those L2 games, when most clubs struggle to get 5,000 attendances at present. If they’re going to show 16 games a season per L1 club it’ll need to be many more than 2 or 3 fixtures per league over a weekend. There will be 12 fixtures per league per match day. Show 5 and the average club will be shown 19 times. Show only 3 and the average club 11.5. I don’t think they’ll be showing all fixtures on the first/final day and international break. It’ll be like the FA Cup where you get updates from a series of fixtures and a main fixture being broadcast. As for 5 fixtures space it out across 2 or 3 channels (maybe 1 per league), Friday 7.45, sat at 12ish,5ish, Sun at 12.30, 3, 5.30pm and you have plenty of chance to show 5 fixtures for a league. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 11:44:25 GMT
Be interesting to see what the commitment to the supporter and notice period they will give to a fixture being moved.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on May 6, 2023 11:52:28 GMT
I thought that article 48 had been proven to be outdated. People still prefer going to the games on Saturday at 3 rather than watch on T.V. It's not just the 90 minutes of football but the 'day out.'
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Post by gulfofaden on May 6, 2023 12:18:32 GMT
Sky shares are available: Comcast own sky sports. Share price $40.43. No barrier to the average person. It’s paying a dividend of about 2.8%. So you could earn about £1.12 in profits from being an owner of Sky. Not quite the huge profiteering you think it is! In return for this, you bear the risk of the shares declining or Sky going bust. If you bought in 2021 the price was $60 so Comcast stockholders have lost about 1/3 since then. Comcast donate a lot of money to the US Democratic Party and have given them over $2.7M since 2012. Get and buy some shares and you too can take part in the wonderful game of capitalism. You’ll be providing jobs as well. Comcast are a massive company which Sky are just a small part, what where Sky UK profit's alone last year? I was looking at my own direct debits recently and I now pay over £70 a month/£840 a year to Sky and BT just so we can watch live football on the TV which is double my Rovers season ticket, and that's with decent discounts for Sky Sports and BT Sport. I assume Sky subscribers will be looking at another hefty increase to pay for the latest football contracts. Don’t buy it then. I don’t. I’m not being rude, genuinely, I think the cost of premiership football and sky sports is too high for how much I would watch. So I have decided to abstain. I entertain myself in other ways. Not second guessing but it seems that it’s important to you so you see the price as good value. Expensive, but you feel being able to watch it ultimately is worth the cost. That’s it. That’s all there is to it. It’s not a right like healthcare etc, it’s a luxury product you want. And you have to pay! |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 12:20:54 GMT
The EFL seem to contradict themselves by claiming clubs will lose £38m in income if the blackout goes but then suggest Rovers being shown live around 16 times a season won't effect attendances. Given there's so many Premiership games shown live on Sky, there was one virtually every night this week, I can't see many Rovers fans missing a game just because Leeds v Leicester was being shown at 3pm on a Saturday.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 12:25:36 GMT
Comcast are a massive company which Sky are just a small part, what where Sky UK profit's alone last year? I was looking at my own direct debits recently and I now pay over £70 a month/£840 a year to Sky and BT just so we can watch live football on the TV which is double my Rovers season ticket, and that's with decent discounts for Sky Sports and BT Sport. I assume Sky subscribers will be looking at another hefty increase to pay for the latest football contracts. Don’t buy it then. I don’t. I’m not being rude, genuinely, I think the cost of premiership football and sky sports is too high for how much I would watch. So I have decided to abstain. I entertain myself in other ways. Not second guessing but it seems that it’s important to you so you see the price as good value. Expensive, but you feel being able to watch it ultimately is worth the cost. That’s it. That’s all there is to it. It’s not a right like healthcare etc, it’s a luxury product you want. And you have to pay! I don't live alone in the house!! I was just surprised at the overall cost fortunately I can afford but if I wasn't working for any reason then Sky/BT would be my first "luxury" to go. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 12:27:52 GMT
Be interesting to see what the commitment to the supporter and notice period they will give to a fixture being moved. Up to the 3rd round of the cup all dates/times will apparently be confirmed before the season starts, although that won't help fans buying season tickets in April so probably meaningless anyway, as match day sales are probably only made a couple of weeks before the fixture anyway, |
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Post by gulfofaden on May 6, 2023 12:33:13 GMT
Sky shares are available: Comcast own sky sports. Share price $40.43. No barrier to the average person. It’s paying a dividend of about 2.8%. So you could earn about £1.12 in profits from being an owner of Sky. Not quite the huge profiteering you think it is! In return for this, you bear the risk of the shares declining or Sky going bust. If you bought in 2021 the price was $60 so Comcast stockholders have lost about 1/3 since then. Comcast donate a lot of money to the US Democratic Party and have given them over $2.7M since 2012. Get and buy some shares and you too can take part in the wonderful game of capitalism. You’ll be providing jobs as well. Capitalism works but only for the big boys sadly. Think of this, of the nearly £70 billion raised in advertising OUR GAME media companies make 80%! So they are the winners in the game, meanwhile the clubs and fans who ARE THE GAME make a pittance and have to dance to the big boys tune. Our clubs, and their supporters deserve better, we are the product and always will be , the pandemic proved this. It’s not your game. You are a paying customer. If you ran a football club or a media company it would be your game, or at least a part of it. It’s our game as much as British Gas is our gas, or Netflix is our Netflix! None of us have our capital up. If a club fails none of us have to bail it out and sell out homes. We aren’t the owners of the game. You might argue on a spiritual level it’s our game but to me that’s edging into abstraction. The £70BN for a start will carry a lot of tax so you’ll get some back. The media companies buy the rights. You can’t have it both ways, the clubs are paid for the rights. Genuinely, all of us CAN make capitalism work for us. It’s right there - you can hop online and buy the share and have an equal share of the profits. Of course, the more you have in some ways you have more control, but anyone can take part. I wish this was taught in school. We have publicly owned companies. We can all access them. The reality is that most people want the reward but they don’t want risk. They don’t want the risk of being down 30% over 2 years like Comcast shareholders are. If you don’t take risk, you don’t get rewards. Most people having any amount of money say “oh no. I don’t want risk. Put it in the bank”. Others say “bet the farm. I believe in myself/my product” and those people sometimes end up like Elon musk. Then, those who didn’t want the risk claim it’s foul play and resent buying their cars or their products. When if they’d bought a Tesla share or an Amazon share we would all be winners. Even when they get an inheritance it’s generally direct to buying property. They have no issues extorting a young family out of £1200 a month for a pile of crap, that’s the market rate but kick and scream when their sky bill goes up. This is a long diatribe but it frustrates me. I’m not having a pop at you directly here it’s just the general attitude of people who feel aggrieved at companies doing useful things and enriching their staff and shareholders while refusing to join them. It’s $40 to buy a Comcast share and it’s about time we educated kids on how the system works. It’s an amazing system, the best yet devised by man, with its own problems of course. Enfranchise people into the system - invest and we all win together! |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 12:36:08 GMT
Doesn't that include the first and last games of the season, international breaks, cup games and mid week games? If it is 5 from each league then who's going to watch all those L2 games, when most clubs struggle to get 5,000 attendances at present. If they’re going to show 16 games a season per L1 club it’ll need to be many more than 2 or 3 fixtures per league over a weekend. There will be 12 fixtures per league per match day. Show 5 and the average club will be shown 19 times. Show only 3 and the average club 11.5. I don’t think they’ll be showing all fixtures on the first/final day and international break. It’ll be like the FA Cup where you get updates from a series of fixtures and a main fixture being broadcast. As for 5 fixtures space it out across 2 or 3 channels (maybe 1 per league), Friday 7.45, sat at 12ish,5ish, Sun at 12.30, 3, 5.30pm and you have plenty of chance to show 5 fixtures for a league. The suggestion seems to be all first/last etc fixtures will be shown otherwise wouldn't they say a selection of fixtures? For the "attractive" teams like Wednesday up to 50% of their games could be shown live at random times across the weekend. Instead of worrying about the blackout have the EFL bothered to ask fans if they'll still attend games if it's not played at 3pm on a Saturday given that fans have been doing it for decades. |
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Post by The Equaliser on May 6, 2023 12:51:29 GMT
Capitalism works but only for the big boys sadly. Think of this, of the nearly £70 billion raised in advertising OUR GAME media companies make 80%! So they are the winners in the game, meanwhile the clubs and fans who ARE THE GAME make a pittance and have to dance to the big boys tune. Our clubs, and their supporters deserve better, we are the product and always will be , the pandemic proved this. It’s not your game. You are a paying customer. If you ran a football club or a media company it would be your game, or at least a part of it. It’s our game as much as British Gas is our gas, or Netflix is our Netflix! None of us have our capital up. If a club fails none of us have to bail it out and sell out homes. We aren’t the owners of the game. You might argue on a spiritual level it’s our game but to me that’s edging into abstraction. The £70BN for a start will carry a lot of tax so you’ll get some back. The media companies buy the rights. You can’t have it both ways, the clubs are paid for the rights. Genuinely, all of us CAN make capitalism work for us. It’s right there - you can hop online and buy the share and have an equal share of the profits. Of course, the more you have in some ways you have more control, but anyone can take part. I wish this was taught in school. We have publicly owned companies. We can all access them. The reality is that most people want the reward but they don’t want risk. They don’t want the risk of being down 30% over 2 years like Comcast shareholders are. If you don’t take risk, you don’t get rewards. Most people having any amount of money say “oh no. I don’t want risk. Put it in the bank”. Others say “bet the farm. I believe in myself/my product” and those people sometimes end up like Elon musk. Then, those who didn’t want the risk claim it’s foul play and resent buying their cars or their products. When if they’d bought a Tesla share or an Amazon share we would all be winners. Even when they get an inheritance it’s generally direct to buying property. They have no issues extorting a young family out of £1200 a month for a pile of crap, that’s the market rate but kick and scream when their sky bill goes up. This is a long diatribe but it frustrates me. I’m not having a pop at you directly here it’s just the general attitude of people who feel aggrieved at companies doing useful things and enriching their staff and shareholders while refusing to join them. It’s $40 to buy a Comcast share and it’s about time we educated kids on how the system works. It’s an amazing system, the best yet devised by man, with its own problems of course. Enfranchise people into the system - invest and we all win together! That was Party Political Broadcast by The Conservative Party…. …. and now back to our usual programs. 😂 |
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Post by ashlinggas on May 6, 2023 12:52:40 GMT
According to the Guardian today, 26 out of 36 efl games will kick off at 3pm on a typical Saturday, seven championship games and 19 in Leagues 1 and 2. So five games get moved from the lower two divisions, presumably to 12.30pm. Even with a two and a half hour drive to get there that's not so terrible for me personally. I'm more bothered about the online availability of games I can't get to. A 24 hour NowTV pass costs about the same as ifollow, but I'm not sure if all games will be covered?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 13:29:25 GMT
It seems games can be shown from Friday evening to Sunday not just mid-day Saturday, which makes sense as Sky can't show all L1/L2 games at the same time on a Saturday lunchtime
L1 sides are apparently being shown on average 16 times a season, so probably around half of those will be weekend games. If we're in the top 6 that could well be more games moved.
Not sure all this inconvenience is worth a 25% increase in Sky money. Employing stewards etc could be fun when a club can't even tell them which day they'll be working on a weekend!
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Post by gulfofaden on May 6, 2023 13:40:41 GMT
It’s not your game. You are a paying customer. If you ran a football club or a media company it would be your game, or at least a part of it. It’s our game as much as British Gas is our gas, or Netflix is our Netflix! None of us have our capital up. If a club fails none of us have to bail it out and sell out homes. We aren’t the owners of the game. You might argue on a spiritual level it’s our game but to me that’s edging into abstraction. The £70BN for a start will carry a lot of tax so you’ll get some back. The media companies buy the rights. You can’t have it both ways, the clubs are paid for the rights. Genuinely, all of us CAN make capitalism work for us. It’s right there - you can hop online and buy the share and have an equal share of the profits. Of course, the more you have in some ways you have more control, but anyone can take part. I wish this was taught in school. We have publicly owned companies. We can all access them. The reality is that most people want the reward but they don’t want risk. They don’t want the risk of being down 30% over 2 years like Comcast shareholders are. If you don’t take risk, you don’t get rewards. Most people having any amount of money say “oh no. I don’t want risk. Put it in the bank”. Others say “bet the farm. I believe in myself/my product” and those people sometimes end up like Elon musk. Then, those who didn’t want the risk claim it’s foul play and resent buying their cars or their products. When if they’d bought a Tesla share or an Amazon share we would all be winners. Even when they get an inheritance it’s generally direct to buying property. They have no issues extorting a young family out of £1200 a month for a pile of crap, that’s the market rate but kick and scream when their sky bill goes up. This is a long diatribe but it frustrates me. I’m not having a pop at you directly here it’s just the general attitude of people who feel aggrieved at companies doing useful things and enriching their staff and shareholders while refusing to join them. It’s $40 to buy a Comcast share and it’s about time we educated kids on how the system works. It’s an amazing system, the best yet devised by man, with its own problems of course. Enfranchise people into the system - invest and we all win together! That was Party Political Broadcast by The Conservative Party…. …. and now back to our usual programs. 😂 it’s way too much of a convincing and positive argument to be associated with politicians. All the brains are in business making money, politics is like the “improvers” set for oxbridge grads! They are politicians precisely because they didn’t do the above very well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 13:43:13 GMT
It seems games can be shown from Friday evening to Sunday not just mid-day Saturday, which makes sense as Sky can't show all L1/L2 games at the same time on a Saturday lunchtime L1 sides are apparently being shown on average 16 times a season, so probably around half of those will be weekend games. If we're in the top 6 that could well be more games moved. Not sure all this inconvenience is worth a 25% increase in Sky money. Employing stewards etc could be fun when a club can't even tell them which day they'll be working on a weekend! . and everything then has a knock on effect. Play on a Sunday then a scheduled Tuesday game the following week gets moved to a Wednesday.routine bang out the window. Get away with it in prem as a seat will sell but not in the bottom 2 divisions |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 13:50:11 GMT
It seems games can be shown from Friday evening to Sunday not just mid-day Saturday, which makes sense as Sky can't show all L1/L2 games at the same time on a Saturday lunchtime L1 sides are apparently being shown on average 16 times a season, so probably around half of those will be weekend games. If we're in the top 6 that could well be more games moved. Not sure all this inconvenience is worth a 25% increase in Sky money. Employing stewards etc could be fun when a club can't even tell them which day they'll be working on a weekend! . and everything then has a knock on effect. Play on a Sunday then a scheduled Tuesday game the following week gets moved to a Wednesday.routine bang out the window. Get away with it in prem as a seat will sell but not in the bottom 2 divisions Staffing could also be a nightmare at our level, as who's going to take a part time job when the club can't even confirm what day of the weekend they'll be expected to work, or if they'll be required to work on Tuesday or Wednesday evenings. The big clubs don't care as they can afford to pay staff extra for the inconvenience. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 13:55:06 GMT
According to the Guardian today, 26 out of 36 efl games will kick off at 3pm on a typical Saturday, seven championship games and 19 in Leagues 1 and 2. So five games get moved from the lower two divisions, presumably to 12.30pm. Even with a two and a half hour drive to get there that's not so terrible for me personally. I'm more bothered about the online availability of games I can't get to. A 24 hour NowTV pass costs about the same as ifollow, but I'm not sure if all games will be covered? It sounds like you'll need a Sky subscription as some games are only being shown on their app. |
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Post by wertongas on May 6, 2023 13:59:12 GMT
One good thing for me, is if games kick off at 12:30 i can get home in winter in the light, having to travel in the dark back to mid Wiltshire in the dark with bad weather can be tiring,certainly feel safer driving in the light. So not all bad.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 14:08:47 GMT
On the flip side you'll be travelling to and from the games in the dark for the 17:30 or later kick offs. hopefully some idiot doesn't decide that a 19:45 kick off on a Saturday or Sunday is a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 14:08:58 GMT
According to the Guardian today, 26 out of 36 efl games will kick off at 3pm on a typical Saturday, seven championship games and 19 in Leagues 1 and 2. So five games get moved from the lower two divisions, presumably to 12.30pm. Even with a two and a half hour drive to get there that's not so terrible for me personally. I'm more bothered about the online availability of games I can't get to. A 24 hour NowTV pass costs about the same as ifollow, but I'm not sure if all games will be covered? It sounds like you'll need a Sky subscription as some games are only being shown on their app. ifollow in the UK only for audio.it will be a separate streaming app to watch a game. So probably will end up being a monthly fee with 30 day notice period now sky have got their claws into it |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2023 14:21:45 GMT
It sounds like you'll need a Sky subscription as some games are only being shown on their app. ifollow in the UK only for audio.it will be a separate streaming app to watch a game. So probably will end up being a monthly fee with 30 day notice period now sky have got their claws into it Sky will just use the Sky Go app or you'll need Sky Stream at home, no idea what will happen with international iFollow games in the future. |
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