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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 24, 2023 20:58:25 GMT
One to watch or nothing to see here?
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 25, 2023 9:31:48 GMT
Of course, and that's the debate isn't it. The message from our leaders to justify the interventions didn't return the results, plus had a huge impact on the economy. Added to this the increase in nhs waiting lists and the mental health issues for kids and stressed adults is likely to turn any small % benefits upside down. Protecting the most vulnerable was obviously the way to go, plus self policing and common sense. To lock down the healthy, and stop kids and people without symptoms contributing to the country was foolish. The elephant in the room is excess mortality which only Bridgen is shouting about. That mortality % over a longer term will show that previously healthy people will suffer way more that what covid could ever have done. Excess mortality isn't necessarily that useful as a number of other factors would skew the figures. Death from other flu like illnesses were down offsetting the covid numbers, for example, or the effect of long covid. It's a useful starting point though. Once you have large chunks of data over brackets of time, you can drill into it to expose those factors or events. It's also useful to see trends in groups of people. For example, if excess mortality amongst the 30-40 age range increases by X from 2017-2020 to 2021-2024, its fair to start building conclusions that something has changed. Then we can drill into the causes and start making sense of it. It seems that they only put effort into presenting data like this if it helps to sell products. I do it myself btw. Bridgens conference will hopefully show data from a different viewpoint from other 'experts'. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 25, 2023 9:52:08 GMT
Excess mortality isn't necessarily that useful as a number of other factors would skew the figures. Death from other flu like illnesses were down offsetting the covid numbers, for example, or the effect of long covid. It's a useful starting point though. Once you have large chunks of data over brackets of time, you can drill into it to expose those factors or events. It's also useful to see trends in groups of people. For example, if excess mortality amongst the 30-40 age range increases by X from 2017-2020 to 2021-2024, its fair to start building conclusions that something has changed. Then we can drill into the causes and start making sense of it. It seems that they only put effort into presenting data like this if it helps to sell products. I do it myself btw. Bridgens conference will hopefully show data from a different viewpoint from other 'experts'. Bridgen is such a loon that the party full of absolute loons chucked him out for being too loony ! 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 26, 2023 9:40:17 GMT
It's a useful starting point though. Once you have large chunks of data over brackets of time, you can drill into it to expose those factors or events. It's also useful to see trends in groups of people. For example, if excess mortality amongst the 30-40 age range increases by X from 2017-2020 to 2021-2024, its fair to start building conclusions that something has changed. Then we can drill into the causes and start making sense of it. It seems that they only put effort into presenting data like this if it helps to sell products. I do it myself btw. Bridgens conference will hopefully show data from a different viewpoint from other 'experts'. Bridgen is such a loon that the party full of absolute loons chucked him out for being too loony ! 😂😂😂😂😂 Indeed. I try not to shoot messengers though and it's not uncommon for politicians to round on eachother for personal gain. He goes against the majority which I think is good service to the public. I certainly want to hear the other side of the story even if Bojo and his allies would prefer me not to for whatever reason. The country has suffered and wasted money. Baroness Mone is hiding, Track and Trace costing billions, AZ being pulled for safety, Schools shut, Jobs lost etc. I want to know what it was all about and why so many voices were silenced apart from the ones that went along with it. Dr Steve James snookering Javid live on the news was a rare glimpse at an alternative viewpoint and the mob quickly tried to shut him down! But yeah, he will fit into your loon camp for sure. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 26, 2023 9:59:27 GMT
Bridgen is such a loon that the party full of absolute loons chucked him out for being too loony ! 😂😂😂😂😂 Indeed. I try not to shoot messengers though and it's not uncommon for politicians to round on eachother for personal gain. He goes against the majority which I think is good service to the public. I certainly want to hear the other side of the story even if Bojo and his allies would prefer me not to for whatever reason. The country has suffered and wasted money. Baroness Mone is hiding, Track and Trace costing billions, AZ being pulled for safety, Schools shut, Jobs lost etc. I want to know what it was all about and why so many voices were silenced apart from the ones that went along with it. Dr Steve James snookering Javid live on the news was a rare glimpse at an alternative viewpoint and the mob quickly tried to shut him down! But yeah, he will fit into your loon camp for sure. The country wasted money and lives because we had incompetent leaders who shut down too late costing lives and gave money to their mates. Of course you didn’t want a lock down did you ? You were happy for others to die just as long as you could have your ‘fweeedom’. 🙄 x.com/terrychristian/status/1727717456645370154?s=61&t=40THHNNCsOVl4Ddwb35AKA |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 26, 2023 10:12:41 GMT
ConservativeWoman.co.uk has a known agenda and a misleading domain address... ...as an aside, for those who know how statistical anomalies work this seems to be a clear and obvious example. When the sample size is reduced, what would previously have been minor statistical blips are magnified as a percentage...not as a cause.... Data. Within 14 days of jab = unvaccinated, meaning issues or reactions were not counted as associated with the meds. Within 28 days of a positive test result though(a self administered cotton bud up the nose...) = as a result of covid? These types of figures shaped policy. Total madness bit at least they are talking about it. |
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Post by supergas on Nov 26, 2023 10:53:01 GMT
ConservativeWoman.co.uk has a known agenda and a misleading domain address... ...as an aside, for those who know how statistical anomalies work this seems to be a clear and obvious example. When the sample size is reduced, what would previously have been minor statistical blips are magnified as a percentage...not as a cause.... Data. Within 14 days of jab = unvaccinated, meaning issues or reactions were not counted as associated with the meds. Within 28 days of a positive test result though(a self administered cotton bud up the nose...) = as a result of covid? These types of figures shaped policy. Total madness bit at least they are talking about it. You'll have to help me out, I can't be bothered with 23 mins of that to find the key points you're talking about and/or the studies they reference. Can you link me to the parts of the video that have facts I can check? One think I can tell from the first 60 seconds was that wasn't in the EU Parliament - it was a press conference at the EU Parliament, so that does change what they can say and whether they need to back it up with facts - and may explain why it was streamed but not recorded as it wasn't actually Parliamentary business... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 26, 2023 11:22:14 GMT
Data. Within 14 days of jab = unvaccinated, meaning issues or reactions were not counted as associated with the meds. Within 28 days of a positive test result though(a self administered cotton bud up the nose...) = as a result of covid? These types of figures shaped policy. Total madness bit at least they are talking about it. You'll have to help me out, I can't be bothered with 23 mins of that to find the key points you're talking about and/or the studies they reference. Can you link me to the parts of the video that have facts I can check? One think I can tell from the first 60 seconds was that wasn't in the EU Parliament - it was a press conference at the EU Parliament, so that does change what they can say and whether they need to back it up with facts - and may explain why it was streamed but not recorded as it wasn't actually Parliamentary business... Covered and debunked several times on this thread iirc, certainly no 'gotcha' scenario. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 26, 2023 12:29:14 GMT
You'll have to help me out, I can't be bothered with 23 mins of that to find the key points you're talking about and/or the studies they reference. Can you link me to the parts of the video that have facts I can check? One think I can tell from the first 60 seconds was that wasn't in the EU Parliament - it was a press conference at the EU Parliament, so that does change what they can say and whether they need to back it up with facts - and may explain why it was streamed but not recorded as it wasn't actually Parliamentary business... Covered and debunked several times on this thread iirc, certainly no 'gotcha' scenario. Again. Jesus, it's tedious isn't it |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 26, 2023 12:51:57 GMT
Andrew Bridgen? If someone be known by the company they keep?
Some of the suggestions on the link are funny, though.😃
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Post by supergas on Nov 27, 2023 11:55:28 GMT
You'll have to help me out, I can't be bothered with 23 mins of that to find the key points you're talking about and/or the studies they reference. Can you link me to the parts of the video that have facts I can check? One think I can tell from the first 60 seconds was that wasn't in the EU Parliament - it was a press conference at the EU Parliament, so that does change what they can say and whether they need to back it up with facts - and may explain why it was streamed but not recorded as it wasn't actually Parliamentary business... Covered and debunked several times on this thread iirc, certainly no 'gotcha' scenario. ...almost certainly, but it would be fun to do it again... |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2023 12:01:03 GMT
Covered and debunked several times on this thread iirc, certainly no 'gotcha' scenario. ...almost certainly, but it would be fun to do it again... You call that fun? You need to get yourself a hobby Super , something like studying Stadia around the world . 😃 |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 27, 2023 19:54:17 GMT
Data. Within 14 days of jab = unvaccinated, meaning issues or reactions were not counted as associated with the meds. Within 28 days of a positive test result though(a self administered cotton bud up the nose...) = as a result of covid? These types of figures shaped policy. Total madness bit at least they are talking about it. You'll have to help me out, I can't be bothered with 23 mins of that to find the key points you're talking about and/or the studies they reference. Can you link me to the parts of the video that have facts I can check? One think I can tell from the first 60 seconds was that wasn't in the EU Parliament - it was a press conference at the EU Parliament, so that does change what they can say and whether they need to back it up with facts - and may explain why it was streamed but not recorded as it wasn't actually Parliamentary business... You don't need help, your just digressing. You mentioned anomalies in data and I only posted a video to give an example of how data can be stacked to achieve an outcome. In this case 14 days after a jab before you are 'vaccinated' rendering any issues on that time as suffered by an unvaccinated person. Likewise any mortality within 28 days of a positive test(a test which could have been self administered) was ticked as a covid death. You're asking for facts but the issue is that from my perspective the response to a spurious illness from overseas was built on lies. The 'facts' we were getting from Boris etc al were fabricated peices of BS. I cant win an argument here, only wait until those still convinced eventually concede. It's happening though. Just ask around. |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 27, 2023 19:55:43 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2023 20:02:08 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 27, 2023 20:07:12 GMT
The Slovak or the twitter account? The latter seems to be full of conspiracies. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2023 20:18:24 GMT
The Slovak or the twitter account? The latter seems to be full of conspiracies. 79 is the gift that keeps on giving 😂 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 27, 2023 22:35:17 GMT
You'll have to help me out, I can't be bothered with 23 mins of that to find the key points you're talking about and/or the studies they reference. Can you link me to the parts of the video that have facts I can check? One think I can tell from the first 60 seconds was that wasn't in the EU Parliament - it was a press conference at the EU Parliament, so that does change what they can say and whether they need to back it up with facts - and may explain why it was streamed but not recorded as it wasn't actually Parliamentary business... You don't need help, your just digressing. You mentioned anomalies in data and I only posted a video to give an example of how data can be stacked to achieve an outcome. In this case 14 days after a jab before you are 'vaccinated' rendering any issues on that time as suffered by an unvaccinated person. Likewise any mortality within 28 days of a positive test(a test which could have been self administered) was ticked as a covid death. You're asking for facts but the issue is that from my perspective the response to a spurious illness from overseas was built on lies. The 'facts' we were getting from Boris etc al were fabricated peices of BS. I cant win an argument here, only wait until those still convinced eventually concede. It's happening though. Just ask around. "but the issue is that from my perspective the response to a spurious illness from overseas was built on lies" Pathogens have nationality, who knew?? This gets funnier and funnier |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 28, 2023 15:34:56 GMT
The Slovak or the twitter account? The latter seems to be full of conspiracies. I didn't look at the account tbh, just watched the video. I did also notice that the Slovak PM is accused of being pro-Russian, so that will obviously degrade any credibility he might have had amongst some observers. |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 28, 2023 15:36:42 GMT
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