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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 5, 2023 21:57:11 GMT
reading the report, the punishment is a result of previous charges over a collection of years and no improvement in Joey's attitude/manner etc on the touchline, not just this specific incident Joey is no saint of course. However I do think his reputation precedes him and imo it is a bit of a witch hunt. At the top of the game you see the likes of Jurgen Klopp do far worse. Defo ! 💙Utg |
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Post by phillistine on Jul 6, 2023 7:47:29 GMT
The problem with charges like this is that they are taken and analysed out of context when we have all calmed down and can agree what would have been the correct thing to do . Football is an emotional game though and i remember this. It wasnt an offside decision. i was right behind the incident and the referee had been ok generally but suddenly had a couple of minutes where he made a couple of mistakes and lost control. He booked a few players and then made a string of questionable decisions - which each were greeted with protests by players who were crowding him to the point that he lost his head . it all culminated in a very obvious foul on Coburn- I may be wrong with the player there - which he gave a ridiculous decision the wrong way. I know that we can all be biast but if i had been in JB's shoes then i would too have let off a few expletives as it was so obviously wrong and the players were affecting . JB was not running up and down the line or harranging the fourth official and from the rear he seemed to be quite calm. He hadnt had a warning that i was aware of so i was surprised when he was sent off . to me it was a referee trying to prove that he was in charge I thought refs were in charge? Surprised anybody is defending JB after reading the report, as it seems he swore at the ref at the end of the game for which he got a red card, having already got a yellow during the game, then had to be restrained by members of the Rovers staff from having another go at the ref, then 8(?) minutes after the game had finished decided to have another go at the ref. If JB had just calmed down and left it after picking up the red he would have probably escaped with a touchline ban. i was neither defending him or blaming him but commenting on the main incident as your original posting belittled it as disputing an " offside decision" in some meaningless end of season game . I was trying to make the point that we are all human and it is easy to criticise a decision made in the heat of the moment . You didnt mention his after match antics in your original posting which was what i was specifically commenting on . Jul 5, 2023 19:18:34 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 7:47:51 GMT
He was a wrong un before he arrived, we used to slaughter his behaviour on here before his appointment but now some feel forced to try and defend the indefensible.
Four identical offences over 4 years confirm he doesn't learn or want to change, he is who and what he is.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jul 6, 2023 8:49:26 GMT
reading the report, the punishment is a result of previous charges over a collection of years and no improvement in Joey's attitude/manner etc on the touchline, not just this specific incident Joey is no saint of course. However I do think his reputation precedes him and imo it is a bit of a witch hunt. At the top of the game you see the likes of Jurgen Klopp do far worse. Ah but they are always the victims so Klopp has a right to behave that way |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 6, 2023 9:05:10 GMT
Seems a bit pathetic to me. Hardly the crime of the century being sworn at a bit. I'm all for protecting officials but a stadium ban for calling someone a lady garden? Seems a bit much. I'm pretty sure if I called someone a Special lady garden at work I would be in a spot of bother as well tbh  |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 6, 2023 9:06:34 GMT
Seems a bit pathetic to me. Hardly the crime of the century being sworn at a bit. I'm all for protecting officials but a stadium ban for calling someone a lady garden? Seems a bit much. I'm pretty sure if I called someone a Special lady garden at work I would be in a spot of bother as well tbh Excellent - so you say on here and it automatically replaces with "Special lady garden" I even put ** instead of "un" Interesting stuff Wonder what happens when you write sCUNThorpe? |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 6, 2023 9:12:57 GMT
He was a wrong un before he arrived, we used to slaughter his behaviour on here before his appointment but now some feel forced to try and defend the indefensible. Four identical offences over 4 years confirm he doesn't learn or want to change, he is who and what he is. Exactly. All the posts defending him are just deflecting from the main point. He doesn’t learn and officials need to be protected from his verbal attacks. And if he had to be restrained by the staff it’s not a good look. The hypocrisy of it all. If Steve Evans were to do the same here this season we would all give him stick. (We’ll probability give him stick anyway!) UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 6, 2023 9:17:17 GMT
They should try working for Local Government - "I pay your wages, you effing lazy slag, etc, etc, etc" They don't even get a red card for that! Never ever work for local gov ! 👎 Worked for local government for 40 years. If anyone had done what JB has been accused of and what he’s admitted to and had to be restrained by his staff from doing worse to me or my staff in schools they would have been banned from the school site for some time. Only had to do it twice in that time. UTG! |
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Post by oldie on Jul 6, 2023 9:32:08 GMT
He was a wrong un before he arrived, we used to slaughter his behaviour on here before his appointment but now some feel forced to try and defend the indefensible. Four identical offences over 4 years confirm he doesn't learn or want to change, he is who and what he is. Exactly. All the posts defending him are just deflecting from the main point. He doesn’t learn and officials need to be protected from his verbal attacks. And if he had to be restrained by the staff it’s not a good look. The hypocrisy of it all. If Steve Evans were to do the same here this season we would all give him stick. (We’ll probability give him stick anyway!) UTG! Absolutely Some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves |
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Post by phillistine on Jul 6, 2023 10:02:58 GMT
Exactly. All the posts defending him are just deflecting from the main point. He doesn’t learn and officials need to be protected from his verbal attacks. And if he had to be restrained by the staff it’s not a good look. The hypocrisy of it all. If Steve Evans were to do the same here this season we would all give him stick. (We’ll probability give him stick anyway!) UTG! Absolutely Some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves i agree that some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves. So many are whiter than white until you realize of course that their opinions are so judgemental and often not thought through. The reality is that Barton should have learned his lesson but at the same time there is no doubt at all that he is a marked guy. i have no doubt at all that the ref in question booked him because of who he is and yes Barton then reacted badly in the aftermath. " Taking a long hard look at myself" - i am not sure what that comment says about me - no doubt someone will let me know . |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 6, 2023 10:53:34 GMT
Absolutely Some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves i agree that some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves. So many are whiter than white until you realize of course that their opinions are so judgemental and often not thought through. The reality is that Barton should have learned his lesson but at the same time there is no doubt at all that he is a marked guy. i have no doubt at all that the ref in question booked him because of who he is and yes Barton then reacted badly in the aftermath. " Taking a long hard look at myself" - i am not sure what that comment says about me - no doubt someone will let me know . Far be it from me to reply on oldie’s behalf. He can do that himself. But I got involved in this thread because, imo, many posters were being very hypocritical. I was reading all sorts of deflection comparing JB with Klopp, ‘being a marked man’, ‘offences not that bad’ etc. Few accepted that it was the wrong thing to do. ItsThe referee like the umpire is right and has to be accepted, if that breaks down then the manager/fans with the loudest voices win. And if JB is that intelligent, knowing that he is a ‘marked man’ should make him more careful not keep repeating the same old stuff. His emotion outweighs his intelligence perhaps. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 11:01:54 GMT
i agree that some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves. So many are whiter than white until you realize of course that their opinions are so judgemental and often not thought through. The reality is that Barton should have learned his lesson but at the same time there is no doubt at all that he is a marked guy. i have no doubt at all that the ref in question booked him because of who he is and yes Barton then reacted badly in the aftermath. " Taking a long hard look at myself" - i am not sure what that comment says about me - no doubt someone will let me know . Far be it from me to reply on oldie’s behalf. He can do that himself. But I got involved in this thread because, imo, many posters were being very hypocritical. I was reading all sorts of deflection comparing JB with Klopp, ‘being a marked man’, ‘offences not that bad’ etc. Few accepted that it was the wrong thing to do. ItsThe referee like the umpire is right and has to be accepted, if that breaks down then the manager/fans with the loudest voices win. And if JB is that intelligent, knowing that he is a ‘marked man’ should make him more careful not keep repeating the same old stuff. His emotion outweighs his intelligence perhaps. UTG! I think some people use the phrase "Marked Man" rather than the correct phrase, "Serial Offender." I note that Bristol Rovers are being invoiced for the near £5,000 penalties imposed, it will be interesting to know who will be paying that. Perhaps a statement from the CEO to confirm and whether JB has been reprimanded using the clubs code of conduct which exists typically for this type of event. Any news on the other charge for Andy Mangan and the alleged homophobic comments against Plymouth or has the charge been dropped? |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 6, 2023 11:35:10 GMT
Never ever work for local gov ! 👎 Worked for local government for 40 years. If anyone had done what JB has been accused of and what he’s admitted to and had to be restrained by his staff from doing worse to me or my staff in schools they would have been banned from the school site for some time. Only had to do it twice in that time. UTG! How do you know his staff were restraining him "from doing worse"? I assumed that they were restraining him from following the referee to continue his verbal tirade. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 6, 2023 11:36:41 GMT
Exactly. All the posts defending him are just deflecting from the main point. He doesn’t learn and officials need to be protected from his verbal attacks. And if he had to be restrained by the staff it’s not a good look. The hypocrisy of it all. If Steve Evans were to do the same here this season we would all give him stick. (We’ll probability give him stick anyway!) UTG! Absolutely Some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves Can you see me on the naughty step, as you look down from your high horse? |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 6, 2023 11:37:58 GMT
Never ever work for local gov ! 👎 Worked for local government for 40 years. If anyone had done what JB has been accused of and what he’s admitted to and had to be restrained by his staff from doing worse to me or my staff in schools they would have been banned from the school site for some time. Only had to do it twice in that time. UTG! Interested to know if that was in local government offices, or a school setting? I've done both, and there is definitely a difference. |
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Post by phillistine on Jul 6, 2023 11:54:33 GMT
Far be it from me to reply on oldie’s behalf. He can do that himself. But I got involved in this thread because, imo, many posters were being very hypocritical. I was reading all sorts of deflection comparing JB with Klopp, ‘being a marked man’, ‘offences not that bad’ etc. Few accepted that it was the wrong thing to do. ItsThe referee like the umpire is right and has to be accepted, if that breaks down then the manager/fans with the loudest voices win. And if JB is that intelligent, knowing that he is a ‘marked man’ should make him more careful not keep repeating the same old stuff. His emotion outweighs his intelligence perhaps. UTG! I think some people use the phrase "Marked Man" rather than the correct phrase, "Serial Offender." I note that Bristol Rovers are being invoiced for the near £5,000 penalties imposed, it will be interesting to know who will be paying that. Perhaps a statement from the CEO to confirm and whether JB has been reprimanded using the clubs code of conduct which exists typically for this type of event. Any news on the other charge for Andy Mangan and the alleged homophobic comments against Plymouth or has the charge been dropped? so you think that being a marked man and serial offender mean the same thing? Alex Ferguson had a reputation for telling refs what he thought but how often was he banned? As for who pays the fines then that is for the club to decide and nothing to do with the fans. So many people seem to think that because the club do not go public with internal matters then they are doing nothing. It doesn't work that way |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 12:04:21 GMT
I think some people use the phrase "Marked Man" rather than the correct phrase, "Serial Offender." I note that Bristol Rovers are being invoiced for the near £5,000 penalties imposed, it will be interesting to know who will be paying that. Perhaps a statement from the CEO to confirm and whether JB has been reprimanded using the clubs code of conduct which exists typically for this type of event. Any news on the other charge for Andy Mangan and the alleged homophobic comments against Plymouth or has the charge been dropped? so you think that being a marked man and serial offender mean the same thing? Alex Ferguson had a reputation for telling refs what he thought but how often was he banned? As for who pays the fines then that is for the club to decide and nothing to do with the fans. So many people seem to think that because the club do not go public with internal matters then they are doing nothing. It doesn't work that way In this instance yes, he is a serial offender who some describe as a marked man.  I can't think of any occasions where Ferguson was convicted of acts of violence which made his work mates hold him back from repeating offending. Actually I think you are right, any statement from the club is needless as the words often prove to be meaningless. Hopefully though the 50/50 money is safe on this occasion. Any news on Andy Mangan? |
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Post by bs10er on Jul 6, 2023 12:10:56 GMT
I am quite happy to have JB as our manager,I quite like him,but he should learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes(for his own good).
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 6, 2023 12:14:37 GMT
What is it nowadays with people conflating being held to account with persecution  I say people.. I mean Trump and the Tories |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 6, 2023 12:36:54 GMT
so you think that being a marked man and serial offender mean the same thing? Alex Ferguson had a reputation for telling refs what he thought but how often was he banned? As for who pays the fines then that is for the club to decide and nothing to do with the fans. So many people seem to think that because the club do not go public with internal matters then they are doing nothing. It doesn't work that way In this instance yes, he is a serial offender who some describe as a marked man. I can't think of any occasions where Ferguson was convicted of acts of violence which made his work mates hold him back from repeating offending. Actually I think you are right, any statement from the club is needless as the words often prove to be meaningless. Hopefully though the 50/50 money is safe on this occasion. Any news on Andy Mangan? I haven't seen any further information re. Andy Mangan. Which is disgraceful, to leave somebody with that accussation hanging over their head, regardless of the final outcome. |
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I can't think of any occasions where Ferguson was convicted of acts of violence which made his work mates hold him back from repeating offending. Actually I think you are right, any statement from the club is needless as the words often prove to be meaningless. Hopefully though the 50/50 money is safe on this occasion. 
