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Sept 9, 2023 10:37:48 GMT
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2023 10:37:48 GMT
1. Yes we do. We didn't get the paperwork in on time and didn't request an extension of 15 mins. Now go back and read the previous 150 pages again.2. The correct approach would have been: Get planning permission before taking down the stand that was already there. Not sell season tickets for the new stand before the thing has been built Avoid Football league fines due to not having 200 seats for away fans Liaise with the local authorities and local residents at the same time as putting in the planning permission request. When making the planning request, do the correct paperwork. You get the gist. OK. On page 152 pirate says "Liz Elsom spoke on the podcast confirming that Rovers' request for a 15-minute extension was lodged at 11:01 and the transfer itself at 11:17, meaning that the club missed out." That contradicts your assertion that we "didn't request an extension of 15 mins" so I therefore contend that we do not know who is telling the truth. This is why this thread will continue ad infinitum. But strangely they didn't apply for the extension until AFTER the deadline despite reminders at around 10.30 from Liz Elsom that the 'quick application'/15 minute extension was possible. As DMaC explained on the podcast: "She said to me, 'it's not in the system Darragh' so I'm like okay, they've missed the submission deadline and if they haven't filed for the emergency extension, it's no good. At 11:01, I knew it wasn't happening. I was just like what? I give up. "Then I've got to tell the manager, 'he's still here, he's coming back' and he was like, 'what's going on?'" |
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Post by gasify on Sept 9, 2023 10:38:26 GMT
1. Yes we do. We didn't get the paperwork in on time and didn't request an extension of 15 mins. Now go back and read the previous 150 pages again.2. The correct approach would have been: Get planning permission before taking down the stand that was already there. Not sell season tickets for the new stand before the thing has been built Avoid Football league fines due to not having 200 seats for away fans Liaise with the local authorities and local residents at the same time as putting in the planning permission request. When making the planning request, do the correct paperwork. You get the gist. OK. On page 152 pirate says "Liz Elsom spoke on the podcast confirming that Rovers' request for a 15-minute extension was lodged at 11:01 and the transfer itself at 11:17, meaning that the club missed out." That contradicts your assertion that we "didn't request an extension of 15 mins" so I therefore contend that we do not know who is telling the truth. This is why this thread will continue ad infinitum. Are you really such a pedant. The deadline was 11pm. We lodged for an extension after the deadline. We didn't even meet the deadline to extend the deadline to lodge the paperwork. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 10:43:16 GMT
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 9, 2023 10:43:16 GMT
JCH or (insert your name or names) would have been expected to score at least double figures, or ideally that golden 20 goals mark.
I don't see AE, JM, AC, LT or SS scoring individually those amounts, so they'll have to distribute that allocation between them as a bare minimum.
I can actually see the method in the madness that at only 5 goals each, they accomplish a good jch score per season.
... backed up with others behind them, like Grant last week, and the odd Taylor goal we know he's got in him.....as an optimistic post, goalscoring might not be the problem we have until next transfer window.
The problem is getting the defence coordination and team gelling asap, especially when pitches and weather gets harder, to halt a disaster of a great relegation battle of 2024.
So we save a cool £1m and play as a team..
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 9, 2023 10:59:24 GMT
What I don’t get is Posh are really determined to sell and still really determined to get shot now in January.
What do they know? Is it more than just cashing in before the contract is up?
There seems to be disappointment and frustration on their part they still have JCH.
If we were Posh fans tho, we’d be delighted.
Doesn’t smell right. Maybe there’s something deeper as to why this didn’t go through and if we don’t go back in in Jan, that will only further the suspicion I have now.
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Post by gasify on Sept 9, 2023 11:09:56 GMT
What I don’t get is Posh are really determined to sell and still really determined to get shot now in January. What do they know? Is it more than just cashing in before the contract is up? There seems to be disappointment and frustration on their part they still have JCH. If we were Posh fans tho, we’d be delighted. Doesn’t smell right. Maybe there’s something deeper as to why this didn’t go through and if we don’t go back in in Jan, that will only further the suspicion I have now. The early reports mentioned additional medical checks. He could be injured. However, if that was the case announcing that to our fan base would have changed the view from our fans and villains would be turned to heroes. The fact the we applied for the extension late suggest that wasn't the case. The fact that we tried to lodge something suggests that we were happy with the deal. The only alternative to that narration is that we purposely lodged it late. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 11:26:31 GMT
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Sept 9, 2023 11:26:31 GMT
What I don’t get is Posh are really determined to sell and still really determined to get shot now in January. What do they know? Is it more than just cashing in before the contract is up? There seems to be disappointment and frustration on their part they still have JCH. If we were Posh fans tho, we’d be delighted. Doesn’t smell right. Maybe there’s something deeper as to why this didn’t go through and if we don’t go back in in Jan, that will only further the suspicion I have now. The early reports mentioned additional medical checks. He could be injured. However, if that was the case announcing that to our fan base would have changed the view from our fans and villains would be turned to heroes. The fact the we applied for the extension late suggest that wasn't the case. The fact that we tried to lodge something suggests that we were happy with the deal. The only alternative to that narration is that we purposely lodged it late. I’m thinking more along the lines of your last paragraph, 4 seconds, 5 minutes late, 11.01pm for the extension all seem unlikely as a statement signing like this would show we’re serious about promotion, but moving along slowly enough to fall foul of the league rules they can still say “we tried” it was the players/Peterborough management/agents fault. If you want a marquee signing in the building you do the paperwork subject to medical/ last minute (not literally) changes in contract, say finish by 9:30ish so it’s ready to send, once agreed anything up to about 10:45 then you’re good to go. 11.01 seems bit suspicious to me. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 11:29:14 GMT
Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 9, 2023 11:29:14 GMT
What I don’t get is Posh are really determined to sell and still really determined to get shot now in January. What do they know? Is it more than just cashing in before the contract is up? There seems to be disappointment and frustration on their part they still have JCH. If we were Posh fans tho, we’d be delighted. Doesn’t smell right. Maybe there’s something deeper as to why this didn’t go through and if we don’t go back in in Jan, that will only further the suspicion I have now. The early reports mentioned additional medical checks. He could be injured. However, if that was the case announcing that to our fan base would have changed the view from our fans and villains would be turned to heroes. The fact the we applied for the extension late suggest that wasn't the case. The fact that we tried to lodge something suggests that we were happy with the deal. The only alternative to that narration is that we purposely lodged it late. MacAnthony already said that you can sign a player 'subject to a medical' and get further checks done after. He was due to start for Posh the following day so I cant see an injury coming into it. If the last line is true id imagine JCH wouldnt have liked being messed around because someones arse fell out and he will go elsewhere in Jan. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 12:23:16 GMT
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Post by percy on Sept 9, 2023 12:23:16 GMT
Wish our actual players were playing a game today. Feel the same points will still be being made until next weekend now.
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Post by Langford Gas on Sept 9, 2023 12:26:18 GMT
OK. On page 152 pirate says "Liz Elsom spoke on the podcast confirming that Rovers' request for a 15-minute extension was lodged at 11:01 and the transfer itself at 11:17, meaning that the club missed out." That contradicts your assertion that we "didn't request an extension of 15 mins" so I therefore contend that we do not know who is telling the truth. This is why this thread will continue ad infinitum. Are you really such a pedant. The deadline was 11pm. We lodged for an extension after the deadline. We didn't even meet the deadline to extend the deadline to lodge the paperwork. With respect to all concerned Clubs cannot request an extension ,not in the context that has been suggested by peterborough. "Clubs can legally circumvent the 11pm deadline by providing their league with a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes. This acts as a one-off extension for the buying club, affording them additional time to fill out the details required in FIFA’s Transfer Matching System, which cross-references details of any international transfer to ensure figures and fees are identical on both the selling and purchasing side." If they had to renegotiate T and C's with the players agent and did not submit a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes there is no extension. |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 9, 2023 12:30:46 GMT
Are you really such a pedant. The deadline was 11pm. We lodged for an extension after the deadline. We didn't even meet the deadline to extend the deadline to lodge the paperwork. With respect to all concerned Clubs cannot request an extension ,not in the context that has been suggested by peterborough. "Clubs can legally circumvent the 11pm deadline by providing their league with a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes. This acts as a one-off extension for the buying club, affording them additional time to fill out the details required in FIFA’s Transfer Matching System, which cross-references details of any international transfer to ensure figures and fees are identical on both the selling and purchasing side." If they had to renegotiate T and C's with the players agent and did not submit a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes there is no extension. Substantial detail here. Crushes some of the complaints heard by our legal beagle forumnites 😆 |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 12:38:10 GMT
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Post by kegandegg on Sept 9, 2023 12:38:10 GMT
As we all know the gas don't start playing until after Christmas and the new year. Signing JCH would have been a waste of time. Signing him in January though would be a whole different ball game.
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 12:48:55 GMT
Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 9, 2023 12:48:55 GMT
Wish our actual players were playing a game today. Feel the same points will still be being made until next weekend now. They are, but wearing Bradford shirts. Exactly like watching the gas |
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Sept 9, 2023 13:00:50 GMT
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2023 13:00:50 GMT
Are you really such a pedant. The deadline was 11pm. We lodged for an extension after the deadline. We didn't even meet the deadline to extend the deadline to lodge the paperwork. With respect to all concerned Clubs cannot request an extension ,not in the context that has been suggested by peterborough. "Clubs can legally circumvent the 11pm deadline by providing their league with a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes. This acts as a one-off extension for the buying club, affording them additional time to fill out the details required in FIFA’s Transfer Matching System, which cross-references details of any international transfer to ensure figures and fees are identical on both the selling and purchasing side." If they had to renegotiate T and C's with the players agent and did not submit a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes there is no extension. No, you're wrong. 'Deal Sheets' are for the Prem, but what is relevant in our scenario is the 'Quick Application' (ie 15 minute extension) that Liz Elsom reminded us about at around 10:30pm. 'If a club is in a ‘Full Application’ at 22:30:00, they will receive a warning that states the system will open a ‘Quick Application’ at 22:45:00, where only certain fields need to be completed. In those last 15 minutes of the Transfer Window, EFL systems allow Clubs to submit the necessary registration form without completing the full application process. Where they do this, the Clubs then have a further 15 minutes to then complete the full application process. This avoids Clubs missing the deadline in circumstances where they have agreed and signed all necessary documents with another Club and the player before 11pm, but still need time to complete the full application.' www.efl.com/news/2023/august/31/all-you-need-to-know-ahead-of-the-summer-transfer-window-deadline/ |
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Sept 9, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
With respect to all concerned Clubs cannot request an extension ,not in the context that has been suggested by peterborough. "Clubs can legally circumvent the 11pm deadline by providing their league with a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes. This acts as a one-off extension for the buying club, affording them additional time to fill out the details required in FIFA’s Transfer Matching System, which cross-references details of any international transfer to ensure figures and fees are identical on both the selling and purchasing side." If they had to renegotiate T and C's with the players agent and did not submit a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes there is no extension. Substantial detail here. Crushes some of the complaints heard by our legal beagle forumnites 😆 But it doesn't. 😆 |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 13:04:00 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 9, 2023 13:04:00 GMT
Substantial detail here. Crushes some of the complaints heard by our legal beagle forumnites 😆 But it doesn't. 😆 Oh damn🙃 |
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Post by gasify on Sept 9, 2023 13:10:11 GMT
With respect to all concerned Clubs cannot request an extension ,not in the context that has been suggested by peterborough. "Clubs can legally circumvent the 11pm deadline by providing their league with a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes. This acts as a one-off extension for the buying club, affording them additional time to fill out the details required in FIFA’s Transfer Matching System, which cross-references details of any international transfer to ensure figures and fees are identical on both the selling and purchasing side." If they had to renegotiate T and C's with the players agent and did not submit a deal sheet up to two hours before the window closes there is no extension. Substantial detail here. Crushes some of the complaints heard by our legal beagle forumnites 😆 Just double checking that this is football league, rather than Football Association. It's the use of the term 'deal sheets'. That was a term that sky was using lots on deadline night but isn't a thing in the football league. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 13:14:47 GMT
Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 9, 2023 13:14:47 GMT
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 13:17:59 GMT
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Post by gasify on Sept 9, 2023 13:17:59 GMT
So we all agree the only 'Extension' available was the Quick Application one that buys 15 mins to complete the Full Application. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 13:19:32 GMT
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 9, 2023 13:19:32 GMT
"Yes, it hasn't been smooth sailing but the approach the board has taken means the stand will be built as quickly as it possibly could have been." That made me laugh out loud. An approach which fundamentally ignored the realities of the BCC planning processes, perhaps even the rules? Let's not even talk about timings. Nor PR management, nor fan engagement. I cannot work out whether this growing catalogue of errors is due to arrogance, stupidity or incompetence. Whether it be the new stand, JCH transfer saga, season ticket delay or shirt branding. It is tedious to have these issues being discussed time and time again, but who exactly is causing these issues? It's not the fans, is it. Then we get extolled to shut up and just get behind the team, on the false premise that to be critical is to not be "behind the team" Which of course is complete bo**ox. Then there is the divine Mr Barton whose teams, under his direction, have barely won a home game since the beginning of 2023. Dare we be critical of that. Still, the escape from this grim reality is at kick off at any given game when optimism rules, nourished by a couple of Thatchers on board. Short lived, invariably, as that maybe. "That made me laugh out loud. An approach which fundamentally ignored the realities of the BCC planning processes, perhaps even the rules?" No it didn't. We haven't done anything that is outside the rules. The only reason it was delayed was because of the meddling of councillor Edwards. I'm glad the club had ambition to just get it built. If we would have gone through a long winded, consult with the residents etc we would still be waiting for it in 5 years time. I do agree that it was wrong to sell tickets for it before it was built. We don't know if JCH situation was down to us. I'll give you there are small things we could have done better but that is not unique in the running of football clubs or businesses in general. I'm not one who would say don't question thing and blindly support the team but I think all has been said on this thread that needs to be said. Nothing is going to change, no one is going to be sacked so what is the point in carrying on discussing it. You're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you. That's why I say let's just all move on. |
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JCH
Sept 9, 2023 13:33:57 GMT
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Post by gasheadmichal on Sept 9, 2023 13:33:57 GMT
Amen
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