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Post by oldmarket65 on Aug 11, 2023 12:53:23 GMT
Although there as been mistakes on our part. Let's not forget the local lobbyists are cunning and will jump from one group to the next. We should of been more aware of the articulate campaigning of local groups who are experts in delaying and calling things in. It's unfortunate as a club we lack local support like other clubs. Mostly south Bristol people at Ashton support the revamping of the gate. The same with most other clubs. I do think this is a class issue as well but that will be a long process to explain. In summary we haven't help ourselves but the locals will manipulate any issue to cause delay : interpretation and confusion. We underestimated the local opposition and its agendas!. I have a horrible gut feel that this is going to turn into another Sainsbury’s type saga. Would the council allow what seems to be a simple replacement stand, go to a judicial review, really ? This is why KP once we know the who's who list of committee members . We can write and pressure them. Also we can write to MPs and ask them to review the process. Although the Greens can legitimacy represent the BS3 task force. They simply cannot use delay tactics to cause delay. This is why we have elected representatives of all parties voting. Historically: Labour and Tories have always voted in favour . So get on to your MPs and councillors and ask them : what's going on ?. And can they support this application ?. Play the lobbyists at there own game: I am !.
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2023 12:53:56 GMT
Just one in a long line sequence.. Methinks DB could be the fall guy for TG misgivings, maybe - maybe not - but the club have had a huge turnaround of established staff before DB was here, he's just another patsy... This is fast becoming the club most of you wanted but I am a stick in the mud for familiarity, personal professional service and quality product. You couldn't go wrong with the carvery pre match. Burger in a bun with no lady gardening salad, or a nugget that might have seen 1% of chicken for kerching doesn't wash with some. The club have tried to fix parts that weren't broken, so DB becomes another footnote in TG reign. Totally agree about the carvery, pre-match. There was nothing I liked on the main hospitality menu, so I had to choose from the chldren's choices. Family used to enjoy Hospitality once a Season, but £95 each? Not a chance. Don't care how nice it is, we're not paying that.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 11, 2023 12:54:05 GMT
Although there as been mistakes on our part. Let's not forget the local lobbyists are cunning and will jump from one group to the next. We should of been more aware of the articulate campaigning of local groups who are experts in delaying and calling things in. It's unfortunate as a club we lack local support like other clubs. Mostly south Bristol people at Ashton support the revamping of the gate. The same with most other clubs. I do think this is a class issue as well but that will be a long process to explain. In summary we haven't help ourselves but the locals will manipulate any issue to cause delay : interpretation and confusion. We underestimated the local opposition and its agendas!. I have a horrible gut feel that this is going to turn into another Sainsbury’s type saga. Would the council allow what seems to be a simple replacement stand, go to a judicial review, really ? The application would not go to a judicial review but it could go to the planning inspectorate, council won't want that though with the awful state their planning department is in. The thing is people come on here and moan.But if you live in Bristol why don't you complain about the planning dept , complain to leader of the council or Chief Executive or even better the planning inspectorate. People can put support on through the planning portal but the last date for comments was the 1st August so the Planning Officer can ignore any comments after that date. As detailed by Oldmarket you could also contact the MP for the Horfield area with your support for the Stand .
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 11, 2023 13:00:12 GMT
Apart from Tom Gorribge Waels recruitment of staff behind the scenes has been shambolic.Hopefully Hussain will have a more professional approach in that regard The South Stand fiasco has to be our last cock up and the new owners can come up with a coherent plan going forward at the stadium I don't see why Gorringe gets a pass. He runs the football club. He would have given Bright whatever responsibility Bright had. The club is in many ways just a more expensively run, PR-centric version of the Higgs days - the stand debacle, the b8g screen in -1 temperatures not working, season cards out last minute as usual, blaming Ticketmaster for everything, an away top saying football is for everyone then telling the away club they can't bring disabled fans, all very Higgsian, even if they've revamped a couple of the bars and have flashy tat to sell at the club shop, run by a bloke from Blackburn who pretends he's lifelong Gas Only one thing i can say to that is why did TG allow Bright to argue with fans ? As i do not know whose remit he was under, surely a club C.E.O would have the authority to tell him to treat fans with respect or, of they are being abusive, ignore them.
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 11, 2023 13:01:40 GMT
Are you forgetting that he had to repair the major damage done by Garner, Tisdale and Widdrington prior to his appointment. That does not fit Oldie's agenda. Some people on here have a real hate boner for JB it is what it is there's no pleasing some
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2023 13:04:10 GMT
That does not fit Oldie's agenda. Some people on here have a real hate boner for JB it is what it is there's no pleasing some Took us up to Lg1, kept us there, squad looking good, entertains me for 90 mins, that's good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 13:04:12 GMT
Are you forgetting that he had to repair the major damage done by Garner, Tisdale and Widdrington prior to his appointment. That does not fit Oldie's agenda. I mean In fairness to oldie I’m not sure sorting that out had anything to do with last seasons performance
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 11, 2023 13:06:24 GMT
That does not fit Oldie's agenda. Some people on here have a real hate boner for JB it is what it is there's no pleasing some And for balance, some have a love boner for him and will support him no matter what he does.
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 11, 2023 13:09:44 GMT
Some people on here have a real hate boner for JB it is what it is there's no pleasing some And for balance, some have a love boner for him and will support him no matter what he does. I don't hate the bloke but at the same time I don't like him either due to his off field antics but I can see he's what the club needs right here and right now.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 11, 2023 13:19:08 GMT
And for balance, some have a love boner for him and will support him no matter what he does. I don't hate the bloke but at the same time I don't like him either due to his off field antics but I can see he's what the club needs right here and right now. The "good" version of him is what the club needs. We definitely don't need the other version.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 11, 2023 13:20:06 GMT
I’m amazed that nobody has realised that Herbert/Mike just posts complete nonsense for a reaction. Works everything as well, admirable really. We all did apart from KP?
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2023 13:21:45 GMT
I don't hate the bloke but at the same time I don't like him either due to his off field antics but I can see he's what the club needs right here and right now. The "good" version of him is what the club needs. We definitely don't need the other version. The other version doesn't effect what goes on when the lads take to the pitch, and that's the important thing.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Aug 11, 2023 13:23:07 GMT
No matter what situation Rovers find themselves in, whenever a list of club woes is formed, no matter how concerning/serious or dire you can 1000% guarantee the sacking of the ‘award winning programme editor’ will always be on there😄 Well, Keith was treated like crap for no reason. I don't like that the club does that. Keith isn't a bloke who starts sh** or spreads rumours, so why get rid? Keith was great in his day. Things move on though and so do successful businesses.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Aug 11, 2023 13:26:55 GMT
Maybe the new person will reinstate cash sales. Must miss out on some sales and at present still legal tender.stalls were quite happy to take cash so why miss out at the club bars No way, and we might bring back horse and trap to get to the game.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 11, 2023 13:32:55 GMT
The "good" version of him is what the club needs. We definitely don't need the other version. The other version doesn't effect what goes on when the lads take to the pitch, and that's the important thing. You see no correlation between Rovers form and court cases/off field distractions? Suggest you look again. Or have one of your servants look for you.
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2023 13:39:57 GMT
Are you forgetting that he had to repair the major damage done by Garner, Tisdale and Widdrington prior to his appointment. That does not fit Oldie's agenda. I do not have an "agenda" but a point of view based upon available evidence.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 11, 2023 13:42:37 GMT
I have a horrible gut feel that this is going to turn into another Sainsbury’s type saga. Would the council allow what seems to be a simple replacement stand, go to a judicial review, really ? The application would not go to a judicial review but it could go to the planning inspectorate, council won't want that though with the awful state their planning department is in. The thing is people come on here and moan.But if you live in Bristol why don't you complain about the planning dept , complain to leader of the council or Chief Executive or even better the planning inspectorate. People can put support on through the planning portal but the last date for comments was the 1st August so the Planning Officer can ignore any comments after that date. As detailed by Oldmarket you could also contact the MP for the Horfield area with your support for the Stand . Thank you for the detailed reply, i have always been an advocate of putting in complaints and i know i am risking ridicule here but i support many groups that do exactly this and i retweet links on all socials that i use, currently 3. Twitter, Istanbul and on very rare occasions , Facebook as i now only rarely use it. One of the biggest problems we have had, as a club, is apathy. We have a large number that will moan and not accept things but, when it actually comes to doing something, not been 1/5 of those will tuen up or even put their signatures to an e-mail that gibes 5 different templates to use. I have to add that i have been one of these, when we had the black and gold movement and i still feel ashamed of that, when i think about it. This is the main reason why i habve often said that we get the club that we deserve. It seems that the 82 certainly are well ahead of us in that department. I did contact all of the people that would have anything to do with this decision though and in good time.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 11, 2023 13:45:39 GMT
That does not fit Oldie's agenda. I do not have an "agenda" but a point of view based upon available evidence. Also people conveniently “forget” that we were not in the relegation spots when Garner was manager but dropped like a stone afterwards. It’s been done to death in any case
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 11, 2023 13:45:40 GMT
The application would not go to a judicial review but it could go to the planning inspectorate, council won't want that though with the awful state their planning department is in. The thing is people come on here and moan.But if you live in Bristol why don't you complain about the planning dept , complain to leader of the council or Chief Executive or even better the planning inspectorate. People can put support on through the planning portal but the last date for comments was the 1st August so the Planning Officer can ignore any comments after that date. As detailed by Oldmarket you could also contact the MP for the Horfield area with your support for the Stand . Thank you for the detailed reply, i have always been an advocate of putting in complaints and i know i am risking ridicule here but i support many groups that do exactly this and i retweet links on all socials that i use, currently 3. Twitter, Istanbul and on very rare occasions , Facebook as i now only rarely use it. One of the biggest problems we have had, as a club, is apathy. We have a large number that will moan and not accept things but, when it actually comes to doing something, not been 1/5 of those will tuen up or even put their signatures to an e-mail that gibes 5 different templates to use. I have to add that i have been one of these, when we had the black and gold movement and i still feel ashamed of that, when i think about it. This is the main reason why i habve often said that we get the club that we deserve. It seems that the 82 certainly are well ahead of us in that department. I did contact all of the people that would have anything to do with this decision though and in good time. Or have fans who say we have a lot of apathy, criticise and complain on every social medium going, but want nothing to do with actually affecting a change or have any good ideas on how to do it.
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2023 13:51:44 GMT
The other version doesn't effect what goes on when the lads take to the pitch, and that's the important thing. You see no correlation between Rovers form and court cases/off field distractions? Suggest you look again. Or have one of your servants look for you. Not really, the squad has played well on the pitch no matter what with Barton at the helm. You got some link to that not being the case?
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