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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 20:58:10 GMT
Regardless of who is right or wrong, the fact is it’s fantastic for us as a club that we have a manager who actually calls those out that aren’t right for the project anymore and deals with it. In years gone by, managers frankly didn’t have the balls for it. JB makes mistakes but he tends to remove them from the club as quickly as possible. Under John Ward or Paul Trollope, even DC tbh, we’d be forced to watch those mistakes play out for multiple years. I don’t really care who’s right or wrong, at the end of the day Joey’s job is to build a squad that competes at the top end of the table. I think he’s nailing that atm. That’s because he’s being afforded more budget than anyone before him as well. Much easier when you seem to get what you want when you want… |
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Post by The Equaliser on Aug 14, 2023 21:01:11 GMT
Regardless of who is right or wrong, the fact is it’s fantastic for us as a club that we have a manager who actually calls those out that aren’t right for the project anymore and deals with it. In years gone by, managers frankly didn’t have the balls for it. JB makes mistakes but he tends to remove them from the club as quickly as possible. Under John Ward or Paul Trollope, even DC tbh, we’d be forced to watch those mistakes play out for multiple years. I don’t really care who’s right or wrong, at the end of the day Joey’s job is to build a squad that competes at the top end of the table. I think he’s nailing that atm. That’s because he’s being afforded more budget than anyone before him as well. Much easier when you seem to get what you want when you want… Every manager is being afforded more budget than anyone before them, it’s called inflation. This point has been debated a thousand times, plenty have been backed as much pro rata 👍🏾 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 21:03:39 GMT
That’s because he’s being afforded more budget than anyone before him as well. Much easier when you seem to get what you want when you want… Every manager is being afforded more budget than anyone before them, it’s called inflation. This point has been debated a thousand times, plenty have been backed as much pro rata 👍🏾 Okay mate 👍🏻 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 14, 2023 21:27:47 GMT
That’s because he’s being afforded more budget than anyone before him as well. Much easier when you seem to get what you want when you want… Every manager is being afforded more budget than anyone before them, it’s called inflation. This point has been debated a thousand times, plenty have been backed as much pro rata 👍🏾 Inflation is irrelevant as you still only get the same standard of player you just pay more, assuming TW/BG weren't getting totally ripped off JB must be spending nearly twice what they spent looking at the standard of players he's signed. McCormick who cost around £150K could be third choice LCM, if he stays, Connolly who cost around £100K second choice CB and even Wilson could be second choice CH. BG had just Baldwin & Harris as CB's!! |
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 14, 2023 21:27:52 GMT
Aye, no good being reminded of the money wasted on the likes of Kyle Bennett & Stefan Payne I’ll have nightmares for a fortnight.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Aug 14, 2023 22:38:23 GMT
I would be amazed if he played league 1 football again. A bit of an overreaction he may have his faults but L1 is hardly totally beyond him. That's your opinion I have a different one and said it for the majority of last season. Can't see too many league 1 sides queueing up for one of the worst keepers in the league last season who sulks when he isn't number 1. |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 15, 2023 4:40:25 GMT
Not sure what football some people watch if they think Belly was up to standard last season. The whole defence from the midfield backwards wasn't up to scratch once Rossiter and Thomas departed, up to that point it wasn't too bad. Whilst Cox has done nothing wrong he's hardly been spectacular since he joined, having all conceded 4 goals in 3 games. Assuming Belshaw does leave it'll be interesting to see who he joins and what levels he's playing at in a couple of years time. Yes we need to remember that we had a poor defense last season and now we have signed three CB's that are better than anyone we had last season. Its too early to suggest that Cox is any better than Belshaw. How would he have done last season and how would Belshaw have done this season with better defenders in front of him? Cox will miss some games due to international call up's so we will need a decent back up keeper. If Belshaw doesn't want to stay as a back up then that's his decision. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 15, 2023 5:22:56 GMT
A bit of an overreaction he may have his faults but L1 is hardly totally beyond him. That's your opinion I have a different one and said it for the majority of last season. Can't see too many league 1 sides queueing up for one of the worst keepers in the league last season who sulks when he isn't number 1. Other than our own eyes, the best and fairest way to measure the performance of a GK that is available is the prevented goals per 90 metric and Belshaw's from last season is horrific. It looks at the number of goals a goalkeeper directly prevents with his interventions and is used to denote the likelihood of a particular shot ending up as a goal. You are ideally looking for a positive number with this data but Belshaws was (minus!!!) -10.1. In simple terms that means Belshaw conceded 10 more goals than he would have been expected to concede from the quality of chances faced. Not good enough. |
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 15, 2023 5:55:56 GMT
Watching the footage of the Charlton close quarters from last season, recently retweeted by official brfc, after the final whistle Belly and Joey couldn’t be closer. Would be a shame if a training ground spat was the final word on their footballing relationship. Yes sometimes managers and players won’t see eye to eye as to who has the desired skills and ability level to fulfil a first team role and that may entail a spell out of the team or a temporary/permanent move for the player…but given the mutual good times they’ve shared over the last couple of seasons hopefully they can resolve the current disagreement cordially and stay on good terms, both owes the other some appreciation in my eyes.
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2023 6:23:19 GMT
That's your opinion I have a different one and said it for the majority of last season. Can't see too many league 1 sides queueing up for one of the worst keepers in the league last season who sulks when he isn't number 1. Other than our own eyes, the best and fairest way to measure the performance of a GK that is available is the prevented goals per 90 metric and Belshaw's from last season is horrific. It looks at the number of goals a goalkeeper directly prevents with his interventions and is used to denote the likelihood of a particular shot ending up as a goal. You are ideally looking for a positive number with this data but Belshaws was (minus!!!) -10.1. In simple terms that means Belshaw conceded 10 more goals than he would have been expected to concede from the quality of chances faced. Not good enough. Pirate, I'm in the Belshaw in camp. The goals per 90 metric, sounds an interesting way to compare keepers. However in isolation, it is a bit meaningless. Any chance you can provide this metric for goal keepers that finished 10th and below last season? |
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Post by pirate on Aug 15, 2023 6:52:49 GMT
Other than our own eyes, the best and fairest way to measure the performance of a GK that is available is the prevented goals per 90 metric and Belshaw's from last season is horrific. It looks at the number of goals a goalkeeper directly prevents with his interventions and is used to denote the likelihood of a particular shot ending up as a goal. You are ideally looking for a positive number with this data but Belshaws was (minus!!!) -10.1. In simple terms that means Belshaw conceded 10 more goals than he would have been expected to concede from the quality of chances faced. Not good enough. Pirate, I'm in the Belshaw in camp. The goals per 90 metric, sounds an interesting way to compare keepers. However in isolation, it is a bit meaningless. Any chance you can provide this metric for goal keepers that finished 10th and below last season? |
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Post by fanboy on Aug 15, 2023 10:21:14 GMT
Every manager is being afforded more budget than anyone before them, it’s called inflation. This point has been debated a thousand times, plenty have been backed as much pro rata 👍🏾 Inflation is irrelevant as you still only get the same standard of player you just pay more, assuming TW/BG weren't getting totally ripped off JB must be spending nearly twice what they spent looking at the standard of players he's signed. McCormick who cost around £150K could be third choice LCM, if he stays, Connolly who cost around £100K second choice CB and even Wilson could be second choice CH. BG had just Baldwin & Harris as CB's!! The previous managers did spend similar fees to those too mind. |
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 15, 2023 10:52:38 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football but if the gas are serious about making a promotion challenge and he doesn't cut the mustard then it's time to move him on.
He's been a good servant and an ambassador for the club so I hope he gets a decent move.
Credit where credit is due and without him I don't think the Gas would have won promotion he was key member of the squad that won promotion
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2023 11:26:30 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football but if the gas are serious about making a promotion challenge and he doesn't cut the mustard then it's time to move him on. He's been a good servant and an ambassador for the club so I hope he gets a decent move. Credit where credit is due and without him I don't think the Gas would have won promotion he was key member of the squad that won promotion Do you think that we are going for a promotion season? I did initially and then I listened to the new owners radio interview. |
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 15, 2023 11:33:21 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football but if the gas are serious about making a promotion challenge and he doesn't cut the mustard then it's time to move him on. He's been a good servant and an ambassador for the club so I hope he gets a decent move. Credit where credit is due and without him I don't think the Gas would have won promotion he was key member of the squad that won promotion Do you think that we are going for a promotion season? I did initially and then I listened to the new owners radio interview. Think he was alluding to the infrastructure however,sometimes it happens when you least expect it ala Luton,sure we wouldn't turn it down!! |
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2023 14:55:14 GMT
Do you think that we are going for a promotion season? I did initially and then I listened to the new owners radio interview. Think he was alluding to the infrastructure however,sometimes it happens when you least expect it ala Luton,sure we wouldn't turn it down!! Maybe it was a 'lost in translation' moment, but I'm pretty sure he said that they didn't want to get promotion until the infrastructure was in place. You know Rovers, when they say things like Infrastructure they are probably just talking about the South Stand. |
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Post by Gaswood on Aug 15, 2023 15:52:01 GMT
So Bradley Collins was so poor for his 26 games last season that Barnsley reached the playoff final and he secured a move to Coventry, a team that were minutes away from being in the Premier League? Yet when Bobby Thomas was being talked about as being statistically phenomenal in the same defensive unit, it was quickly proven that Barnsley were actually worse in the games he featured in. I’m all for stats assisting with judgement but Belly absolutely was not in any way the worst keeper in L1 last season having watched nearly every match with and without him. Also, so far this season Matt Cox is 22nd best in League 1, Jamal Blackman is 25th best, and Connor Ripley is the 28th best after his 7 goal hammering on day 1… Same site lists Aarron Ramsdale as one of the worst keepers in the Premier League last season on all metrics. Hmmm |
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Post by perryfenwick on Aug 15, 2023 15:54:36 GMT
Stats can tell you anything you want them to. All of this xG and xA didn't exist before 5 years ago or so and is highly subjective.
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Post by pirate on Aug 15, 2023 17:10:12 GMT
So Bradley Collins was so poor for his 26 games last season that Barnsley reached the playoff final and he secured a move to Coventry, a team that were minutes away from being in the Premier League? Yet when Bobby Thomas was being talked about as being statistically phenomenal in the same defensive unit, it was quickly proven that Barnsley were actually worse in the games he featured in. I’m all for stats assisting with judgement but Belly absolutely was not in any way the worst keeper in L1 last season having watched nearly every match with and without him. Also, so far this season Matt Cox is 22nd best in League 1, Jamal Blackman is 25th best, and Connor Ripley is the 28th best after his 7 goal hammering on day 1… Same site lists Aarron Ramsdale as one of the worst keepers in the Premier League last season on all metrics. Hmmm I don't think Bradley Collins was particularly outstanding from what I saw, however the partnership of Mads Andersen, Liam Kitching and Bobby Thomas did impress. Collins didnt feature in the second half of the season (including playoffs), but does have decent pedigree at Championship level from previous seasons which probably factored into the move.
And looking at such a small sample size after 2 games this season obviously has to be factored in too. 😆
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Post by Gaswood on Aug 15, 2023 18:15:23 GMT
So Bradley Collins was so poor for his 26 games last season that Barnsley reached the playoff final and he secured a move to Coventry, a team that were minutes away from being in the Premier League? Yet when Bobby Thomas was being talked about as being statistically phenomenal in the same defensive unit, it was quickly proven that Barnsley were actually worse in the games he featured in. I’m all for stats assisting with judgement but Belly absolutely was not in any way the worst keeper in L1 last season having watched nearly every match with and without him. Also, so far this season Matt Cox is 22nd best in League 1, Jamal Blackman is 25th best, and Connor Ripley is the 28th best after his 7 goal hammering on day 1… Same site lists Aarron Ramsdale as one of the worst keepers in the Premier League last season on all metrics. Hmmm I don't think Bradley Collins was particularly outstanding from what I saw, however the partnership of Mads Andersen, Liam Kitching and Bobby Thomas did impress. Collins didnt feature in the second half of the season (including playoffs), but does have decent pedigree at Championship level from previous seasons which probably factored into the move.
And looking at such a small sample size after 2 games this season obviously has to be factored in too. 😆
And sticking with Arsenal and that same chart, Bernd Leno wasn’t good enough, and still isn’t good enough for Arsenal, yet that same chart shows him as the second best keeper in the league last year. I watched a lot of him and he was decent, but made many mistakes and was definitely not anywhere near as good as Ramsdale across the entire season. |
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