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Post by popuppirate on Aug 26, 2023 19:06:35 GMT
This one I really just don't get. If you're going to play 4-4-2, why have the wide mids on their unnatural side? Put the right footer on the right and the left on the left. How many times in the first half did Thomas get to the bye line, not put the ball in with his right and cut back on his left? All that work to get into a dangerous situation for the opposition back line and we squander it. Anyone who has every played in defence at any level knows full well that crosses pulled back from the bye line and into the box are a nightmare to defend. It's just not the way they're being asked to play, the idea isn't to get to the bye line, it's to cut back in, and recycle. I prefer playing left sided as a right footer, you get to cut in on the defenders weaker side and maybe curl one into the top corner (in my dreams, anyway). That's not saying it works for us though, but without a number 9 I'm not optimistic that a cross like that would be converted |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 19:19:19 GMT
Travelled down from Sussex today, and staying in marriot hotel, waste of money and time. Barton has to change his tactics or we will finish bottom half again. One shot all match, at home, is not good enough. He needs to think again about how we play. Give him until Christmas and if no better by then he has to go. why bother.even if we were top you would complain |
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Post by oviedista on Aug 26, 2023 19:30:59 GMT
Surprisingly Finley today was fine . Previously he has made errors leading to shots or goals to the opposition. At risk at repeating myself...we need to keep clean sheets. Wycombe were dogshit but were effective when it counted. Rovers over play thing's. Take the least amount of passes necessary to take a shot on goal....its worked for a hundred years.9 shots on goal = 3 on target = 1 goal Its that Dam simple. Crack on Joe ,you have good enough players from now on its on your shoulders. If reverting to a Charles Reep inspired style of play is what's needed then it would have to involve a new manager as this would represent a total reversal for Barton. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 26, 2023 19:38:37 GMT
Collins has had stinkers in virtually every match but is still selected? I can't honestly see what Wilson gives us that Taylor doesn't and you can guarantee only one will get better the more L1 games he plays. Unpopular opinion perhaps, but Taylor hasn’t had a stand out game yet. Even his cameo at Pompey was ropey. Can see why it would’ve been switched up. |
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2023 19:49:11 GMT
Posters can slag me off all they like, but we hear the same old crap from Barton week in week out. When is this man going to wake up,smell the coffee and stop trying to fool gasheads who have been supporting this great club for so many years. This is league one and he is trying to install a premier type of football into league one players. Can the squad not see what is happening or are they afraid to speak up. We tried the textbook league one hoofball ugly style, we were winning most weeks, it got us to 3rd in the league, yet radio Bris was awash with complaints about paying to watch ugly football & crowds were as low as 6,500 on Saturdays. It’s one or the other?😂 I don’t think it has to be, the side today was a good side with players in their correct positions, the problem was tempo, we play far too slowly , in league one you have to hit the ball in to the Channels and put pressure on sides and make them make mistakes which league 1 players will when they’re under pressure running back towards their goal. Barton has us playing sideways football at slow tempo. Coughlan had us 532 with 3 defensive midfielders. It doesn’t have to be one or the other of those. There’s nothing wrong with the 4231 formation it suits the players we have but we must go more direct and we must move the ball quicker. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 20:02:42 GMT
Evans has to start the home games instead of finley
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Post by thewaltersstepover on Aug 26, 2023 20:03:29 GMT
Todays match only emphasised the need for a striker who plays on the last man and plays in the 18yard box.
Collins is way off the pace at the moment and think Sinclair is better coming off the bench rather than starting.
On the positive jack hunt looks like he will be a real attacking asset, he was getting into positions in field 1st half which was leaving space for Thomas.
One thing that really annoys me is our set pieces, all this flaffing about playing it short. The amount of times the ball doesn’t ever get into the box is criminal.
Anyhow hopefully things come together over the next few weeks.
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Post by badengas on Aug 26, 2023 20:19:59 GMT
Surprisingly Finley today was fine . Previously he has made errors leading to shots or goals to the opposition. At risk at repeating myself...we need to keep clean sheets. Wycombe were dogshit but were effective when it counted. Rovers over play thing's. Take the least amount of passes necessary to take a shot on goal....its worked for a hundred years.9 shots on goal = 3 on target = 1 goal Its that Dam simple. Crack on Joe ,you have good enough players from now on its on your shoulders. If reverting to a Charles Reep inspired style of play is what's needed then it would have to involve a new manager as this would represent a total reversal for Barton. Bring back Coughlan win rate 45%, JB 37%. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 20:29:13 GMT
If reverting to a Charles Reep inspired style of play is what's needed then it would have to involve a new manager as this would represent a total reversal for Barton. Bring back Coughlan win rate 45%, JB 37%. may as well leave the South Stand unbuilt if he does. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 26, 2023 20:35:54 GMT
Gutted - why do Wycombe have such a voodoo on us - goes back to when they sent us down I think you mean hoodoo not voodoo now that would be even more painful! 😁 A bunch of cheating cants anyway fecking Wyscum. Yeah you’re right Marshy that’s what I meant |
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 26, 2023 20:40:29 GMT
The plan is to do poorly until the transfer window nearly closes so to push through an urgent striker signing, then watch us go on a good run until Christmas. Maybe.... We will bring in a young striker on loan on deadline day. That’s my fear as seems all our eggs are in one JCH basket. Yes he might want to be nearer the West Country with his partner apparently living here but if it fails I fear another Coburn type signing |
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Post by wallywalters on Aug 26, 2023 21:16:33 GMT
Todays match only emphasised the need for a striker who plays on the last man and plays in the 18yard box. Collins is way off the pace at the moment and think Sinclair is better coming off the bench rather than starting. On the positive jack hunt looks like he will be a real attacking asset, he was getting into positions in field 1st half which was leaving space for Thomas. One thing that really annoys me is our set pieces, all this flaffing about playing it short. The amount of times the ball doesn’t ever get into the box is criminal. Anyhow hopefully things come together over the next few weeks. Jack hunt was the main positive today. For his debut first half especially he was outstanding. The best attacking display we've seen from a full back in years. Was creating so much space for himself and thomas in that first half. He put in some brilliant balls for our non existent strikers. Really excited to see how he develops with Thomas down that wing. One thing to pick up on from JB interview after the game was the slow play. I noticed the ball was very slow along the ground today slowing down our attacks. Wasn't until his interview I realised that it was the dry pitch. Sorry if already mentioned but the sprinkler system was broke so pitch was dry as a bone |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 26, 2023 21:49:47 GMT
Perhaps we should leave it to the Manager and let him sort this out. Everybody has their favourites and their not so favourite. I ctually thought both full backs were an upgrade on previous. Connor Taylor has not reached form yet and we have a mixture of midfield options that will eventually be sorted out-personally I would have gone for two attacking midfielders rather than two holding. Not convinced with Marquis and a new centre forward is essential but I am convinced that JB will sort it out. In truth we again seemed to suffer some awful refereeing decisions which would have changed the game- a definite penalty which was right under the referees nose but he wasn't looking and the same for the killer second where there were two fouls under his nose and he played on. Sabey will never be a good referee the same as Wycombe will never be anything but boring Wycombe but they are very good at a very limited style of play so good luck to them.
In time i think we will be watching a very good side but stand by the manager and players and lets look at the side in a few weeks time.
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 26, 2023 22:00:44 GMT
Blimey gas £3 for this?  Get some more if you want to see JCH |
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 26, 2023 22:02:42 GMT
Looks mint, I might get a couple of them for the Corolla. |
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Post by fanboy on Aug 26, 2023 22:31:12 GMT
We will bring in a young striker on loan on deadline day. That’s my fear as seems all our eggs are in one JCH basket. Yes he might want to be nearer the West Country with his partner apparently living here but if it fails I fear another Coburn type signing Is coburn type signing a negative? Coburn scored goals for us and would again. |
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Post by xenongas on Aug 26, 2023 22:54:09 GMT
I am still optimistic about this squad.
I still hate Wycombe and their anti-football.
The ref didn't lose us the game today. The inability to break down a team that sits in lost us the game. Same game plan for Wycombe as Cambridge had and it worked. I absolutely agree with JB's post match comments that you wouldn't want to pay to watch that sort of hoof (read Couglan) ball. But we haven't got a plan to play against these teams. Two plans that clearly won't work: crosses that their centre backs lap up and trying to draw them out with passing from the back. Yet that's all we tried. Multiple personnel changes from Cambridge but the same outcome means the tactics were lacking imo.
Sinclair (subbed inexplicably) was the only one trying run behind but the balls forward were not good enough. On the occasion when there was one touch football there were glimpses of quality.
I like Finley and Collins and we should absolutely stick by them but they have not started the season well by any standard.
Thomas has started the season very well. Some good stops from the keeper. First time I've seen brown and he clearly has good feet and wants to get a shot away which we need.
Bottom line is JB needs to work out how to play against the boring low block, especially at home.
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2023 23:50:46 GMT
I am still optimistic about this squad. I still hate Wycombe and their anti-football. The ref didn't lose us the game today. The inability to break down a team that sits in lost us the game. Same game plan for Wycombe as Cambridge had and it worked. I absolutely agree with JB's post match comments that you wouldn't want to pay to watch that sort of hoof (read Couglan) ball. But we haven't got a plan to play against these teams. Two plans that clearly won't work: crosses that their centre backs lap up and trying to draw them out with passing from the back. Yet that's all we tried. Multiple personnel changes from Cambridge but the same outcome means the tactics were lacking imo. Sinclair (subbed inexplicably) was the only one trying run behind but the balls forward were not good enough. On the occasion when there was one touch football there were glimpses of quality. I like Finley and Collins and we should absolutely stick by them but they have not started the season well by any standard. Thomas has started the season very well. Some good stops from the keeper. First time I've seen brown and he clearly has good feet and wants to get a shot away which we need. Bottom line is JB needs to work out how to play against the boring low block, especially at home. I agree with your conclusion on the game and also Cambridge. It shouldn’t be that difficult for our manager to work out your last sentence. Ok Cambridge was our first defeat and it was the first time we came up against that tactic but Wycombe after scoring which was quite early set up more or less the same as Cambridge did from the start and we didn’t really trouble their keeper much. And that is worrying. We have a manager that can attract the kind of player that in the past we could have only dreamed of and that’s a positive but tactically he has a vision for us that generally doesn’t work in league 1 and I’ll be amazed if it gets us anything above mid table because like I’ve said before the successful/ promotion clubs in league 1 never play a slow patient build up game.it just simply doesn’t work at this level. I think JB is trying to run with this team before they can walk and if we played the league 1 way - quicker tempo -mix it up - get stuck in we’d be capable of a top 6 finish and possibly gain promotion and kick on and then maybe play a more possession based game once promoted but he seems dedicated to something that I’ve seen the likes of MK Dons and Swindon relegated to league 2 playing like that in recent seasons. I could be wrong but in my 40 years watching the gas has any team won promotion from League 1 playing a slow patient build up ?? Sheff weds last season were a horrible but effective side that had every dirty trick in the book kept things tight and ground out results often without playing much football , Plymouth were super attacking played very open and really went for it and Ipswich spent crazy money that their new owners could afford and were class but still didn’t put possession over getting it forward and punishing teams by putting them under pressure and creating mistakes by the opposition. It doesn’t have to be Coughlan style hoof it or a slow patient ( let every player get behind the ball so it’s impossible to break them down) style of play there are other ways of playing football and we have a capable squad now if Barton can see the wood through the trees. |
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Post by drawnandquartered on Aug 27, 2023 1:55:41 GMT
I thought we looked fantastic for the first twenty minutes or so, probing and moving the ball around really creatively. As soon as the silly mix up from our own throw in led to a questionable free kick and then soft goal our confidence seemed to evaporate.
Not panicking yet I’m still optimistic for a very special season but this was chastising. At least we kept going till the end. Wish we were playing again tomorrow to get straight back to work on all the issues, bed everyone in a bit more.
Jevani brown looked really good
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 27, 2023 4:31:09 GMT
That’s my fear as seems all our eggs are in one JCH basket. Yes he might want to be nearer the West Country with his partner apparently living here but if it fails I fear another Coburn type signing Is coburn type signing a negative? Coburn scored goals for us and would again. Not at all but with a loan you just don't know what you are getting. More often than not they turn out to be a Timmy Abraham rather than a Josh Coburn! |
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