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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 11:39:08 GMT
The problem with the East Stand is that will have to be a much bigger and long term project than the south stand. You will have to factor in a loss of revenue from the hospitality restaurants and bars or at least, try and set up some sort of hospitality room by way of porticabins in the car park.
I would have thought the Blackthorn end would be the most obvious for development next and that way you can create the extra capacity there to house fans who would usually sit in the East Stand and if you build it to have some sort of conferencing facility you can make that a temporary hospitality suite on match days and still be able to offer that service whilst developing the east stand. There is so much under utilised space behind that goal and you could make a really decent stand there.
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 25, 2023 12:26:53 GMT
Here's another thought if they are going to do the east stand next what about about moving the stand back, then move the pitch when the west stand is redeveloped
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Post by oviedista on Sept 25, 2023 12:43:30 GMT
The problem with the East Stand is that will have to be a much bigger and long term project than the south stand. You will have to factor in a loss of revenue from the hospitality restaurants and bars or at least, try and set up some sort of hospitality room by way of porticabins in the car park. I would have thought the Blackthorn end would be the most obvious for development next and that way you can create the extra capacity there to house fans who would usually sit in the East Stand and if you build it to have some sort of conferencing facility you can make that a temporary hospitality suite on match days and still be able to offer that service whilst developing the east stand. There is so much under utilised space behind that goal and you could make a really decent stand there. Would much temporary stuff be necessary given most of the hospitality in the West stand? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 25, 2023 13:22:54 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? |
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Post by hartcliffegas on Sept 25, 2023 13:34:01 GMT
Sell it
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Post by Gaswood on Sept 25, 2023 13:40:57 GMT
The problem with the East Stand is that will have to be a much bigger and long term project than the south stand. You will have to factor in a loss of revenue from the hospitality restaurants and bars or at least, try and set up some sort of hospitality room by way of porticabins in the car park. I would have thought the Blackthorn end would be the most obvious for development next and that way you can create the extra capacity there to house fans who would usually sit in the East Stand and if you build it to have some sort of conferencing facility you can make that a temporary hospitality suite on match days and still be able to offer that service whilst developing the east stand. There is so much under utilised space behind that goal and you could make a really decent stand there. Would much temporary stuff be necessary given most of the hospitality in the West stand? It’s mainly in the East, only the boxes are in the West so very much the bulk of it in East |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 13:47:05 GMT
The problem with the East Stand is that will have to be a much bigger and long term project than the south stand. You will have to factor in a loss of revenue from the hospitality restaurants and bars or at least, try and set up some sort of hospitality room by way of porticabins in the car park. I would have thought the Blackthorn end would be the most obvious for development next and that way you can create the extra capacity there to house fans who would usually sit in the East Stand and if you build it to have some sort of conferencing facility you can make that a temporary hospitality suite on match days and still be able to offer that service whilst developing the east stand. There is so much under utilised space behind that goal and you could make a really decent stand there. Would much temporary stuff be necessary given most of the hospitality in the West stand? There is more hospitality in terms of raw numbers in the East than there is in the west, especially the pay per day hospitality offerings plus you have the bar there as well. All of the exec boxes are sold on a per season basis with the only exception being the new CJ Hole Suite which was the old presidents bar. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 13:52:49 GMT
Here's another thought if they are going to do the east stand next what about about moving the stand back, then move the pitch when the west stand is redeveloped Now you are getting into proper development as oppsed to semi permanent structures. If developing the mem with the goal of being there for at least the next 20 years then you need a complete stadium re-think as opposed to a piecemeal temporary development. Personally I dont think there is much wrong with the West Stand as it is. You could add seating to all of the standing section very easily all the way to almost pitch side if you wanted to add even more capacity. As I said earlier, if we are looking at the Mem as our home for the next 20 odd years then a bigger Blackthorn end would be the next on the list and then look to do something with the East. If we were actually considering it and we got our time scales correct we may just get the actual seated part of the stand completed over a closed season. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 13:54:34 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? make some more pasties |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2023 14:10:22 GMT
Here's another thought if they are going to do the east stand next what about about moving the stand back, then move the pitch when the west stand is redeveloped Now you are getting into proper development as oppsed to semi permanent structures. If developing the mem with the goal of being there for at least the next 20 years then you need a complete stadium re-think as opposed to a piecemeal temporary development. Personally I dont think there is much wrong with the West Stand as it is. You could add seating to all of the standing section very easily all the way to almost pitch side if you wanted to add even more capacity. As I said earlier, if we are looking at the Mem as our home for the next 20 odd years then a bigger Blackthorn end would be the next on the list and then look to do something with the East. If we were actually considering it and we got our time scales correct we may just get the actual seated part of the stand completed over a closed season. It wasn't long ago you were telling us all to forget the Mem ever being redeveloped as it was totally unviable? |
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Post by eric on Sept 25, 2023 14:22:12 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? That’s easy. You just dig another hole and put it all in there. |
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Post by westfield on Sept 25, 2023 14:26:20 GMT
and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? That’s easy. You just dig another hole and put it all in there. give it to Stiffy at the Players golf club, he loves a bit of land fill |
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Post by gashead4ever on Sept 25, 2023 14:51:48 GMT
That’s easy. You just dig another hole and put it all in there. give it to Stiffy at the Players golf club, he loves a bit of land fill dump it in gardens behind south stand? |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 25, 2023 14:57:26 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? Just leave it outside - some bugger will take it - Or you could five a wheelbarrow full away with every PC repair |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 15:17:39 GMT
Now you are getting into proper development as oppsed to semi permanent structures. If developing the mem with the goal of being there for at least the next 20 years then you need a complete stadium re-think as opposed to a piecemeal temporary development. Personally I dont think there is much wrong with the West Stand as it is. You could add seating to all of the standing section very easily all the way to almost pitch side if you wanted to add even more capacity. As I said earlier, if we are looking at the Mem as our home for the next 20 odd years then a bigger Blackthorn end would be the next on the list and then look to do something with the East. If we were actually considering it and we got our time scales correct we may just get the actual seated part of the stand completed over a closed season. It wasn't long ago you were telling us all to forget the Mem ever being redeveloped as it was totally unviable? A full development from a ROI point of view still isn’t viable and my opinion on that hasn’t changed as building bespoke stadia for life and moving pitches etc is going to cost £50-60m minimum and you can’t put into a stadium what you need to return the cost outlay that will also benefit the playing budget. The locals won’t have it and you’ll face all sorts of JRs just to put a spade in the floor. However if 2 ends of the ground of temporary structures cost you £10m combined, you’ll return the net cost of that in 5 years on gate tickets alone meaning over 20 years it’s a good option. That’s why it’s good to be clear on the vision for our club. How long do we actually plan to be at the Mem? Certainly for the foreseeable as I can’t see the FM coming off and certainly not in the next 5 years and if the club is actually honest with us, they probably feel we’re going to be at the Mem for the next 10 years at least, hence the south stand and rumours about others. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 25, 2023 15:21:07 GMT
It wasn't long ago you were telling us all to forget the Mem ever being redeveloped as it was totally unviable? A full development from a ROI point of view still isn’t viable and my opinion on that hasn’t changed as building bespoke stadia for life and moving pitches etc is going to cost £50-60m minimum and you can’t put into a stadium what you need to return the cost outlay that will also benefit the playing budget. The locals won’t have it and you’ll face all sorts of JRs just to put a spade in the floor. However if 2 ends of the ground of temporary structures cost you £10m combined, you’ll return the net cost of that in 5 years on gate tickets alone meaning over 20 years it’s a good option. That’s why it’s good to be clear on the vision for our club. How long do we actually plan to be at the Mem? Certainly for the foreseeable as I can’t see the FM coming off and certainly not in the next 5 years and if the club is actually honest with us, they probably feel we’re going to be at the Mem for the next 10 years at least, hence the south stand and rumours about others. Are there actual rumours or just speculation and hypotheticals? |
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 25, 2023 15:29:01 GMT
Here's another thought if they are going to do the east stand next what about about moving the stand back, then move the pitch when the west stand is redeveloped Now you are getting into proper development as oppsed to semi permanent structures. If developing the mem with the goal of being there for at least the next 20 years then you need a complete stadium re-think as opposed to a piecemeal temporary development. Personally I dont think there is much wrong with the West Stand as it is. You could add seating to all of the standing section very easily all the way to almost pitch side if you wanted to add even more capacity. As I said earlier, if we are looking at the Mem as our home for the next 20 odd years then a bigger Blackthorn end would be the next on the list and then look to do something with the East. If we were actually considering it and we got our time scales correct we may just get the actual seated part of the stand completed over a closed season. If you read the context of my post correctly I said "IF" there's no confirmation of any further construction down the line other than what's currently being constructed it was just an idea. |
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Post by playtowin on Sept 25, 2023 16:22:20 GMT
and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? That’s easy. You just dig another hole and put it all in there. Ok Fletcher.... |
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Post by alftimebovril on Sept 25, 2023 16:40:54 GMT
The problem with the East Stand is that will have to be a much bigger and long term project than the south stand. You will have to factor in a loss of revenue from the hospitality restaurants and bars or at least, try and set up some sort of hospitality room by way of porticabins in the car park. I would have thought the Blackthorn end would be the most obvious for development next and that way you can create the extra capacity there to house fans who would usually sit in the East Stand and if you build it to have some sort of conferencing facility you can make that a temporary hospitality suite on match days and still be able to offer that service whilst developing the east stand. There is so much under utilised space behind that goal and you could make a really decent stand there. Doing the east stand next may leave us under the required number of seats for EFL rules,sure I read this somewhere |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 25, 2023 16:58:44 GMT
A full development from a ROI point of view still isn’t viable and my opinion on that hasn’t changed as building bespoke stadia for life and moving pitches etc is going to cost £50-60m minimum and you can’t put into a stadium what you need to return the cost outlay that will also benefit the playing budget. The locals won’t have it and you’ll face all sorts of JRs just to put a spade in the floor. However if 2 ends of the ground of temporary structures cost you £10m combined, you’ll return the net cost of that in 5 years on gate tickets alone meaning over 20 years it’s a good option. That’s why it’s good to be clear on the vision for our club. How long do we actually plan to be at the Mem? Certainly for the foreseeable as I can’t see the FM coming off and certainly not in the next 5 years and if the club is actually honest with us, they probably feel we’re going to be at the Mem for the next 10 years at least, hence the south stand and rumours about others. Are there actual rumours or just speculation and hypotheticals? Just speculation but 1981 is right , the Thatchers end could quite easily be redeveloped as there’s loads of room that end. A full redevelopment of the ground just wouldn’t add up imo . |
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