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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 25, 2023 17:25:51 GMT
Are there actual rumours or just speculation and hypotheticals? Just speculation but 1981 is right , the Thatchers end could quite easily be redeveloped as there’s loads of room that end. A full redevelopment of the ground just wouldn’t add up imo . Just wondered if I've missed anything. I agree, I don't think a full revamp gives enough ROI and would effectively have to be gifted. Replicating the South stand behind the North Terrace could be financially worth it. |
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Post by blueridge on Sept 25, 2023 17:31:42 GMT
IMHO the Mem is going to be totally regenerated. The next project will be the levelling of the East Stand and season ticket holders offered on a priority basis seats in the South Stand. The East terrace will be retained and used whilst the new stand is built running the whole length of the pitch behind the terrace. Once built the terrace will be levelled and the pitch moved east ward up to the new stand. This will give more room on the West Side for the eventual building of a new stand (the final piece in the jigsaw) there after development of the Thatchers End which will follow on after the completion of the new East Stand - total project time 5 years. This is only my opinion and not based on anything else.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2023 17:46:13 GMT
Are there actual rumours or just speculation and hypotheticals? Just speculation but 1981 is right , the Thatchers end could quite easily be redeveloped as there’s loads of room that end. A full redevelopment of the ground just wouldn’t add up imo . If we've built a new south stand and a new north stand it only really needs the east stand to be developed and it will be virtually a complete development, as it would only take relatively minor upgrades to bring the west stand up to standard. Who knows perhaps the new owners convinced Wael this was now the way forward. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 25, 2023 17:48:12 GMT
Just speculation but 1981 is right , the Thatchers end could quite easily be redeveloped as there’s loads of room that end. A full redevelopment of the ground just wouldn’t add up imo . If we've built a new south stand and a new north stand it only really needs the east stand to be developed and it will be virtually a complete development, as it would only take relatively minor upgrades to bring the west stand up to standard. Who knows perhaps the new owners convinced Wael this was now the way forward. My money is on nothing additional happening in the next 5 yrs. |
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Post by gashead4ever on Sept 25, 2023 17:50:40 GMT
we have waited are whole existence to have a new stadium after all the hope and drawling's there now only 2 options redevelop the mem all sides proper job or brand new stadium there should not be any other options east west and north stands need to be proper
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 17:52:15 GMT
A full development from a ROI point of view still isn’t viable and my opinion on that hasn’t changed as building bespoke stadia for life and moving pitches etc is going to cost £50-60m minimum and you can’t put into a stadium what you need to return the cost outlay that will also benefit the playing budget. The locals won’t have it and you’ll face all sorts of JRs just to put a spade in the floor. However if 2 ends of the ground of temporary structures cost you £10m combined, you’ll return the net cost of that in 5 years on gate tickets alone meaning over 20 years it’s a good option. That’s why it’s good to be clear on the vision for our club. How long do we actually plan to be at the Mem? Certainly for the foreseeable as I can’t see the FM coming off and certainly not in the next 5 years and if the club is actually honest with us, they probably feel we’re going to be at the Mem for the next 10 years at least, hence the south stand and rumours about others. Are there actual rumours or just speculation and hypotheticals? A bit of both probably. |
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Post by oviedista on Sept 25, 2023 17:55:09 GMT
Would much temporary stuff be necessary given most of the hospitality in the West stand? There is more hospitality in terms of raw numbers in the East than there is in the west, especially the pay per day hospitality offerings plus you have the bar there as well. All of the exec boxes are sold on a per season basis with the only exception being the new CJ Hole Suite which was the old presidents bar. Didn't know that. Hoped reconstruction would be less disruptive. Maybe they could keep the terraces open while developing behind but unlikely. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 17:55:29 GMT
Just speculation but 1981 is right , the Thatchers end could quite easily be redeveloped as there’s loads of room that end. A full redevelopment of the ground just wouldn’t add up imo . If we've built a new south stand and a new north stand it only really needs the east stand to be developed and it will be virtually a complete development, as it would only take relatively minor upgrades to bring the west stand up to standard. Who knows perhaps the new owners convinced Wael this was now the way forward. The east stand would cost the same price as the North and South put together and then some. Let see some numbers on the south first and then work out whether it’s actually viable. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 25, 2023 18:06:37 GMT
The problem with the East Stand is that will have to be a much bigger and long term project than the south stand. You will have to factor in a loss of revenue from the hospitality restaurants and bars or at least, try and set up some sort of hospitality room by way of porticabins in the car park. I would have thought the Blackthorn end would be the most obvious for development next and that way you can create the extra capacity there to house fans who would usually sit in the East Stand and if you build it to have some sort of conferencing facility you can make that a temporary hospitality suite on match days and still be able to offer that service whilst developing the east stand. There is so much under utilised space behind that goal and you could make a really decent stand there. Doing the east stand next may leave us under the required number of seats for EFL rules,sure I read this somewhere As with the SW stand, if you increase the rake f the West Stand seating and take it from just below the boxes all the way down across the current terracing there will be plenty of new seats. We would temporarily lose some capacity since a terrace holds a lot more than seating, but we'd be complying with the rules. Anyway we won't be allowed terraces in the Championship. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 25, 2023 18:11:22 GMT
Doing the east stand next may leave us under the required number of seats for EFL rules,sure I read this somewhere As with the SW stand, if you increase the rake f the West Stand seating and take it from just below the boxes all the way down across the current terracing there will be plenty of new seats. We would temporarily lose some capacity since a terrace holds a lot more than seating, but we'd be complying with the rules. Anyway we won't be allowed terraces in the Championship. Problem is with seating on the west terrace anywhere near the front would not be under cover and also you could not take the seating down to far as the front of the terrace is below pitch level. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 25, 2023 18:18:13 GMT
As with the SW stand, if you increase the rake f the West Stand seating and take it from just below the boxes all the way down across the current terracing there will be plenty of new seats. We would temporarily lose some capacity since a terrace holds a lot more than seating, but we'd be complying with the rules. Anyway we won't be allowed terraces in the Championship. Problem is with seating on the west terrace anywhere near the front would not be under cover and also you could not take the seating down to far as the front of the terrace is below pitch level. Plymouth's new or rebuilt stand has masses of seating open to the elements. Good point about the level of the pitch relative to the end of terrace though. I have no answer except lowering the pitch. Complicated business this stadium design. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2023 18:32:45 GMT
As with the SW stand, if you increase the rake f the West Stand seating and take it from just below the boxes all the way down across the current terracing there will be plenty of new seats. We would temporarily lose some capacity since a terrace holds a lot more than seating, but we'd be complying with the rules. Anyway we won't be allowed terraces in the Championship. Problem is with seating on the west terrace anywhere near the front would not be under cover and also you could not take the seating down to far as the front of the terrace is below pitch level. I assume the roof can be extended? Also no reason the seats have to go to the front of the terrace, we could fill that area in and move the pitch closer to the west stand. If that's impractical just make the west enclosure a safe standing zone. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Sept 25, 2023 19:05:52 GMT
If Rovers built a big new East Stand containg the non-matchday commercial aspects then there wouldn't be so much of an urgent need to redevelop the rest of the stadium. Doing the East Stand next would at least mean the spectator areas are covered.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 25, 2023 19:56:21 GMT
If we've built a new south stand and a new north stand it only really needs the east stand to be developed and it will be virtually a complete development, as it would only take relatively minor upgrades to bring the west stand up to standard. Who knows perhaps the new owners convinced Wael this was now the way forward. My money is on nothing additional happening in the next 5 yrs. Mine's on the East, then the North and eventually the West |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 25, 2023 20:00:23 GMT
My money is on nothing additional happening in the next 5 yrs. Mine's on the East, then the North and eventually the West Hope you’re right and I’m wrong ! 😃 |
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Post by gasify on Sept 25, 2023 20:09:57 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? Ashton Gate? |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Sept 25, 2023 20:14:14 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. and what would you do with 1,000's of Tonne's of Brown field soil you dig out ? Thats easy , you just add it to the soil dug out to make the Bristol Underground.......oh wait  |
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Post by baggins on Sept 25, 2023 20:25:56 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. Digging down 15 metres? You any idea how much that is? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 20:34:28 GMT
If Rovers built a big new East Stand containg the non-matchday commercial aspects then there wouldn't be so much of an urgent need to redevelop the rest of the stadium. Doing the East Stand next would at least mean the spectator areas are covered. True to a point, but if we were to do the east next and make it similar to what the new stand is like at AG with hospitality, corporate and other revenue streams built into it, then that will cost circa £20m and is a totally different ball game to the stand that is being erected at the south end of the ground currently. If we were staying at the mem for the next 30 years minimum then you could argue a case for it, but we would need a clear plan, vision and know where the finance would come from to build it. This is the main problem we have currently, we have gone from a speculative new stadium at the FM to a couple of speculative stands at the mem. Would be nice if we could have a clear vision of what the new owners want to do with us and communicate that to the fans. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 25, 2023 20:37:48 GMT
Big believer in digging down. If we drop the pitch by 10 -15 metres, we could build something amazing that the locals couldn't complain about. I've been to other stadiums where the pitch is lower than ground level. Digging down 15 metres? You any idea how much that is? About 15,000 cm I think 🤔 |
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