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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 7:40:44 GMT
Agree. The only sad thing is that Kelly feels this way over someone having an opinion that she doesn't like. Probably a good way to get some twitter likes and attention too, which it's all about really. It doesn't really matter does it? Also, Keegan views aren't exactly degrading. He acknowledges that the women are really good but specifically states an example where commentary doesn't "cross over" so well. This is yet another case of huge over reaction, compounded on here and by people who will use any size stick to bash the manager. Somebody should give Kelly a hug and reassure her that somebody's view doesn't demand a modern day twitter rant and foot stomping event. It's not worth it and wont help her. On the topic, I don't really mind who commentates but if they are not engaging me, I'll mute the volume. I often do that to the rovers home commentary tbh. They are men and imo, not very good! the witchfinders have run out of sticks. They are now down to twigs. Yes, it’s our fault that he can’t stop tweeting controversial nonsense over and over again. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 7:44:18 GMT
He can think what he wants but he's got a tendency to try and act out, like a child, on social media, because he can't handle not being the centre of attention. I prefer my managers managing the club, but some of you love having a famous bloke in charge and overrate him because he 'winds up the haters'. What probably raises his stock with some of the wannabe hard cases in Stone Island on the Thatchers and the sad old ex hard cases who look back fondly to beating people up at games in the 80s is that he occasionally says something like this which subscribes to their idiotic views. Keegan hasn't played professionally since 1985 - football was completely different then. So maybe he shouldn't be allowed to be a pundit? Oh wait he isn't one cos he was a tactical dinosaur when he managed. There are tons of coaches out there who don't bully their players, don't need to be the centre of attention, don't need to be given free reign of the whole club and hire all their mates, don't sign woman beating scum, indeed aren't woman beating scum themselves, who can also beat giants like Port Vale and Cambridge at home on the biggest budget the club's ever had. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 As I said, it’s not like he’s brilliant either is it, less points per game ratio than DC and Cogs in Div1. All down to leadership, a strong CEO would have nipped all this in the bud ages ago and owner. Most of us know a fan who is not going because of him, I know several, I still go with my ST, he won’t stop me. You can call some snowflake or woke, just don’t give you customers the opportunity not to go based on a businesses extreme opinion, in essence he is our marketing and PR spokesman. If you are reading this TG, Wael, new owners, it’s simple, tell the club/business mission statement, every good business has one. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 6, 2023 7:49:19 GMT
the witchfinders have run out of sticks. They are now down to twigs. Yes, it’s our fault that he can’t stop tweeting controversial nonsense over and over again. Agreeing with Keegans opinion on how good women commentators are is controversial? Or, are we solely focused on the bit where he says about England v Scotland? People have made that choice eh.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 7:54:56 GMT
Yes, it’s our fault that he can’t stop tweeting controversial nonsense over and over again. Agreeing with Keegans opinion on how good women commentators are is controversial? Or, are we solely focused on the bit where he says about England v Scotland? People have made that choice eh.. We just have to accept it don’t we Simon, we don’t have the leadership in place to stop him. The issue is, some don’t think his latest outburst is bad, the likes of Kelly does, it’s all levels, his view on churches for example offended me, simply don’t offend anyone and your customers? He is not the bloke down the pub or local red neck on Facebook, he’s our PR spokesman, fans in football listen to the manager more than anyone! It reminds me of Dan Wootton and some the GB News lot, you can keep saying controversial things, at some point you go too far and he will. Eventually someone at TalkSPORT said this bloke Collymore has said enough, it will happen at Rovers with Barton. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 6, 2023 7:56:31 GMT
I think for on all of this it shows the state of the leadership of the club. Ultimately we are a business and brand with customers and Kelly is one just as we have Jewish supporters who will have links to Israel and Barton promotes support for Palestine. We will have fans who are supporters of the monarchy, Christians who will be offended on his view of churches, his hatred towards the Tories but he doesn’t mind tax avoidance which the Labour Party detest. The Kuwaiti’s know all about PR and brand awareness, they are working with the NBA and this great organisation wouldn’t want to be associated with a free speaking idiot like we have. His support for Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate, the NBA wouldn’t want their brand associated with this especially as they are training U16’s. We live in a world of free speech but employers also have the right to inform individuals of their deemed behaviour to protect their brand. I think the Leadership of Bristol Rovers should have stamped this out long ago, and it’s why a Premiership club with parachute payments wouldn’t touch him, Bristol Sport with a family ethos would not touch him. I work in business, many do on here, I don’t want my business to offend one customer in anyway based on our opinion. Kelly is that one customer but I know the HGT girls haven’t been this season, one has been given vile abuse and trolled for questioning Barton. Again it’s a sign of splitting the fan base. It’s simply isn’t, just do your job and manage your football team. 91 others just seem to do this, they might question the game and VAR etc but they don’t get involved with outside stuff. Some say the likes of me are obsessed, it’s Luke Thomas last week, now Kelly Thursday night, he brings the attention to our club and fans, imagine if he just did what Nigel Pearson or Darrell Clarke did, it’s not like we are even brilliant? I do appreciate the content and detail you put on but let's not get away from the initiating point here. There is a funny part to this in that Kelly has asked Wael to sort it out. Unless things have changed in the last few months, wael is from Jordan and the new owners are Kuwaiti. Both nations treat women as second class citizens in many respects. The whole region has issues that we would be against in the west regarding human rights. They are businessmen here to make money and network with westerners. Kelly's plea and the subsequent support(which isn't support at all, it's just misaligned jb bashing) is mildly amusing. Has anybody met Waels wife or is she shackled at home? |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 6, 2023 7:57:11 GMT
Agreeing with Keegans opinion on how good women commentators are is controversial? Or, are we solely focused on the bit where he says about England v Scotland? People have made that choice eh.. We just have to accept it don’t we Simon, we don’t have the leadership in place to stop him. The issue is, some don’t think his latest outburst is bad, the likes of Kelly does, it’s all levels, his view on churches for example offended me, simply don’t offend anyone and your customers? He is not the bloke down the pub or local red neck on Facebook, he’s our PR spokesman, fans in football listen to the manager more than anyone! It reminds me of Dan Wootton and some the GB News lot, you can keep saying controversial things, at some point you go too far and he will. Eventually someone at TalkSPORT said this bloke Collymore has said enough, it will happen at Rovers with Barton. Maybe but this isn't one of them imo. Over reaction for nothing. |
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Post by eric on Oct 6, 2023 8:01:49 GMT
I noticed this story on the Evening Post website yesterday where the headline was deliberately provocative and misleading. This then led Twitter to move into overdrive with plenty of the usual suspects looking to cancel Keegan and it being a talking point on shows like Loose Women and Jeremy Vine - all based on the false headlines!
Keegan was complimentary of women’s football and women presenters. This is all about what you want from a ‘pundit’ - who is the person brought into the show to provide expert analysis from their own experience playing at that level of football. No reason why women can’t present football shows which they of course already do and do very well, Laura Woods, Gabby Logan etc….No reason why women can’t be lead commentators as that is simply describing the action, personally I’m not keen on the current women commentators as their pitch gets a bit screechy and some of the ladies on this forum hold a similar view.
If for example Jill Scott had managed to break the mould and be good enough to play in the men’s premier league nobody would object to her taking the ‘pundit’ role for a prem game when she retired. The fact is no women have played football to the same standard as top flight men’s football and are therefore no more qualified to take such a role than a Joe Bloggs (male) who might have played semi pro for in Conference South. People at home would say what does Joe Bloggs know about playing in the premier league?
It’s the same across many sports. Can you take seriously a female cricket pundit telling the audience how Joe Root should be playing that 95mph bouncer when she herself has never faced a ball over 70mph?
Overall a typical day in modern UK where mountains are made out of molehills?
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 6, 2023 8:02:27 GMT
He can think what he wants but he's got a tendency to try and act out, like a child, on social media, because he can't handle not being the centre of attention. I prefer my managers managing the club, but some of you love having a famous bloke in charge and overrate him because he 'winds up the haters'. What probably raises his stock with some of the wannabe hard cases in Stone Island on the Thatchers and the sad old ex hard cases who look back fondly to beating people up at games in the 80s is that he occasionally says something like this which subscribes to their idiotic views. Keegan hasn't played professionally since 1985 - football was completely different then. So maybe he shouldn't be allowed to be a pundit? Oh wait he isn't one cos he was a tactical dinosaur when he managed. There are tons of coaches out there who don't bully their players, don't need to be the centre of attention, don't need to be given free reign of the whole club and hire all their mates, don't sign woman beating scum, indeed aren't woman beating scum themselves, who can also beat giants like Port Vale and Cambridge at home on the biggest budget the club's ever had. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 As I said, it’s not like he’s brilliant either is it, less points per game ratio than DC and Cogs in Div1. All down to leadership, a strong CEO would have nipped all this in the bud ages ago and owner. Most of us know a fan who is not going because of him, I know several, I still go with my ST, he won’t stop me. You can call some snowflake or woke, just don’t give you customers the opportunity not to go based on a businesses extreme opinion, in essence he is our marketing and PR spokesman. If you are reading this TG, Wael, new owners, it’s simple, tell the club/business mission statement, every good business has one. I'm not sure of your point. Are you having a go at our owners or Barton? "Most of us know a fan who is not going because of him" How do you know this? I don't know anyone. Let's face facts football isn't like any other business. We are not customers. If we were I think most of us would have been long gone when we got relegated to the Vanarama. We go because we want to watch football and have something to do on a Saturday afternoon. Whoever is managing the team is a temporary thing. Barton is doing OK on the pitch and to me that is all that matters. What he does outside of that is his personal choice. I don't see that reflects on Bristol Rovers. I am also of the mindset who cares what anyone else thinks of Rovers. As for those that choose not to go because Barton is managing that is up to them. They will come back when Barton is gone or when they decide actually I want to watch the footy and will ignore the fact that Barton is the manager. |
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 6, 2023 8:07:42 GMT
Agreeing with Keegans opinion on how good women commentators are is controversial? Or, are we solely focused on the bit where he says about England v Scotland? People have made that choice eh.. We just have to accept it don’t we Simon, we don’t have the leadership in place to stop him. The issue is, some don’t think his latest outburst is bad, the likes of Kelly does, it’s all levels, his view on churches for example offended me, simply don’t offend anyone and your customers? He is not the bloke down the pub or local red neck on Facebook, he’s our PR spokesman, fans in football listen to the manager more than anyone! It reminds me of Dan Wootton and some the GB News lot, you can keep saying controversial things, at some point you go too far and he will. Eventually someone at TalkSPORT said this bloke Collymore has said enough, it will happen at Rovers with Barton. "You can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time." If you spend your whole life trying not to offend anyone then you're going to be pretty exhausted and also not ever say anything of any interest. You will always offend someone at some point. |
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Post by eric on Oct 6, 2023 8:09:50 GMT
So do people really believe that NO women pundits/comms are any good? My issue with the type of comment Keegan has made is that it just writes off a whole gender because they’ve never played men’s football. There’s no balance and mention of people like Sam Matterface who never played the game and is terrible. There’s a big difference between someone’s job as a presenter/commentator versus the role of ‘expert pundit’. Keegan hasn’t called for women to be banned from football, he’s simply said he doesn’t like female ‘pundits’ as they’ve not played the sport at the level which is being shown and cannot therefore provide a fully qualified opinion based on their own personal experiences. Keegan hasn’t called for anyone to be banned or removed. He’s just providing his opinion which seemingly these days is a crime in itself if it isn’t on trend. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 6, 2023 8:11:07 GMT
We just have to accept it don’t we Simon, we don’t have the leadership in place to stop him. The issue is, some don’t think his latest outburst is bad, the likes of Kelly does, it’s all levels, his view on churches for example offended me, simply don’t offend anyone and your customers? He is not the bloke down the pub or local red neck on Facebook, he’s our PR spokesman, fans in football listen to the manager more than anyone! It reminds me of Dan Wootton and some the GB News lot, you can keep saying controversial things, at some point you go too far and he will. Eventually someone at TalkSPORT said this bloke Collymore has said enough, it will happen at Rovers with Barton. "You can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time." If you spend your whole life trying not to offend anyone then you're going to be pretty exhausted and also not ever say anything of any interest. You will always offend someone at some point. Yes, plus eventually trip over your own hypocrisy or fall behind changing times. Some older people are very confused these days because what what right and proper 40 years ago is offensive today. You can compliment a colleague and get sacked for serial harassment these days. 🤯 |
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 6, 2023 8:15:54 GMT
I think this show the ridiculousness that can come about through social media. Everything gets blown up into a major thing when its a brief quote form someone.
I personally couldn't care what JB or KK said, that's up to them.
My own opinion is that commentators are there to give you a bit more interest to the game and relay any extra information you wouldn't get just watching. I don't think that matters who it is as long as they have knowledge on football. I mostly don't really pay much attention to the commentators unless they are particularly annoying. Robbie Savage ruins TNTs champions league coverage for me. He talks such twaddle. As for women commentators I think they do a good job and no reason to not commentate
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 8:20:10 GMT
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 As I said, it’s not like he’s brilliant either is it, less points per game ratio than DC and Cogs in Div1. All down to leadership, a strong CEO would have nipped all this in the bud ages ago and owner. Most of us know a fan who is not going because of him, I know several, I still go with my ST, he won’t stop me. You can call some snowflake or woke, just don’t give you customers the opportunity not to go based on a businesses extreme opinion, in essence he is our marketing and PR spokesman. If you are reading this TG, Wael, new owners, it’s simple, tell the club/business mission statement, every good business has one. I'm not sure of your point. Are you having a go at our owners or Barton? "Most of us know a fan who is not going because of him" How do you know this? I don't know anyone. Let's face facts football isn't like any other business. We are not customers. If we were I think most of us would have been long gone when we got relegated to the Vanarama. We go because we want to watch football and have something to do on a Saturday afternoon. Whoever is managing the team is a temporary thing. Barton is doing OK on the pitch and to me that is all that matters. What he does outside of that is his personal choice. I don't see that reflects on Bristol Rovers. I am also of the mindset who cares what anyone else thinks of Rovers. As for those that choose not to go because Barton is managing that is up to them. They will come back when Barton is gone or when they decide actually I want to watch the footy and will ignore the fact that Barton is the manager. unfortunately he is now in full blown hatred for our manager. He could donate all his money to charity and this user would accuse Barton of flaunting his wealth.you can't win with this one |
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 6, 2023 8:20:48 GMT
For what it’s worth, my wife is not a great football fan, but can’t stand the female football commentators/ pundits foisted on us by the media companies doing their best to satisfy the equality debate.
What does that make her, a female hater?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 8:28:35 GMT
We just have to accept it don’t we Simon, we don’t have the leadership in place to stop him. The issue is, some don’t think his latest outburst is bad, the likes of Kelly does, it’s all levels, his view on churches for example offended me, simply don’t offend anyone and your customers? He is not the bloke down the pub or local red neck on Facebook, he’s our PR spokesman, fans in football listen to the manager more than anyone! It reminds me of Dan Wootton and some the GB News lot, you can keep saying controversial things, at some point you go too far and he will. Eventually someone at TalkSPORT said this bloke Collymore has said enough, it will happen at Rovers with Barton. "You can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time." If you spend your whole life trying not to offend anyone then you're going to be pretty exhausted and also not ever say anything of any interest. You will always offend someone at some point. Do you work in business out of interest and understand brand awareness? The Cardiff owner changed the colour of their kit, he never understood his customers views and feelings. It’s his business but he has a choice and it was a terrible one, the fans won in the end. Barton isn’t even the owner, he’s an employee? Most people choose not to offend people but if they do it a lot, you usually find they hang around with those kind of people. Some do it by accident and apologise, some are just idiots people keep a wide birth of. But he represents our business, he is paid to manage a football, don’t you understand every Daily Mail article is part of our brand awareness? My nephew text me Saturday asking why is the manager the way he is re Luke Thomas, again brand awareness. Can I ask you, if you owned a £6 million turnover business, would you allow an employee to keep representing your brand this way? And before someone says it’s on a private account, the Holocaust comment, calling Luke Thomas an idiot live to the media was via BRFC employment. And if the £6 million business was one dealing with the general public, with paying customers, the employee would be reminded of his outside conduct. HGT are no longer a partner to the club because of Barton, they have stopped this, it’s public. Have a read of this viewhr.co.uk/misuse-of-facebook-by-employees-to-post-or-not-to-post/We are a BUSINESS! It’s why we are so rag bag and why they laugh at us on the OTIB, we are light years behind them. Would TikTok who sponsor Wrexham now want to be associated with us, we have such narrow view on this, you have to have a business view as well, customers, sponsors, advertisers. |
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Post by jungleboogie on Oct 6, 2023 8:31:15 GMT
I'm not sure of your point. Are you having a go at our owners or Barton? "Most of us know a fan who is not going because of him" How do you know this? I don't know anyone. Let's face facts football isn't like any other business. We are not customers. If we were I think most of us would have been long gone when we got relegated to the Vanarama. We go because we want to watch football and have something to do on a Saturday afternoon. Whoever is managing the team is a temporary thing. Barton is doing OK on the pitch and to me that is all that matters. What he does outside of that is his personal choice. I don't see that reflects on Bristol Rovers. I am also of the mindset who cares what anyone else thinks of Rovers. As for those that choose not to go because Barton is managing that is up to them. They will come back when Barton is gone or when they decide actually I want to watch the footy and will ignore the fact that Barton is the manager. unfortunately he is now in full blown hatred for our manager. He could donate all his money to charity and this user would accuse Barton of flaunting his wealth.you can't win with this one And on the flip side, Barton could take a dump in your mouth and a few of you on here would be begging for more! |
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 6, 2023 8:35:40 GMT
"You can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time." If you spend your whole life trying not to offend anyone then you're going to be pretty exhausted and also not ever say anything of any interest. You will always offend someone at some point. Do you work in business out of interest and understand brand awareness? The Cardiff owner changed the colour of their kit, he never understood his customers views and feelings. It’s his business but he has a choice and it was a terrible one, the fans won in the end. Barton isn’t even the owner, he’s an employee? Most people choose not to offend people but if they do it a lot, you usually find they hang around with those kind of people. Some do it by accident and apologise, some are just idiots people keep a wide birth of. But he represents our business, he is paid to manage a football, don’t you understand every Daily Mail article is part of our brand awareness? My nephew text me Saturday asking why is the manager the way he is re Luke Thomas, again brand awareness. Can I ask you, if you owned a £6 million turnover business, would you allow an employee to keep representing your brand this way? And before someone says it’s on a private account, the Holocaust comment, calling Luke Thomas an idiot live to the media was via BRFC employment. And if the £6 million business was one dealing with the general public, with paying customers, the employee would be reminded of his outside conduct. HGT are no longer a partner to the club because of Barton, they have stopped this, it’s public. Have a read of this viewhr.co.uk/misuse-of-facebook-by-employees-to-post-or-not-to-post/We are a BUSINESS! I really don't get your point. Rovers isn't a brand it's a football club. I support rovers because my dad supported rovers and took me along to the games. No one had to do any selling to me. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 6, 2023 8:37:17 GMT
It's Joey, Kevin and others opinion. I don't happen to agree and I think it just shows up the macho BS and fragile ego's that proliferate the men's games from the pitch to the terraces among certain people
The saddest thing is there are female fans that don't feel comfortable for their own reasons when males at the top say things like this, because it filters down. Football has progressed in may areas in terms on inclusivity over the years, but in recent years I actually feel it has gone backwards, whether it's racism, sexism, homophobia etc
Her Game Too were mocked when they were set up. Mocked because people didn't think it was needed, which in it's self just highlighted why they became into existence and now (perhaps someone can clarify) Her Game Too aren't even partnered with the club 2 of the founder members support judging by their website
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 8:41:37 GMT
So you don’t work in business, I respect that, you don’t get it.
Sponsors and advertisers are nothing to do with fans and you and your Father.
Just because you don’t take offence, it doesn’t mean Kelly doesn’t, or HGT pulling away from being a partner to the club.
The new family relocated to Bristol from say Herts, Cumbria, who want to take their children to games locally.
I know 5 Gasheads who don’t go because of him, that’s ok though, you have thick skin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 8:42:48 GMT
It's Joey, Kevin and others opinion. I don't happen to agree and I think it just shows up the macho BS and fragile ego's that proliferate the men's games from the pitch to the terraces among certain people The saddest thing is there are female fans that don't feel comfortable for their own reasons when males at the top say things like this, because it filters down. Football has progressed in may areas in terms on inclusivity over the years, but in recent years I actually feel it has gone backwards, whether it's racism, sexism, homophobia etc Her Game Too were mocked when they were set up. Mocked because people didn't think it was needed, which in it's self just highlighted why they became into existence and now (perhaps someone can clarify) Her Game Too aren't even partnered with the club 2 of the founder members support judging by their website 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Bang on, brilliant. |
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