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Post by tlucas on Oct 23, 2023 11:05:42 GMT
The point is we are trying to play football that will keep us there when we get there ! All these old boys remembering when we last got to the giddy heights of Div 2...will remember it didnt take too long for us to come straight back down......so along the way we will hit bumps and the injuries are just that at present....although I wonder too why it seems we have a long injury list each season at some point or another.....I think he is trying to build a team like Ipswich not only promoted, but then able to compete at least for now anyway in the league above without making too may changes when you get there. It took Ipswich a few years to sort out what they are now doing.....and I suspect a lot of money....do we have the trust patience and funds to keep going....
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 23, 2023 11:24:47 GMT
I got told on another thread I had a dinosaur view of how football should be played today……….I also remember us in the todays Championship playing direct football to get into it. I look at Wycombe now who have parachute payments for 3/4 years from the championship and that’s how Ainsworth took them up. Wycombe have a better ground than us, better catchment area for players, but our fans (some) demand we can only go up playing Pep football. I was chatting to a prominent poster on this forum, we rarely agree on stuff but we are both in agreement on one thing, we both taking winning football over how it’s played. If we had gone direct hoof ball at Cambridge, Peterborough, Oxford and Saturday just gone, got results, sat in top 10, I’d be over the moon. We don't have the players for direct hoof ball!! |
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Post by eric on Oct 23, 2023 11:27:44 GMT
I got told on another thread I had a dinosaur view of how football should be played today……….I also remember us in the todays Championship playing direct football to get into it. I look at Wycombe now who have parachute payments for 3/4 years from the championship and that’s how Ainsworth took them up. Wycombe have a better ground than us, better catchment area for players, but our fans (some) demand we can only go up playing Pep football. I was chatting to a prominent poster on this forum, we rarely agree on stuff but we are both in agreement on one thing, we both taking winning football over how it’s played. If we had gone direct hoof ball at Cambridge, Peterborough, Oxford and Saturday just gone, got results, sat in top 10, I’d be over the moon. We don't have the players for direct hoof ball!! And when we played hoofball under Coughlan the supporters voted with their feet. Playing our current style has seen attendances rise and led the owners to feel justified in substantial spending on a new stand. There will be sellouts when everything starts to click with this current squad ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 11:30:30 GMT
Yes we do, Martin is a target man and wins ball in the air.
It’s also again the understanding of the game, you can let the opposition win the header and you ball for the second ball. An example is Portman Road under Cogs, we won 2-1, Nicholls and Tyler Smith up front, Ogogo, Sercs and Upson pressed for the second ball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 11:31:44 GMT
And I am not saying play it every week, we can do it on occasions away from home against sides that want to sit back on us
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 23, 2023 12:36:49 GMT
We don't have the players for direct hoof ball!! And when we played hoofball under Coughlan the supporters voted with their feet. Playing our current style has seen attendances rise and led the owners to feel justified in substantial spending on a new stand. There will be sellouts when everything starts to click with this current squad ! Tend to agree,I don't usually comment on these type of threads as many supporters seem to swing from wildly optimistic to wildly pessimistic depending if we've won or lost a game. What I do see is a very long injury list and players not available due to red cards which I think means we have 10/12 potential starters not available,there are no teams in our division that can deliver consistency with that lack of availability. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2023 22:52:37 GMT
The point is we are trying to play football that will keep us there when we get there ! All these old boys remembering when we last got to the giddy heights of Div 2...will remember it didnt take too long for us to come straight back down......so along the way we will hit bumps and the injuries are just that at present....although I wonder too why it seems we have a long injury list each season at some point or another.....I think he is trying to build a team like Ipswich not only promoted, but then able to compete at least for now anyway in the league above without making too may changes when you get there. It took Ipswich a few years to sort out what they are now doing.....and I suspect a lot of money....do we have the trust patience and funds to keep going.... Comparing us to Ipswich is laughable , they have massive investment and are one of the biggest clubs financially and best run outside of the Premier league . They also have a 30,000 capacity stadium. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2023 22:56:32 GMT
We don't have the players for direct hoof ball!! And when we played hoofball under Coughlan the supporters voted with their feet. Playing our current style has seen attendances rise and led the owners to feel justified in substantial spending on a new stand. There will be sellouts when everything starts to click with this current squad ! Why do the majority of people on here think that football either has to be direct hoof ball or like Man City ??!! There’s More than two strategies in football and the two that get mentioned on here are at the ends of the spectrum. There’s a lot in between !!! |
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Post by mftc on Oct 23, 2023 23:11:10 GMT
And when we played hoofball under Coughlan the supporters voted with their feet. Playing our current style has seen attendances rise and led the owners to feel justified in substantial spending on a new stand. There will be sellouts when everything starts to click with this current squad ! Why do the majority of people on here think that football either has to be direct hoof ball or like Man City ??!! There’s More than two strategies in football and the two that get mentioned on here are at the ends of the spectrum. There’s a lot in between !!! Well there are two types of music - country and western. Tomorrow might see Rovers trying to make that extra pass against a GC type style battling direct sort of football. I would expect Joeys budget is twice of Evans, so you would hope we get the points. |
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Post by Quarters on Oct 24, 2023 21:35:26 GMT
After tonight hard to argue with the title.
Suppose he tried a 4 4 2 then 3 5 2 but that was the limit of the tactician at work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 6:46:48 GMT
I said it on another thread, DC used to roll the dice, Barton plucks them out of a hat.
Had the cheek to quote Stevenage as direct, of course we never tried that last night either 🤔
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 25, 2023 7:29:20 GMT
I love JB'S passion for the club and i desperately want him to succeed ,i do though see where the OP is coming from.IN the days of Paul Trollope and Lenny i used to wonder what on earth we were paying Lenny for , when he left it became apparent that he was as a great positive influence on the young manager trying to make his way. I think JB would benefit from a similar set up, having a wise old head at hand to help him tactically and advise him when to keep quiet. The problem is whereas PT was receptive to help and advice i am not sure that JB would accept any help, i wish he would as i am convinced that the raw material is there to make a very good manager , just needs a bit of help.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 7:35:11 GMT
I love JB'S passion for the club and i desperately want him to succeed ,i do though see where the OP is coming from.IN the days of Paul Trollope and Lenny i used to wonder what on earth we were paying Lenny for , when he left it became apparent that he was as a great positive influence on the young manager trying to make his way. I think JB would benefit from a similar set up, having a wise old head at hand to help him tactically and advise him when to keep quiet. The problem is whereas PT was receptive to help and advice i am not sure that JB would accept any help, i wish he would as i am convinced that the raw material is there to make a very good manager , just needs a bit of help. Good idea! Maybe someone like Kevin Bond perhaps…. |
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Post by percy on Oct 25, 2023 7:46:33 GMT
I love JB'S passion for the club and i desperately want him to succeed ,i do though see where the OP is coming from.IN the days of Paul Trollope and Lenny i used to wonder what on earth we were paying Lenny for , when he left it became apparent that he was as a great positive influence on the young manager trying to make his way. I think JB would benefit from a similar set up, having a wise old head at hand to help him tactically and advise him when to keep quiet. The problem is whereas PT was receptive to help and advice i am not sure that JB would accept any help, i wish he would as i am convinced that the raw material is there to make a very good manager , just needs a bit of help. Good idea! Maybe someone like Kevin Bond perhaps…. Spot on! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 7:50:47 GMT
Good idea! Maybe someone like Kevin Bond perhaps…. Spot on! A shame Barton booted him out into get one of his mates in. |
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Post by Gasshole on Oct 25, 2023 8:18:29 GMT
Could work, freshen things up. .Bath City struggled last year under Jerry Gill who had been in charge of the Romans for 6 seasons. This Season he bought in Jim Barron (80 years old) to help him out. They currently sit second in the table …. scoring for fun and playing an attacking brand of exciting football. Great to watch. All on a very limited budget. You can also chop down a few ales pitchside, and change ends at half time. If you want entertainment Twerton Park is your destination . A change is good as a rest, and come back refreshed. Quite a few are growing weary of watching league one players attempting to play Prem footy. It’s ineffective.
Gerry Francis used to say something similar about the capabilities of his Rovers team. ….something a manager needs to understand.
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 25, 2023 8:22:29 GMT
All this but we had as good or better possession than, and more shots than Portsmouth, Oxford and Barnsley.
Most of our work was in the second half too.
I think its too easy to be critical when results don't go our way. Win 2-1 and these threads don't exist!
Never mind every season its the same thread topics from the same contributors regardless the manager, division, squad or owner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 8:28:32 GMT
All this but we had as good or better possession than, and more shots than Portsmouth, Oxford and Barnsley. Most of our work was in the second half too. I think its too easy to be critical when results don't go our way. Win 2-1 and these threads don't exist! Never mind every season its the same thread topics from the same contributors regardless the manager, division, squad or owner. If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 25, 2023 8:48:25 GMT
A shame Barton booted him out into get one of his mates in. I don't know the facts behind that decision but it kind of reinforces the point i made, that is i doubt JB is the type to be receptive of good advice, there may be someone out there who he would listen to, hope so, as if he is determined to do it his way or no way and he does not get it right soon it may not end well for him which IMHO would be a shame. |
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Post by scottleroc on Oct 25, 2023 9:05:43 GMT
One of the things that concerns me is that the players seem to have a lot of down time and breaks. I know footballers don’t train all day every day and there have been international breaks but it does feel like I’m interviews they are talking about ‘a few days at home’ and some have been away on holiday. IMO that must make the season seem ‘bitty’ and break up any rhythm. I want to hear that we are working hard on improving things, drilling tactics in and working on set plays etc etc.
Part of the problem is that many of the squad are out of area and haven’t committed with their families to live in the area.
I have no agenda with or against JB but there just doesn’t seem to be consistency or set plays or plans. So frustrating and epitomises us as a club, in that the owners and JB talk a good game but we always fall short. I won’t regurgitate the issues we have had………
One final point though I disagree with points raised that JB has put a great squad together and they are letting him down, I think the squad is good but a number of injury prone players and players not playing to their potential. I think that is on JB and the coaching staff. They brought in/picked and train the players and set the tactics. The squad is underperforming for whatever reason and they need to find a solution to this underperformance.
I just want the club to be as successful as possible and get the best from the resources we have, as I am sure we all do…..😬
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