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Post by socrates on Oct 25, 2023 9:09:28 GMT
All this but we had as good or better possession than, and more shots than Portsmouth, Oxford and Barnsley. Most of our work was in the second half too. I think its too easy to be critical when results don't go our way. Win 2-1 and these threads don't exist! Never mind every season its the same thread topics from the same contributors regardless the manager, division, squad or owner. If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things Correct , I looked at all of the possession stats in league 1 from Saturdays games and every winning team had less possession than their opponents. For example reading had more possession than Charlton but lost 4-0. . Then last night Charlton had more possession v Lincoln but lost 3-1, it’s happening a lot because of this mentality that possession wins games but it really doesn’t at any level let alone lower leagues.Too many managers at this level have been brainwashed by the Gardiola idiology and it’s making them look silly and holding their clubs back. The fans as well, the amount of times I’ve read on here that we’re playing lovely football , are we ? Watching us move the ball with slow pointless passing is a Dam bore fest. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 9:17:46 GMT
If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things Correct , I looked at all of the possession stats in league 1 from Saturdays games and every winning team had less possession than their opponents. For example reading had more possession than Charlton but lost 4-0. . Then last night Charlton had more possession v Lincoln but lost 3-1, it’s happening a lot because of this mentality that possession wins games but it really doesn’t at any level let alone lower leagues.Too many managers at this level have been brainwashed by the Gardiola idiology and it’s making them look silly and holding their clubs back. The fans as well, the amount of times I’ve read on here that we’re playing lovely football , are we ? Watching us move the ball with slow pointless passing is a Dam bore fest. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Convinced opposition manager are letting us have the ball as it’s apparently we do very little with it. Leicester won the title with less possession than most of their opponents. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 25, 2023 9:19:14 GMT
If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things Correct , I looked at all of the possession stats in league 1 from Saturdays games and every winning team had less possession than their opponents. For example reading had more possession than Charlton but lost 4-0. Too many managers at this level have been brainwashed and it’s making them look silly and holding their clubs back. The fans as well, the amount of times I’ve read on here that we’re playing lovely football , are we ? Watching us move the ball with slow pointless passing is a Dam bore fest. Last night was a prime example, 1st half we were so slow it made defending against us a piece of cake, even on the counter attack they had so much time to get men behind the ball. 2nd half we upped the tempo straight from the ko and could have been level within the first 10 mins. Granted we didn't work their keeper nearly enough but we got into so many more decent positions. I like the way we're trying to play but completely agree it needs to be done quicker. I certainly think we have the players capable of doing that |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 9:28:24 GMT
All this but we had as good or better possession than, and more shots than Portsmouth, Oxford and Barnsley. Most of our work was in the second half too. I think its too easy to be critical when results don't go our way. Win 2-1 and these threads don't exist! Never mind every season its the same thread topics from the same contributors regardless the manager, division, squad or owner. And you are the same contributor as well, do you regularly go to games anymore and are you happy with 1.04 points a game in Div1? Do you think a win last night covers all this up? And instead of just knocking people for having an opinion, what is yours, have you enjoyed something like only 2/3 home wins in 2023, how do you find this acceptable? |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 25, 2023 9:45:35 GMT
All this but we had as good or better possession than, and more shots than Portsmouth, Oxford and Barnsley. Most of our work was in the second half too. I think its too easy to be critical when results don't go our way. Win 2-1 and these threads don't exist! Never mind every season its the same thread topics from the same contributors regardless the manager, division, squad or owner. And you are the same contributor as well, do you regularly go to games anymore and are you happy with 1.04 points a game in Div1? Do you think a win last night covers all this up? And instead of just knocking people for having an opinion, what is yours, have you enjoyed something like only 2/3 home wins in 2023, how do you find this acceptable? I'm not sure what difference it makes if anyone regularly goes to games ? |
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Post by socrates on Oct 25, 2023 9:47:39 GMT
Correct , I looked at all of the possession stats in league 1 from Saturdays games and every winning team had less possession than their opponents. For example reading had more possession than Charlton but lost 4-0. . Then last night Charlton had more possession v Lincoln but lost 3-1, it’s happening a lot because of this mentality that possession wins games but it really doesn’t at any level let alone lower leagues.Too many managers at this level have been brainwashed by the Gardiola idiology and it’s making them look silly and holding their clubs back. The fans as well, the amount of times I’ve read on here that we’re playing lovely football , are we ? Watching us move the ball with slow pointless passing is a Dam bore fest. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Convinced opposition manager are letting us have the ball as it’s apparently we do very little with it. Leicester won the title with less possession than most of their opponents. It’s Happening in the Premier league also, take the Spurs Fulham game Monday night , both Spurs goals were created by Fulham passing it around their own third in a way that they clearly weren’t comfortable with. Man City will win the league again this season because gardiolas style works for them and other than arsenal whom it works for most of the time the others are actually worse off doing it. Even Brighton who can and have made it work over the last couple of seasons are now giving it away more than making it work in their games I’ve seen recently. Gardiola must be watering himself laughing at what footballs become in this country this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 10:29:57 GMT
And you are the same contributor as well, do you regularly go to games anymore and are you happy with 1.04 points a game in Div1? Do you think a win last night covers all this up? And instead of just knocking people for having an opinion, what is yours, have you enjoyed something like only 2/3 home wins in 2023, how do you find this acceptable? I'm not sure what difference it makes if anyone regularly goes to games ? A big difference, the time and money of an away game seeing us play as I have makes me post my concerns and frustrations? As a season ticket holder, seeing only 2/3 wins on the calendar year of 2023 also gives me concerns which I raise. Now if he is happy with 1.04 points a game in Div1 I applaud him for his patience but I’ve also asked his opinion? And with all this in mind, lack of home wins, more defeats than wins in total, I am asking how often he goes. GGMI publicly said he hasn’t been for 18 months but he started a thread on is it an “Overreaction” and I said if you went to games, time, money and time effort, you might not feel like this? |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 25, 2023 10:43:11 GMT
I'm not sure what difference it makes if anyone regularly goes to games ? A big difference, the time and money of an away game seeing us play as I have makes me post my concerns and frustrations? As a season ticket holder, seeing only 2/3 wins on the calendar year of 2023 also gives me concerns which I raise. Now if he is happy with 1.04 points a game in Div1 I applaud him for his patience but I’ve also asked his opinion? And with all this in mind, lack of home wins, more defeats than wins in total, I am asking how often he goes. GGMI publicly said he hasn’t been for 18 months but he started a thread on is it an “Overreaction” and I said if you went to games, time, money and time effort, you might not feel like this? I completely understand the financial aspect my daughter would love us to go to more away games if we could afford it. However I don't see how attending games makes anyone's opinion more valid ? Apologies if I've misunderstood but it read as though going to games somehow makes you more qualified to comment |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Oct 25, 2023 10:47:03 GMT
Our formation needs a change, there’s no point having players like Brown and Collins on the pitch if we’re not going to give them the ball in good areas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 10:49:27 GMT
Worrell in no way does it give a poster a stronger opinion, many watch on ifollow. But at games you see more than you do on the tv, you see where the move started or failed, I was at Wembley for England v Italy, you don’t see Kane’s movement when the camera is on Kyle Walker. And when the ball for example goes out of pkay which the camera follows, you don’t see Taylor hammering the players in front of him for having no options to pass to?
But I don’t care what anyone says, you factor in time, money and effort, missing an event, having a row with your partner as the football is coming first! You are going to come on here, Twitter, Radio Bristol and mention your frustrations over someone who has not gone to this effort.
I also said I admired his patience if he goes regularly and puts up with it all, many have stopped going, the attendances are right down now!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 25, 2023 11:03:19 GMT
Worrell in no way does it give a poster a stronger opinion, many watch on ifollow. But at games you see more than you do on the tv, you see where the move started or failed, I was at Wembley for England v Italy, you don’t see Kane’s movement when the camera is on Kyle Walker. And when the ball for example goes out of pkay which the camera follows, you don’t see Taylor hammering the players in front of him for having no options to pass to? But I don’t care what anyone says, you factor in time, money and effort, missing an event, having a row with your partner as the football is coming first! You are going to come on here, Twitter, Radio Bristol and mention your frustrations over someone who has not gone to this effort. I also said I admired his patience if he goes regularly and puts up with it all, many have stopped going, the attendances are right down now! That's fair and I completely agree regarding seeing things live you wouldn't pick up on TV. I've been to every home game & watched the away games on ifollow and I'm not quite in the JB out camp yet. The next 6 games are pivotal for me, I'm frustrated because I genuinely think this squad are capable of so much more than we've seen so far. In patches some of the stuff we've played has been really impressive and yet we also have performances like last night & at Burton in us. Would a new manager do more with this squad, quite possibly but for me we've seen glimpses on what we're capable of we now need to see it regularly over the next 6 games |
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Post by percy on Oct 25, 2023 11:11:53 GMT
What would I like to see Saturday? Some basics done right of course and play to our strengths. I’d put Aaron up top and have 3 or 4 players running at them. Move the ball quick. Press them. But all requires a strong and confident back line to build off.
GK Cox (what choice do we have?!)
RB Hunt (hopefully) or Hoole if not fit
CBs Taylor & Crama. Given some games these 2 can be great and we should build the defence around them
LB Friend (very weak here. Not sure he can last so would give Gordon another go as sub after an hour)
CMs Bogarde & Grant (Finley to come on for final half hour)
ACM Evans
Up top Vale Collins Brown (Marquis or Martin 2nd half if we need to change it up)
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 25, 2023 11:32:36 GMT
And you are the same contributor as well, do you regularly go to games anymore and are you happy with 1.04 points a game in Div1? Do you think a win last night covers all this up? And instead of just knocking people for having an opinion, what is yours, have you enjoyed something like only 2/3 home wins in 2023, how do you find this acceptable? I'm not sure what difference it makes if anyone regularly goes to games ? If anything, East and West seats apart, you get a much better view when watching at home but you are unable to gauge the atmosphere and thoughts of others. For me, East seats offer the best view of all options. |
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Post by eric on Oct 25, 2023 12:35:08 GMT
What would I like to see Saturday? Some basics done right of course and play to our strengths. I’d put Aaron up top and have 3 or 4 players running at them. Move the ball quick. Press them. But all requires a strong and confident back line to build off. GK Cox (what choice do we have?!) RB Hunt (hopefully) or Hoole if not fit CBs Taylor & Crama. Given some games these 2 can be great and we should build the defence around them LB Friend (very weak here. Not sure he can last so would give Gordon another go as sub after an hour) CMs Bogarde & Grant (Finley to come on for final half hour) ACM Evans Up top Vale Collins Brown (Marquis or Martin 2nd half if we need to change it up) Bogarde will be very lucky to start on Saturday - everything he did last night was abysmal and it looked like it was his first ever game of football. He did well to stand out as worse than everyone else given not a single starter had a decent game |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 26, 2023 9:22:18 GMT
All this but we had as good or better possession than, and more shots than Portsmouth, Oxford and Barnsley. Most of our work was in the second half too. I think its too easy to be critical when results don't go our way. Win 2-1 and these threads don't exist! Never mind every season its the same thread topics from the same contributors regardless the manager, division, squad or owner. If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things Quite the opposite. In the grand scheme of things you need possession to score and prevent attacks. How about shots? Are we saying we want to have less possession as that's the way to win? Or do we just want to win? We want to go back to kick and hope like the Jo Kuffour days? The thread wouldn't exist if Crama scored his header. That's a fact. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 26, 2023 9:23:49 GMT
If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things Correct , I looked at all of the possession stats in league 1 from Saturdays games and every winning team had less possession than their opponents. For example reading had more possession than Charlton but lost 4-0. . Then last night Charlton had more possession v Lincoln but lost 3-1, it’s happening a lot because of this mentality that possession wins games but it really doesn’t at any level let alone lower leagues.Too many managers at this level have been brainwashed by the Gardiola idiology and it’s making them look silly and holding their clubs back. The fans as well, the amount of times I’ve read on here that we’re playing lovely football , are we ? Watching us move the ball with slow pointless passing is a Dam bore fest. If we were getting passed off the park and run around for 70 minutes, I'm pretty sure our fans would be complaining, loudly. |
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Post by Quarters on Oct 26, 2023 9:57:24 GMT
If my auntie had bollox etc Possession means nothing really in the grand scheme of things Quite the opposite. In the grand scheme of things you need possession to score and prevent attacks. How about shots? Are we saying we want to have less possession as that's the way to win? Or do we just want to win? We want to go back to kick and hope like the Jo Kuffour days? The thread wouldn't exist if Crama scored his header. That's a fact. Fact, really. Thread started before Tuesdays game. Fact it would still exist. Crama could have scored and Boro could have gone and scored. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 26, 2023 9:59:59 GMT
Correct , I looked at all of the possession stats in league 1 from Saturdays games and every winning team had less possession than their opponents. For example reading had more possession than Charlton but lost 4-0. . Then last night Charlton had more possession v Lincoln but lost 3-1, it’s happening a lot because of this mentality that possession wins games but it really doesn’t at any level let alone lower leagues.Too many managers at this level have been brainwashed by the Gardiola idiology and it’s making them look silly and holding their clubs back. The fans as well, the amount of times I’ve read on here that we’re playing lovely football , are we ? Watching us move the ball with slow pointless passing is a Dam bore fest. If we were getting passed off the park and run around for 70 minutes, I'm pretty sure our fans would be complaining, loudly. How about if we had 50-50 possession and won games 4-1 ? Did you see the Wigan game ? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 26, 2023 10:39:44 GMT
With possession based football you have to keep the ball moving and move it early or you give the oppostion chance to reset their lines and not get drawn in to the tippy tappy sideways stuff.
Many times we roll the ball out and spend 5 seconds holding it waiting for movement, before doing 5 0r 6 passes across the backline and then starting the move. Contrast that to Stevenage who play a very similar style but within 6 moves were in our half or down our flanks. The main difference with what we had and what they had was 2 very good forward men constantly moving between our centre backs which pulled Hoole or Grant in or forward creating the gaps in behind. On occasion it allowed them to split our centre backs through the middle (the sitter they fired over and the free header that hit the post, for example).
Stevenage werent a low block team either like Burton or Cambridge were, they played some decent football and were one of the best teams I've seen this season.
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Post by warwickgas on Oct 26, 2023 10:47:10 GMT
A very good summary. Love him or hate him Evans is a good lower league manager who consistently gets good results. Why can’t Batton see what we can all see - too slow coming out of defence as there’s not enough movement up front to give options.
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