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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 6, 2023 10:17:37 GMT
As I recall the demise that season had deeper roots than that. There was some unhappiness about pay given the performances and that after Mauge was injured the failure to replace him many in the squad believed the board were not commited to promotion. These were ambitious young men, particularly Roberts, Cureton and Ellington. All of whom wanted to play in the newly formed Championship. Believing they were not serious, the board that is, they gave up. For me the proof of that was when, during that period of "giving up" that team dicked City 2-0 at ours...one for the fans I felt in reflection later. I said at the time and it's true now, perhaps even more so. What goes on in the boardroom ends up on the pitch. You can blame Peter beadle for turning Roberts and Curo’s head You can blame Dunford for not improving their contracts...which should have happened after 25+ goals each that season.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Dec 6, 2023 10:22:04 GMT
Talking of the Holloway era, great podcast with Bobby Zamora on Under The Cosh. Mentions for Olly, Barton, Frankie Bennett and his Rovers exit!
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Post by Gastafari on Dec 6, 2023 11:40:14 GMT
At least try and put up an argument.
The Holloway team proved that it was actually poor without Cureton and Roberts, as it went from Top of League 1 to bottom of league 2 rapidly, with more or less the same bunch of players
Similar to John Wards squad too, again it had Marcus Stewart and Gareth Taylor, goalscorers, which this side lacks.
However if you look at the pedigree of a lot of this squad, its a better overall squad.
Put Marcus Stewart, Barry Hayles, Cureton or Roberts in this team and we'd be getting promoted with ease.
I do get your point but if you look at the squad now and their abilities and compare them to 2000 there is glaring holes. We dont have a defender remotely in the same mould as Tilson. We dont have any full backs as battle hardened as Pritch and Thompson were. We dont possess anyone in the middle as creative as the Latvian was or as tough as Mauge was. We dont have anyone with a good a footballing brain as Walters had which made up for any lack of pace he had. We have no strikers that are able to finish guilt edge chances let alone half chances like Rovers/Cureton/Ellington were. I said all the way back at the start of the season that we were light in midfield, on the left both at LB and LW and up front. Wilson was an ever present at Centre Back for the Champions last season. I loved Pritch as a player, but Jack Hunt is a far better technical player than Pritch. Not even close. You don't get many players like Mauge anymore, they'd be sent off every week. I think Anthony Evans is close to the Latvian, his goals and assists record is better in less games. Mark Walters was superb of course, Cureton, Roberts and Walters in this team, would get promoted imo. I still feel this squad has far more depth overall than the squads Holloway had. Harvey Vale has been shunted at Left Back I think he could be another Eliot Anderson, he's shown glimpses. Luke Thomas has the ability, Aaron Collins is League One Player Of The year remember Holloways squads just had clinical strikers, who could do something out of nothing. Which this squad lacks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 12:18:34 GMT
I do get your point but if you look at the squad now and their abilities and compare them to 2000 there is glaring holes. We dont have a defender remotely in the same mould as Tilson. We dont have any full backs as battle hardened as Pritch and Thompson were. We dont possess anyone in the middle as creative as the Latvian was or as tough as Mauge was. We dont have anyone with a good a footballing brain as Walters had which made up for any lack of pace he had. We have no strikers that are able to finish guilt edge chances let alone half chances like Rovers/Cureton/Ellington were. I said all the way back at the start of the season that we were light in midfield, on the left both at LB and LW and up front. Wilson was an ever present at Centre Back for the Champions last season. I loved Pritch as a player, but Jack Hunt is a far better technical player than Pritch. Not even close. You don't get many players like Mauge anymore, they'd be sent off every week. I think Anthony Evans is close to the Latvian, his goals and assists record is better in less games. Mark Walters was superb of course, Cureton, Roberts and Walters in this team, would get promoted imo. I still feel this squad has far more depth overall than the squads Holloway had. Harvey Vale has been shunted at Left Back I think he could be another Eliot Anderson, he's shown glimpses. Luke Thomas has the ability, Aaron Collins is League One Player Of The year remember Holloways squads just had clinical strikers, who could do something out of nothing. Which this squad lacks. Pritchard around that time was also mulling a move over the river as well from memory?
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Post by richie on Dec 6, 2023 12:20:08 GMT
Losing to a weak Crawley side as MTs first game in charge is probably the worst result we’ve had in a while. Roll on Saturday so I can wipe this from memory
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Post by Gastafari on Dec 6, 2023 12:28:58 GMT
Wilson was an ever present at Centre Back for the Champions last season. I loved Pritch as a player, but Jack Hunt is a far better technical player than Pritch. Not even close. You don't get many players like Mauge anymore, they'd be sent off every week. I think Anthony Evans is close to the Latvian, his goals and assists record is better in less games. Mark Walters was superb of course, Cureton, Roberts and Walters in this team, would get promoted imo. I still feel this squad has far more depth overall than the squads Holloway had. Harvey Vale has been shunted at Left Back I think he could be another Eliot Anderson, he's shown glimpses. Luke Thomas has the ability, Aaron Collins is League One Player Of The year remember Holloways squads just had clinical strikers, who could do something out of nothing. Which this squad lacks. Pritchard around that time was also mulling a move over the river as well from memory? I definitely recall them showing an interest in him.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 6, 2023 12:29:44 GMT
I do get your point but if you look at the squad now and their abilities and compare them to 2000 there is glaring holes. We dont have a defender remotely in the same mould as Tilson. We dont have any full backs as battle hardened as Pritch and Thompson were. We dont possess anyone in the middle as creative as the Latvian was or as tough as Mauge was. We dont have anyone with a good a footballing brain as Walters had which made up for any lack of pace he had. We have no strikers that are able to finish guilt edge chances let alone half chances like Rovers/Cureton/Ellington were. I said all the way back at the start of the season that we were light in midfield, on the left both at LB and LW and up front. Wilson was an ever present at Centre Back for the Champions last season. I loved Pritch as a player, but Jack Hunt is a far better technical player than Pritch. Not even close. You don't get many players like Mauge anymore, they'd be sent off every week. I think Anthony Evans is close to the Latvian, his goals and assists record is better in less games. Mark Walters was superb of course, Cureton, Roberts and Walters in this team, would get promoted imo. I still feel this squad has far more depth overall than the squads Holloway had. Harvey Vale has been shunted at Left Back I think he could be another Eliot Anderson, he's shown glimpses. Luke Thomas has the ability, Aaron Collins is League One Player Of The year remember Holloways squads just had clinical strikers, who could do something out of nothing. Which this squad lacks. Wilson was, but played in a 3 with Dan Scarr and Macauley Gillesphey rather than a 2. At 34 you can see that the level is starting to pass him by. At the same age Tilson was much more capable. Pritch was exactly the type of L1 full back you need. Technical skill at this level is lovely, but not a requirement. To be fit, chase, tackle and communicate with your winger trumps all else. Hunt no longer has that in his game on a regular basis or for sustained periods. You can still be a rock in centre midfield and not be like Finley who collects cards like stamps, if youre looking at Argyle as a reference then Matt Butcher was one who stood out as being a rock in the midfield all last year. I was hoping Woods would be the better option but so far hes managed one good game. The others have been very disappointing. Anthony Evans isn't the same type of midfielder as Vitas was. You cant ask Evans to sit in the middle and spread play about, knock balls to feet, create space for himself and drive from midfield. Evans is more of ACM who thrives in the final third, who gets the ball into his feet to provide the final pass to his strikers, thats why he is often played in the advanced role. We dont have anyone in the Vitas mould currently. Agree on Vale, wasted at LB. Luke Thomas has always been a player I admired since I first saw him at Coventry (F-I-L is a CC fan and I go sometimes) I'd love him to become a gas legend agree again, has the potential.
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Post by Gastafari on Dec 6, 2023 12:50:18 GMT
Wilson was an ever present at Centre Back for the Champions last season. I loved Pritch as a player, but Jack Hunt is a far better technical player than Pritch. Not even close. You don't get many players like Mauge anymore, they'd be sent off every week. I think Anthony Evans is close to the Latvian, his goals and assists record is better in less games. Mark Walters was superb of course, Cureton, Roberts and Walters in this team, would get promoted imo. I still feel this squad has far more depth overall than the squads Holloway had. Harvey Vale has been shunted at Left Back I think he could be another Eliot Anderson, he's shown glimpses. Luke Thomas has the ability, Aaron Collins is League One Player Of The year remember Holloways squads just had clinical strikers, who could do something out of nothing. Which this squad lacks. Wilson was, but played in a 3 with Dan Scarr and Macauley Gillesphey rather than a 2. At 34 you can see that the level is starting to pass him by. At the same age Tilson was much more capable. Pritch was exactly the type of L1 full back you need. Technical skill at this level is lovely, but not a requirement. To be fit, chase, tackle and communicate with your winger trumps all else. Hunt no longer has that in his game on a regular basis or for sustained periods. You can still be a rock in centre midfield and not be like Finley who collects cards like stamps, if youre looking at Argyle as a reference then Matt Butcher was one who stood out as being a rock in the midfield all last year. I was hoping Woods would be the better option but so far hes managed one good game. The others have been very disappointing. Anthony Evans isn't the same type of midfielder as Vitas was. You cant ask Evans to sit in the middle and spread play about, knock balls to feet, create space for himself and drive from midfield. Evans is more of ACM who thrives in the final third, who gets the ball into his feet to provide the final pass to his strikers, thats why he is often played in the advanced role. We dont have anyone in the Vitas mould currently. Agree on Vale, wasted at LB. Luke Thomas has always been a player I admired since I first saw him at Coventry (F-I-L is a CC fan and I go sometimes) I'd love him to become a gas legend agree again, has the potential. Fair points.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 13:22:04 GMT
Pritchard around that time was also mulling a move over the river as well from memory? I definitely recall them showing an interest in him. That was a few seasons before and the move fell through. They came in again and he rejected it
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Post by percy on Dec 6, 2023 14:15:23 GMT
I think post Jan we will see Taylor and Wilson in a 3 with a new LCB. Friend and (maybe) Crama as cover if he gets back to where he was. Would like Connolly back as cover too but assume that cant happen. If Crama goes back and connolly stays we need 3 new CBs in Jan, plus a LB.
Interesting comments about the centre from Taylor last night "too many similar players".
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Post by pirate on Dec 6, 2023 14:16:36 GMT
Talking of the Holloway era, great podcast with Bobby Zamora on Under The Cosh. Mentions for Olly, Barton, Frankie Bennett and his Rovers exit! Listened to this yesterday. Interesting that Bobby is good mates with the Notts County manager Luke Williams and even more interesting is that Williams was in our youth team. Doing a great job at County.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 6, 2023 21:47:18 GMT
I sense MT's got his work cut out if the President is joining the players for some kind of Christmas get together after last night's shocking second half performance.
Personally if I was Wael I'd be telling MT to call them all in today for an extra training session.
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Post by Gas1977 on Dec 6, 2023 21:51:21 GMT
I sense MT's got his work cut out if the President is joining the players for some kind of Christmas get together after last night's shocking second half performance. Personally if I was Wael I'd be telling MT to call them all in today for an extra training session. I see your thinking mate but I dare say that it was pre-booked and regardless it is good to see players bonding outside training also. Not that it appears to count for a lot at the moment.
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Post by pirate on Dec 6, 2023 22:38:09 GMT
Didn’t I see somewhere that he said he might not want to manage again anywhere? He did mention about going into different roles in the game and question his future in management, but also said "I’m very open and it will be a case of watch this space”, but surely he'll be tempted by an exciting opportunity if he thought it was the right fit? He's favourite for the Cambridge United job so it'll be interesting if anything develops there or elsewhere in the future.
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Post by oldie on Dec 7, 2023 3:06:50 GMT
You can blame Peter beadle for turning Roberts and Curo’s head You can blame Dunford for not improving their contracts...which should have happened after 25+ goals each that season. Yep, that is what I recall
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Post by pilninggas on Dec 7, 2023 18:07:03 GMT
Extended interview with MT on Having a Gas, right now
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 7, 2023 18:48:47 GMT
I sense MT's got his work cut out if the President is joining the players for some kind of Christmas get together after last night's shocking second half performance. Personally if I was Wael I'd be telling MT to call them all in today for an extra training session. I see your thinking mate but I dare say that it was pre-booked and regardless it is good to see players bonding outside training also. Not that it appears to count for a lot at the moment. If we have motivation and morale problems cancelling the Christmas party is not the right thing to be doing. GC cancelled the party at half time against Southend and it worked. Cancelling a party when the troops are down because the person that hired them that many of them signed to play with because of who they were going to play for is just kicking them when they’re down. Management (not just in the footballing world) needs to be proportional to the people you’re managing and the situation.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 7, 2023 18:59:45 GMT
I see your thinking mate but I dare say that it was pre-booked and regardless it is good to see players bonding outside training also. Not that it appears to count for a lot at the moment. If we have motivation and morale problems cancelling the Christmas party is not the right thing to be doing. GC cancelled the party at half time against Southend and it worked. Cancelling a party when the troops are down because the person that hired them that many of them signed to play with because of who they were going to play for is just kicking them when they’re down. Management (not just in the footballing world) needs to be proportional to the people you’re managing and the situation. Was it an official club Christmas party or just a few players having a get together with the President, as that's what it looks like from the photo.
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Post by aghast on Dec 7, 2023 22:08:09 GMT
If we have motivation and morale problems cancelling the Christmas party is not the right thing to be doing. GC cancelled the party at half time against Southend and it worked. Cancelling a party when the troops are down because the person that hired them that many of them signed to play with because of who they were going to play for is just kicking them when they’re down. Management (not just in the footballing world) needs to be proportional to the people you’re managing and the situation. Was it an official club Christmas party or just a few players having a get together with the President, as that's what it looks like from the photo. They hid their beers under the table when the cameras approached.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 25, 2024 12:50:57 GMT
No Toppergas he did not fail this season. The owners failed him This season lasts until May and I am still convinced he would have turned it around But lets forget that now and just get behind the new man. Are the owners now failing MT? Would the anger today be against Barton or the owners if he was still manager? I reckon we'd be higher up the league if he'd stayed.
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