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Post by gashead79 on Oct 29, 2023 13:39:52 GMT
No doubt in my mind that the East Stand will be completely demolished and existing season ticket holders will be offered seats in the new south stand in the interim. Again imo much ground work will done along the whole of the east side whilst the stand is in situ before knocking it down to completely during the close season to minimise the delays in getting the new stand completely finished. sorry to burst your bubble |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 29, 2023 13:43:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 14:05:26 GMT
Who’s to say the plan isn’t to build a whopping gert new East stand full length of the park in 2 separate stages, south end first and then north end to finish? Christ Someone bust out the chill pills. I’d heard a few weeks back that they’d be building either side of it No clue how true it is |
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Post by dudelebowski on Oct 29, 2023 14:08:25 GMT
Who’s to say the plan isn’t to build a whopping gert new East stand full length of the park in 2 separate stages, south end first and then north end to finish? Christ Someone bust out the chill pills. I’d heard a few weeks back that they’d be building either side of it No clue how true it is Not sure why that would be desired in terms of ‘redevelopment’, both East and West stands need bulldozing to the ground. |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 29, 2023 14:11:26 GMT
I'm not sure why people keep mentioning replacing the entire East Stand 🤣🤣. He clearly said ( and I've listened 3 times to make sure) that we are building either side of it. The east stand is staying.
Wrong choice in my opinion but if it's what they can afford then so be it.
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Post by albaron on Oct 29, 2023 14:16:28 GMT
Wrong choice in my opinion but if it's what they can afford then so be it. With regards to affordability . Where is the money coming from to do this re-build. Are they that rich or will they have to borrow ? If borrow will this affect the playing budget ? |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 29, 2023 14:26:54 GMT
Wrong choice in my opinion but if it's what they can afford then so be it. With regards to affordability . Where is the money coming from to do this re-build. Are they that rich or will they have to borrow ? If borrow will this affect the playing budget ? They said the money will be borrowed and paid back from revenue earned but won't affect the playing budget. ( Depends how much extra we earn from it I guess ) I presume that's why it's not being completely demolished and just extended as more cost effective. Let's see what the plans show in the next few months. |
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Post by pirate on Oct 29, 2023 14:29:29 GMT
With regards to affordability . Where is the money coming from to do this re-build. Are they that rich or will they have to borrow ? If borrow will this affect the playing budget ? They said the money will be borrowed and paid back from revenue earned but won't affect the playing budget. ( Depends how much extra we earn from it I guess ) I presume that's why it's not being completely demolished and just extended as more cost effective. Let's see what the plans show in the next few months. As the club is currently losing money, surely all the increased revenue would do is reduces the losses, with interest on the loans making the financial situation worse? |
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 29, 2023 14:35:37 GMT
I'm not sure why people keep mentioning replacing the entire East Stand 🤣🤣. He clearly said ( and I've listened 3 times to make sure) that we are building either side of it. The east stand is staying. Wrong choice in my opinion but if it's what they can afford then so be it. Firstly let me be clear I have no idea what the final layout will be/look like - but surely one of the main issues that would be involved in complete removal of the East Stand is the loss (for an unknown period of time I guess) of hospitality and shop that generate income for the club and other facilities it may hold in that area. Not saying it can't/shouldn't be done but would be a major cost consideration in the planning of that project. I guess they could maybe be relocated elsewhere (?) but that is also another cost factor. Guess it depends what they want the final "look" to be. We shall await events....... |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 14:44:35 GMT
They said the money will be borrowed and paid back from revenue earned but won't affect the playing budget. ( Depends how much extra we earn from it I guess ) I presume that's why it's not being completely demolished and just extended as more cost effective. Let's see what the plans show in the next few months. As the club is currently losing money, surely all the increased revenue would do is reduces the losses, with interest on the loans making the financial situation worse? What's the alternative, do nothing and as a club slowly fade away as the Mem rusts away to nothing? The likes of Notts C have developed their present grounds and still survived financially. Although I'm not really sure what the new owners bring to the club, financial wise, if they are going to just borrow all the money, are we going to go from being debt free under Wael to struggling with ever increasing debts under the new owners? Who was really going to fund the JCH transfer, the new owners or some of the equity in the Mem? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 14:47:22 GMT
I'm not sure why people keep mentioning replacing the entire East Stand 🤣🤣. He clearly said ( and I've listened 3 times to make sure) that we are building either side of it. The east stand is staying. Wrong choice in my opinion but if it's what they can afford then so be it. Firstly let me be clear I have no idea what the final layout will be/look like - but surely one of the main issues that would be involved in complete removal of the East Stand is the loss (for an unknown period of time I guess) of hospitality and shop that generate income for the club and other facilities it may hold in that area. Not saying it can't/shouldn't be done but would be a major cost consideration in the planning of that project. I guess they could maybe be relocated elsewhere (?) but that is also another cost factor. Guess it depends what they want the final "look" to be. We shall await events....... The shop can be housed in a portakabin or two? Hospitality possibly in marquees (back to having tents!!) in the car park? |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 29, 2023 14:47:41 GMT
They said the money will be borrowed and paid back from revenue earned but won't affect the playing budget. ( Depends how much extra we earn from it I guess ) I presume that's why it's not being completely demolished and just extended as more cost effective. Let's see what the plans show in the next few months. As the club is currently losing money, surely all the increased revenue would do is reduces the losses, with interest on the loans making the financial situation worse? You'd have thought so yes. Unless they have costed in non matchday revenue it could earn and it makes the figures doable. 🤷. As I've said a few times it would be nice to hear how the mem is now suddenly commercially viable again. |
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 29, 2023 14:52:26 GMT
Firstly let me be clear I have no idea what the final layout will be/look like - but surely one of the main issues that would be involved in complete removal of the East Stand is the loss (for an unknown period of time I guess) of hospitality and shop that generate income for the club and other facilities it may hold in that area. Not saying it can't/shouldn't be done but would be a major cost consideration in the planning of that project. I guess they could maybe be relocated elsewhere (?) but that is also another cost factor. Guess it depends what they want the final "look" to be. We shall await events....... The shop can be housed in a portakabin or two? Hospitality possibly in marquees (back to having tents!!) in the car park? Hope they are well insulated marquees for the winter months.......!  |
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Post by pirate on Oct 29, 2023 14:56:30 GMT
As the club is currently losing money, surely all the increased revenue would do is reduces the losses, with interest on the loans making the financial situation worse? What's the alternative, do nothing and as a club slowly fade away as the Mem rusts away to nothing? The likes of Notts C have developed their present grounds and still survived financially. Although I'm not really sure what the new owners bring to the club, financial wise, if they are going to just borrow all the money, are we going to go from being debt free under Wael to struggling with ever increasing debts under the new owners? Who was really going to fund the JCH transfer, the new owners or some of the equity in the Mem? I've always felt we need a purpose-built facility with good parking, infrastructure and off field revenue generating streams, a minimum 20k capacity with further room for expansion. The Mem site is limited in virtually every aspect. If Wael and now the new owners combined aren't able to deliver something fit for purpose, I'm not sure why they bothered getting involved in the first place? Presumably the "tentative talks" with YTL Corporation (stop laughing!) have now ended, but why it has taken the new owner months to announce this latest stadium regeneration news is beyond me, especially considering with the Fruit Market there was no agreement on the size of the stadium, the capacity of the stadium, the area of the site it would take up, the cost of it all/how it will be funded and how the revenue share would work. Questions should be asked what we have actually been doing all these years with literally no agreements seemingly in place! |
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 29, 2023 14:59:26 GMT
that was before new owners took over and was then paid off I thought there was still a charge on the ground by Nationwide Finance Co? my understanding was that it was settled as part of the takeover leaving the club with no debt but you could be right. |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Oct 29, 2023 15:01:22 GMT
My take on the interview is definatly phase 2 east stand will be extended in both directions , as he mentions clearly north and south of that stand.
Given the existing stands appearance , this will make it look something like the stand at Loftus road ( an antiquated stadium in itself)
tbh I would demolish the thing , but it's clearly staying.
He also says the redevelopment will keep us going for a number of years , which leads me to believe they may be actively looking for a new stadium
in the future , if they stay around. Again its all down to finance and can we generate it with the re do of the mem
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 15:07:09 GMT
My take on the interview is definatly phase 2 east stand will be extended in both directions , as he mentions clearly north and south of that stand.
Given the existing stands appearance , this will make it look something like the stand behind the goal at Loftus road ( an antiquated stadium in itself)
tbh I would demolish the thing , but it's clearly staying.
He also says the redevelopment will keep us going for a number of years , which leads me to believe they may be actively looking for a new stadium
in the future , if they stay around. Again its all down to finance and can we generate it with the re do of the mem
Or just letting any future owners worry about that? The longer we wait the less chance of finding any land will be long gone, in another decade St Phillps Marsh will be all built/planned and the old airport completely site developed. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 29, 2023 15:12:36 GMT
Putting more temporary stands either side of the East Stand would be a low initial cost but it wouldnt provide much additional income to cover the cost. A proper full-length East Stand would cost more to build but offer more scope and flexibility for the future and add value if the owners want to get promoted and then sell the club. It's a question of what is going to get them the best ROI.
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Post by eric on Oct 29, 2023 15:15:13 GMT
What the owner is proposing is exactly what I would do in his shoes. People really need to listen to his interview and forget the idea of demolishing the East Stand, it’s going to extended at both ends which I think will look fine - as long as it’s done correctly and looks like one seamless long stand with seats then being introduced to the front the whole length of the pitch. Should be fairly straightforward (The nimby’s and greens will be the main obstacle).
In my eyes the biggest part of the rebuild and key to the whole viability of it will be what happens to the North. As there is a good amount of room behind we could go very high and deep - one big single ‘Kop’ style safe seating stand with loads of room for bars/hospitality underneath.
The West could be left for a few years - if we are in the top half of the championship on a regular basis and revenue is increasing a rebuild could then become possible. In the meantime the new south, east and north will be more than enough for us.
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Oct 29, 2023 15:20:22 GMT
Well done to those who have put in a SUPPORT comment to BCC Planning.
Please remember to select SUPPORT. One very positive comment has been marked as NEUTRAL.
Another 30 or 40 Support comments today would be really valuable. DO IT.
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