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Post by eric on Oct 29, 2023 15:25:47 GMT
Well done to those who have put in a SUPPORT comment to BCC Planning. Please remember to select SUPPORT. One very positive comment has been marked as NEUTRAL. Another 30 or 40 Support comments today would be really valuable. DO IT. When will the outcome and timescales for next steps be known? |
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Oct 29, 2023 15:27:59 GMT
Well done to those who have put in a SUPPORT comment to BCC Planning. Please remember to select SUPPORT. One very positive comment has been marked as NEUTRAL. Another 30 or 40 Support comments today would be really valuable. DO IT. When will the outcome and timescales for next steps be known? Determination deadline is January 5th. We will need to be patient. More support comments might bring things a little earlier. |
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Post by eric on Oct 29, 2023 15:32:56 GMT
When will the outcome and timescales for next steps be known? Determination deadline is January 5th. We will need to be patient. More support comments might bring things a little earlier. Thanks mate - great work by the way. I’m sure we all appreciate it and you will undoubtedly have led to a lot of positive submissions. (I’ve already added mine in the manner you’ve suggested 👍). |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 29, 2023 15:51:51 GMT
What the owner is proposing is exactly what I would do in his shoes. People really need to listen to his interview and forget the idea of demolishing the East Stand, it’s going to extended at both ends which I think will look fine - as long as it’s done correctly and looks like one seamless long stand with seats then being introduced to the front the whole length of the pitch. Should be fairly straightforward (The nimby’s and greens will be the main obstacle). In my eyes the biggest part of the rebuild and key to the whole viability of it will be what happens to the North. As there is a good amount of room behind we could go very high and deep - one big single ‘Kop’ style safe seating stand with loads of room for bars/hospitality underneath. The West could be left for a few years - if we are in the top half of the championship on a regular basis and revenue is increasing a rebuild could then become possible. In the meantime the new south, east and north will be more than enough for us. As much as I'd prefer a completely new East side, it does seem to make sense in doing what you have suggested. It also keeps options open in the future with the deliberate omission of the West Side, it makes me wonder if they intend to get things to a reasonable standard economically and reasonably quickly, then take stock. It could be in 5 years we are in the Championship and needing more, then they can look to changing again without losing too much in short term projects. 15,000 plus will be more than adequate for our immediate and medium term needs. |
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Post by gascloud on Oct 29, 2023 16:07:41 GMT
I’d flatten this I’d bulldoze that. Blimey, not if you had to foot the cost you wouldn’t. Let’s just be realistic and celebrate that a decision to stay has been made and now THEY can concentrate on making the Mem a much better facility for the long suffering fans with a decent increase in capacity. I’d love a two tiered structure to replace the east stand but I would also argue the only reason it looks tin pot is because it doesn’t span the length of the pitch. I await detailed drawings in due course with excited anticipation. Soulless bowl it will not be 😜
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Post by northseagas on Oct 29, 2023 18:04:17 GMT
Good news about redevelopment of the mem. I think this was the plan all along.
There is no way the new south stand was ever going to be just a temporary structure.
Develop each side in turn and easily get a 18/20,000 cap
And with Ashley down’s new railway station being finished you get a decent rail link as well.
Plenty of room for a very decent stand that runs the whole length of the east terrace. Hopefully
build a new club shop, another good sized bar ,move the changing rooms and decent hospitality boxes
all to bring in more revenue for the club. And hopefully all done within a few years
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Post by eric on Oct 29, 2023 19:23:57 GMT
I’d flatten this I’d bulldoze that. Blimey, not if you had to foot the cost you wouldn’t. Let’s just be realistic and celebrate that a decision to stay has been made and now THEY can concentrate on making the Mem a much better facility for the long suffering fans with a decent increase in capacity. I’d love a two tiered structure to replace the east stand but I would also argue the only reason it looks tin pot is because it doesn’t span the length of the pitch. I await detailed drawings in due course with excited anticipation. Soulless bowl it will not be 😜 It will definitely look better if it runs the full length with a continuation of the roofline but the real ugliness is the wall - I’d have thought once we’ve extended the existing East Stand to each side we could then add seats to the terrace areas making it appear more like a long-standing conventional stand. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 19:38:02 GMT
I’d flatten this I’d bulldoze that. Blimey, not if you had to foot the cost you wouldn’t. Let’s just be realistic and celebrate that a decision to stay has been made and now THEY can concentrate on making the Mem a much better facility for the long suffering fans with a decent increase in capacity. I’d love a two tiered structure to replace the east stand but I would also argue the only reason it looks tin pot is because it doesn’t span the length of the pitch. I await detailed drawings in due course with excited anticipation. Soulless bowl it will not be 😜 It will definitely look better if it runs the full length with a continuation of the roofline but the real ugliness is the wall - I’d have thought once we’ve extended the existing East Stand to each side we could then add seats to the terrace areas making it appear more like a long-standing conventional stand. Mr A suggested that they intended keeping most of the standing? Although not sure any extended roof would keep fans dry anyway sat on the present terracing, as it doesn't keep fans dry now in the stand, it's a ridiculous design. Could we build two semi permanent stands like the south stand alongside it, then knock it down and house those displaced fans in the two new stands, then build something looking like a football stand in it's place? |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 29, 2023 20:19:47 GMT
I’d flatten this I’d bulldoze that. Blimey, not if you had to foot the cost you wouldn’t. Let’s just be realistic and celebrate that a decision to stay has been made and now THEY can concentrate on making the Mem a much better facility for the long suffering fans with a decent increase in capacity. I’d love a two tiered structure to replace the east stand but I would also argue the only reason it looks tin pot is because it doesn’t span the length of the pitch. I await detailed drawings in due course with excited anticipation. Soulless bowl it will not be 😜 It will definitely look better if it runs the full length with a continuation of the roofline but the real ugliness is the wall - I’d have thought once we’ve extended the existing East Stand to each side we could then add seats to the terrace areas making it appear more like a long-standing conventional stand. Don’t fans who sit in the front rows of the stand complain that they get wet if it rains ? edit : just seen that Topper has made the same point . |
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Post by joefrankie on Oct 29, 2023 20:53:59 GMT
Would it make a difference to capacity if the pitch is turned? I've always said this, build a new east stand behind the existing one, re-orientate the pitch to make it behind the goal, enlarge and extend the South and North sides of the ground which would have more length and depth and then finally redevelop the west which would also have more depth if the pitch moved further east. That’s a great idea. And another option could be to still move everything east without turning the pitch round. Build a new east stand, behind the existing one, which would allow the whole ground to stay at full capacity while it is being built. Moving the pitch east would allow more space for a bigger west stand. |
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Post by albaron on Oct 29, 2023 21:27:36 GMT
I've always said this, build a new east stand behind the existing one, re-orientate the pitch to make it behind the goal, enlarge and extend the South and North sides of the ground which would have more length and depth and then finally redevelop the west which would also have more depth if the pitch moved further east. That’s a great idea. And another option could be to still move everything east without turning the pitch round. Build a new east stand, behind the existing one, which would allow the whole ground to stay at full capacity while it is being built. Moving the pitch east would allow more space for a bigger west stand. I don't think they have the money to build a new East stand. That is why they are going to add to each side. Not sure how they're going to raise much money at all if they keep losing millions every season and the playing budget won't be affected. With people choosing to purchase food &drinks in Gloucester road outlets I can see the tents coming back-- Mind you they'll be upgraded by then. |
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Post by gascloud on Oct 29, 2023 21:30:29 GMT
In any seated area you would want, and may even expect, to be kept dry whilst watching football. But, you only have to look at the Prem grounds to witness many thousands of fans absolutely drenched during bad weather. Not a ground in the country that keeps everyone dry. So I’d imagine the new Mem may suffer in parts with a similar problem.
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Post by aghast on Oct 29, 2023 22:07:28 GMT
I can't see the money being available to demolish and rebuild the East stand, but it could be extended in a way that could be attractive. Maybe like Wrexham's Mold Road stand, which looks pretty good:  |
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Oct 29, 2023 22:45:54 GMT
You might be interested to know.
22nd to 28th October.
A total of 13 Objections to the planned South Stand.
Last 24 Hours.
35 Objections and still coming in.
Despite the massive expense incurred in the provision of reports/investigations/statements as requested.
Despite convincing evidence that the club has listened and positively engaged.
Despite the fact that significant changes have been agreed as requested.
Despite the willingness of the club to go the extra mile.
Despite clear evidence that there are no grounds for refusing planning approval.
SIMPLES.
It's nothing to with the stand itself.
I don't need to explain what it is really about.
Please SUPPORT the South Stand application if you understand what is at stake
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 29, 2023 23:06:55 GMT
In my eyes the biggest part of the rebuild and key to the whole viability of it will be what happens to the North. As there is a good amount of room behind we could go very high and deep - one big single ‘Kop’ style safe seating stand with loads of room for bars/hospitality underneath. surely better value to build a proper East Stand where you can achieve higher ticket prices per seat along the side of the pitch and it's further from local housing so easier to get planning permission for non-matchday income streams? |
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 29, 2023 23:08:25 GMT
I can't see the money being available to demolish and rebuild the East stand, but it could be extended in a way that could be attractive. Maybe like Wrexham's Mold Road stand, which looks pretty good: I think it looks awful |
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Post by gaelgas on Oct 30, 2023 0:55:52 GMT
That’s a great idea. And another option could be to still move everything east without turning the pitch round. Build a new east stand, behind the existing one, which would allow the whole ground to stay at full capacity while it is being built. Moving the pitch east would allow more space for a bigger west stand. I don't think they have the money to build a new East stand. That is why they are going to add to each side. Not sure how they're going to raise much money at all if they keep losing millions every season and the playing budget won't be affected. With people choosing to purchase food &drinks in Gloucester road outlets I can see the tents coming back-- Mind you they'll be upgraded by then. I suspect you are right, very similar to Brunton Park, their main stand is almost identical to ours apart from the extensions either side. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 30, 2023 7:10:25 GMT
I can't see the money being available to demolish and rebuild the East stand, but it could be extended in a way that could be attractive. Maybe like Wrexham's Mold Road stand, which looks pretty good: I think it looks awful Compared to what we have atm? Yeah. |
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Post by whitchurchgas on Oct 30, 2023 7:32:35 GMT
Personally happy to redevelop mem, it’s our biggest asset and not sure selling to lease elsewhere was ever a great idea.
Hopefully the east stand doesn’t turn out to be like Carlisle’s stand as that would probably look worse than it currently does.
Looking back at the drone video of the mem that was released 6-8 weeks ago, there must be loads of scope to do something decent with the North terrace, although it’s going to come down to funding.
Looking forward to seeing some plans in the coming months.. fingers crossed!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 7:40:05 GMT
Compared to what we have atm? Yeah. 😂😂 |
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