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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 10, 2023 21:13:11 GMT
what about these players, are these also disastrous? Thomas Collins Taylor Belshaw Grant Hunt Evans Anderson Sinclair Vale Crama McCormick  ? Could also mention Javani Brown but that could fuel the fire so I'll leave him out How much has Rossiter cost us in pay, NI, holiday pay, divided by the number of games played? Go on... Given nobody has a clue what any Rovers player earns how do you expect anybody to answer that question? Although I'm not sure what point is trying to be made, as nobody on the forum had any control over who JB signed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 21:14:05 GMT
Many others, I’ve got PM’s here telling me to carry on, water off a ducks back pal. Jog on If you really are getting PM's then they are probably enjoying you making a fool of yourself. Some encouraging me, all the best Topper, won’t tell you to jog on, you are good value 👍 |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 10, 2023 21:17:39 GMT
There’s plenty of park runs tomorrow and Sunday if anyone is keen to do some jogging but let’s not encourage others to jog on please. But it’s ok to encourage people to disappear 🤷🏼♂️ Usual 10k run Saturday morning around Blenheim Palace for me, Dad doesn’t want to do Carlisle tomorrow so we won’t be going. Appreciate your comments Puckle mate. Apologies - I thought you were exchanging “jog on” pleasantries with another poster who had in turn suggested you jog on. My bad. But I think we could all benefit from being a bit nicer to each other on this thread. I don’t think people are coming on here to have a slanging match. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 10, 2023 21:27:00 GMT
How much has Rossiter cost us in pay, NI, holiday pay, divided by the number of games played? Go on... Given nobody has a clue what any Rovers player earns how do you expect anybody to answer that question? Although I'm not sure what point is trying to be made, as nobody on the forum had any control over who JB signed. Let's play with a couple of numbers then if it's hard for you to pick up. Would £2k a week be a reasonable guesstimate for Rossiter's wage? 8k a month since he signed. Let's say August 2022. So thats 14 months = circa £112k excluding NI, holiday pay and whatever else. Quarters has told us he has played 14 games since he has been here. That's £8,000 a game. Good investment? Made up numbers I know, but how much have we spent on wages for players who are unable to play so often? |
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Post by percy on Nov 10, 2023 21:33:58 GMT
Anyone else looking forward to getting excited about a game and hopefully 3 points?
Would love to see JR back for some games this year but doubt we’ll get more than 5-10 from him. Big shame.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 10, 2023 22:40:34 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. Out of interest, how many games has Rossiter actually played for us within the context of his length of contract with us? It feels like another financially disastrous signing by Barton. Correct oldie, it is comedy gold. Sit down, have a cup of coffee or something stronger and read the posts of a wind-up merchant and the reactions. Better than the telly. Unfortunately every thread ends up the same way. Little discussion just arguments. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. No transfer ever comes with guarantees. Rossiter is a class act but injuries have made him vulnerable and unreliable. I’m looking forward to seeing him back in action because, if fit, he could move us up that table. I’m no great fan of JB but I think his signings overall are probably positive. Of course there are some failures but not Rossiter, yet. Let’s hope he can have a great second half of the season. If he did that we could challenge the top six, still. And of course that’s part of the problem when it comes to looking at JB. Little balance and many taking a binary choice, he’s either the messiah or a very, very naughty boy. When the truth is, like most managers, he’s done some really good things as manager, some strange things and some very embarrassing and stupid things that has brought the club into disrepute at times, imo. But he gave us a wonderful memory in that final match in ‘22. A memory, fans all over this country would have loved. Hey ho! UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 23:05:23 GMT
Given nobody has a clue what any Rovers player earns how do you expect anybody to answer that question? Although I'm not sure what point is trying to be made, as nobody on the forum had any control over who JB signed. Let's play with a couple of numbers then if it's hard for you to pick up. Would £2k a week be a reasonable guesstimate for Rossiter's wage? 8k a month since he signed. Let's say August 2022. So thats 14 months = circa £112k excluding NI, holiday pay and whatever else. Quarters has told us he has played 14 games since he has been here. That's £8,000 a game. Good investment? Made up numbers I know, but how much have we spent on wages for players who are unable to play so often? Don’t forget the rumoured 100k fee paid for him at the time of his signing (obviously this could be wrong) |
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Post by kruger on Nov 11, 2023 8:53:29 GMT
what about these players, are these also disastrous? Thomas Collins Taylor Belshaw Grant Hunt Evans Anderson Sinclair Vale Crama McCormick ? Could also mention Javani Brown but that could fuel the fire so I'll leave him out How much has Rossiter cost us in pay, NI, holiday pay, divided by the number of games played? Go on... I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying (for a change) what I am saying is you said 'yet another one of Bartons disasters' or something like that, well apart from Rossiter I think out of that list those players are very good signings that Barton made. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 9:17:52 GMT
Kruger for me, a loss making club, I think signings have to be judged on resale values as well, it’s how Exeter survive and how they are basically punching in our championship.
Not all players can have resale values and all sides need a Wilson (McCrystal, Mansell, Monkhouse) but you do need to sign some for the future, even Trolls did this with Lambert, Hoskins etc.
If the Rovers had their house in order under DC, we’d have got big fees for Taylor, Locks and Bodin but we still got £600k plus add ons for Matty and Billy who were both frees.
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 11, 2023 9:43:28 GMT
Kruger for me, a loss making club, I think signings have to be judged on resale values as well, it’s how Exeter survive and how they are basically punching in our championship. Not all players can have resale values and all sides need a Wilson (McCrystal, Mansell, Monkhouse) but you do need to sign some for the future, even Trolls did this with Lambert, Hoskins etc. If the Rovers had their house in order under DC, we’d have got big fees for Taylor, Locks and Bodin but we still got £600k plus add ons for Matty and Billy who were both frees. Aaron Collins, Anthony Evans, Luke Thomas to name 3, I would suggest all have sell on value. They also were free's. Connor Taylor I would hope will have sell on value in the future too. Do you not think so? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 9:58:43 GMT
Kruger for me, a loss making club, I think signings have to be judged on resale values as well, it’s how Exeter survive and how they are basically punching in our championship. Not all players can have resale values and all sides need a Wilson (McCrystal, Mansell, Monkhouse) but you do need to sign some for the future, even Trolls did this with Lambert, Hoskins etc. If the Rovers had their house in order under DC, we’d have got big fees for Taylor, Locks and Bodin but we still got £600k plus add ons for Matty and Billy who were both frees. Aaron Collins, Anthony Evans, Luke Thomas to name 3, I would suggest all have sell on value. They also were free's. Connor Taylor I would hope will have sell on value in the future too. Do you not think so? I think the only one there who could have a real big sell on value will be Taylor. Collins won’t make it as a champ player, Evans also lots to still prove at this level. Thomas i don’t think wants it enough, happy to be local here and I don’t think he’ll be in the pro game much past 30. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 11, 2023 10:26:33 GMT
Aaron Collins, Anthony Evans, Luke Thomas to name 3, I would suggest all have sell on value. They also were free's. Connor Taylor I would hope will have sell on value in the future too. Do you not think so? I think the only one there who could have a real big sell on value will be Taylor. Collins won’t make it as a champ player, Evans also lots to still prove at this level. Thomas i don’t think wants it enough, happy to be local here and I don’t think he’ll be in the pro game much past 30. Whether you personally think they'll make genuine Championship players is another debate. Will Hoskins, Matty Taylor, Billy Bodin and Ellis Harrison didn't prove themselves to be good enough for that level either for various reasons. Didn't stop Championship clubs from buying them, though. Imo Aaron Collins is a better all round technical Footballer than Matty Taylor, certainly far better than Ellis Harrison, and I would also say arguably better at this level than Billy Bodin was, he has been voted Player Of The Season at this level don't forget. All about opinions I suppose. All those players are looked at in hindsight in regards to their sell on values. In a couple of years we can look again in hindsight at Whether Collins, Evans, Thomas and Taylor had good sell on values. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 10:42:13 GMT
Kruger for me, a loss making club, I think signings have to be judged on resale values as well, it’s how Exeter survive and how they are basically punching in our championship. Not all players can have resale values and all sides need a Wilson (McCrystal, Mansell, Monkhouse) but you do need to sign some for the future, even Trolls did this with Lambert, Hoskins etc. If the Rovers had their house in order under DC, we’d have got big fees for Taylor, Locks and Bodin but we still got £600k plus add ons for Matty and Billy who were both frees. Aaron Collins, Anthony Evans, Luke Thomas to name 3, I would suggest all have sell on value. They also were free's. Connor Taylor I would hope will have sell on value in the future too. Do you not think so? Gastafari, first up, truce on yesterday, I enjoy the debate with you, let’s talk mate! Collins has a 💯 resale value if he can get back to where he was, right now you’d be looking at something like £250k and that’s if we want to sell. Evans for me is the classic leave on a free transfer, he’s not getting into a top 6 side in my opinion, we might get £100k off Tranmere. Thomas, so much to prove in terms of fitness, he needs a stand out period, he’s not consistent enough for me like Evans. I think most Div1 sides have players like the above, inconsistent but gifted, this is normal for all sides. I look at Evans, I’d have preferred Disley over him who had no resale value. Collins is miles off Hoskins, but he could perhaps be a Bodin resale. Is Thomas really much better than Sammy Igoe who had a proper career? Our one big asset in my opinion is Connor Taylor but then we are going to have to get £300k I guess to break even on him. If he can mature, I do agree he could go for £1 million as Oxford got for Rob Dickie but we won’t get this kind of fee for a minimum 18 months and now he needs to prove himself |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 11, 2023 10:44:48 GMT
On the side order of Roadman/Stafari, I quite like both of their contributions. Maybe it's just me, Scouse and c made me laugh, however serious it was meant to be. And Roadman sings from the heart which is sometimes a welcome contribution.
The main course of Rossiter.... we've always had a history of signing crocks, what I mean by that is: injury prone (like most clubs) so the way I see it is, you have to manage it. Box clever. Jamie Shore the best example of this.
No doubt for me when we lost Rossiter, our form wanted, so did Finley directly, and our aspirations of finishing in top half went with it.
Box clever on this one.
Pick and choose his inclusion and team with him.
If you're playing him in the Boycott Cup that means f all with more watching at Reading away, than home, expect issues.
If he has to get injured again, make the most of it in a match that means something otherwise the whole thing is a waste of time..
Now....as you were, back to the popcorn throwing....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 10:48:15 GMT
I will add, I do think someone like Monk could take the bare bones of Luca Hoole and turn him into a Welsh International and a resale value.
I’m back to bashing but I am not, so many like Hoole, Collins, Thomas (hammered) have had their confidence rocked or gone backwards.
Interesting to see Preston last night score the last minute winner, proper scenes and Ched Evans part of the celebrations, you know what I am saying!
To offer balance here, sweeping statements like no resale value should be judged on a new man coming in, Trollope helped tranform Agogo where as Atkins killed him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 10:50:46 GMT
On the side order of Roadman/Stafari, I quite like both of their contributions. Maybe it's just me, Scouse and c made me laugh, however serious it was meant to be. And Roadman sings from the heart which is sometimes a welcome contribution. The main course of Rossiter.... we've always had a history of signing crocks, what I mean by that is: injury prone (like most clubs) so the way I see it is, you have to manage it. Box clever. Jamie Shore the best example of this. No doubt for me when we lost Rossiter, our form wanted, so did Finley directly, and our aspirations of finishing in top half went with it. Box clever on this one. Pick and choose his inclusion and team with him. If you're playing him in the Boycott Cup that means f all with more watching at Reading away, than home, expect issues. If he has to get injured again, make the most of it in a match that means something otherwise the whole thing is a waste of time.. Now....as you were, back to the popcorn throwing.... I really appreciate your post and thanks for saying this, I’m not always right, I haven’t been personal, and it’s nice to know you think I don’t ruin every thread. Re Shore, taken on a short term gamble, coming back to Bristol and well worth it. I believe we paid for Rossiter, and also given a 2 year deal, extremes here hey 🤷🏼♂️ |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 11, 2023 10:57:46 GMT
On the side order of Roadman/Stafari, I quite like both of their contributions. Maybe it's just me, Scouse and c made me laugh, however serious it was meant to be. And Roadman sings from the heart which is sometimes a welcome contribution. The main course of Rossiter.... we've always had a history of signing crocks, what I mean by that is: injury prone (like most clubs) so the way I see it is, you have to manage it. Box clever. Jamie Shore the best example of this. No doubt for me when we lost Rossiter, our form wanted, so did Finley directly, and our aspirations of finishing in top half went with it. Box clever on this one. Pick and choose his inclusion and team with him. If you're playing him in the Boycott Cup that means f all with more watching at Reading away, than home, expect issues. If he has to get injured again, make the most of it in a match that means something otherwise the whole thing is a waste of time.. Now....as you were, back to the popcorn throwing.... I really appreciate your post and thanks for saying this, I’m not always right, I haven’t been personal, and it’s nice to know you think I don’t ruin every thread. Re Shore, taken on a short term gamble, coming back to Bristol and well worth it. I believe we paid for Rossiter, and also given a 2 year deal, extremes here hey 🤷🏼♂️ ....well, yea point taken but for all we know Rossiter might give us 6 months of ever-present scintillation. ? For me, freedom of speech Trumps everything. If folk don't like it, block. Simples. As long as you're not advocating violence, post what you like so I guess I'd make a cr@p mod.... When I first re joined this site after the debacle of relegation, my very first post was along the lines of you're all my brothers and sisters, mum's and dads so I know there's no perfect family out there but surely we all want the same thing so hey let's listen respect and play nicely. We're not all the same. |
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Post by Quarters on Nov 11, 2023 11:10:16 GMT
Interesting debates.
Taylor age 22. Loved by fans because he old fashioned center half who wants to win the ball.
Quansah age 20. Dismissed by many last season.
The latter playing prem and champions league this season.
At this level would suggest Taylor better option, above that Quansah.
Will Taylor develop into a €500k+ player?
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Post by Quarters on Nov 11, 2023 11:15:32 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. Out of interest, how many games has Rossiter actually played for us within the context of his length of contract with us? It feels like another financially disastrous signing by Barton. what about these players, are these also disastrous? Thomas Collins Taylor Belshaw Grant Hunt Evans Anderson Sinclair Vale Crama McCormick ? Could also mention Javani Brown but that could fuel the fire so I'll leave him out Do not count loans as "our players" for this.
Grant - not a Barton signing. McCormick has started 11 league games since being a permie. Hunt looks good but only started 7 games so hard to say he is a success. Belshaw was a success, is he now?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 11, 2023 11:26:40 GMT
To answer Oldie Rossiter has started 14 league games. Thank you. A factual response. He signed in the summer of 2022, is that right? Yes, it seems an age ago that we watched him make his debut. A shame for him that what could have been a good career has been blighted by injuries. |
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