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Post by kruger on Dec 30, 2023 17:17:08 GMT
Anyone know when they're hoping to start the Esst stand?
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Post by singupgas on Dec 30, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
Darn it, you’ve forced me to leak images of my extended East stand, which has seating on the current terrace before it’s finished!  Nice work. I reckon we could probably do away with the metal steps leading up to the existing seats if we can punch some holes from the current hospitality areas underneath, that would enable the seating you added to the terrace area to be a bit steeper and right up to the existing seats without too much ugly wall being visible. I’d like a large open concourse at first floor level in the East Stand with bars and food concessions. Hopefully a complete demolition and rebuild of the north will allow more formal dining and hospitality options? I agree. I think the metal steps need to go and openings made from what is the Hospitality area. They block view of the pitch for one. But also the space could be used for more seating if seats were to be installed on the terrace. The dug outs would also need to be lowered to prevent views from terrace seating being restricted. I see no reasons why the stand couldn't be made deeper as well, put a new face on it to change the entire aesthetics of the stand so it doesn't look so dated. Plenty space and think the car park should be saved for the elderly and disabled. There a number of possibilities, I guess it come down to how imaginative they are and how much money they are wanting to spend. But if they spend peanuts it is going to be very average and not awful lot better. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 30, 2023 17:32:29 GMT
The East stand with ends on it would be no good. If it is just continuing the current design. Only way I can see it working, if the east stand structure remains... The steps leading up to seating area block the view of anyone in the first few rows, I sit 6 rows back and can't always see the pitch. These surely would need to be removed if ends are installed. Complete renovation of the space under the stand required and have openings from within out to the seating. Get rid of hospitality and create a big concourse with food and drinks bars. Of course with the added ends there will also be additional space on the ground, for a shop and hospitality facilities. And as some have suggested maybe seating could be worked into the terrace... Though it would leave people quite exposed to the elements. If done I would like the seating on the terrace join with the uppers seats so there isn't a big gap between upper and lower, suppose that could be achieved if the steps are removed. This is the reason why I'd assume putting a North Stand on the ground first would be the best option. Losing all the hospitality would cost the club a fair amount with nowhere to currently move any hospitality to another part of the ground. However building a new Kop style North terrace could be built with some conferencing facility which could buddy up as a temporary hospitality suite whilst the East is being developed. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2023 18:18:27 GMT
Darn it, you’ve forced me to leak images of my extended East stand, which has seating on the current terrace before it’s finished! This is more like it Gassy and sort of how I imagine it’ll look. Good effort . But you still need to get out more mate 😉 Edit , isn’t the gap in the south stand end left there so it can somehow join up with the east stand ? |
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Post by madgas on Dec 30, 2023 18:22:45 GMT
Give them new bogs but leave the away terrace as it is.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 30, 2023 23:07:01 GMT
Thanks for the feedback so far on the design, I agree with most comments. A few considerations while I was doing it: - I was trying to imagine whats the most realistic/cheapest way of the club actually extending the stand. My thoughts are that just extending the stand and keeping the stairs there is most realistic of what may happen. With the stairs being on the outside, we could still have a huge long bar/restaurant facilities. Tbh, I actually think we'll put up some Frankenstein/Carlisle type side stands. But I do agree though, its the best solution to have steps coming from within the stand. - On the lower terrace/seats. I agree, raising them is the right thing to do. The view would be terrible. However, a few considerations further on that: 1. The west terrace is lower than the pitch, if you're near the front there the view is terrible. 2. Again funds, would the club do this? The might actually, it can't be that much work would it? 3. Tbh, I wouldn't put seats there at all, it lowers the attendance too much. The seating is only about 1k there - how much of a drop is that vs standing? Personally, I'd rather we put in safe standing like this:  singupgas - when you say the stand could be made deeper, you mean extend it backwards? Absolutely I agree, but again problem is that means dismantling the current setup I'd assume? Like eric pointed out, I think if we're going to do any stand up - it's going to be the North. Which is where I'm going to try bring out my creative juices  |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 31, 2023 10:04:00 GMT
My first thought is are we ever really going to move from the Mem. I don't think so.
So for me the job that is done on the East stand needs to be very good.
I think the club should consider removing the steps and putting entrance/exits within the stand. Convert the inner part of the stand to be one big concourse. Of course would be even longer with the ends added on.
The terrace should be seated aswell. I'm terms of view, the dug outs would need to be lowered which isn't uncommon at all. The current chunky barrier between terrace and pitch removed and have the electric advertising boards which are much smaller in their place.
Build back deeper towards the car park as well to chage the look of the exterior facing the car park. Big glass opening into the concourse, with food, drink etc inside and this is where you would enter the stand.
On the north corner that is where I would put a new club shop as it would make the most sense to locate it near the entrance of the site.
Again I don't see the club ever moving away from the Mem now. The UWE the deal wasn't right and FM the deal wasn't right, we simply don't have the cash it would seem to buy a plot of land and build a brand new stadium. That is not going to change unless we are sold again to someone with deeper pockets.
My hope is the club does something that is impressive within the art of the possible, which is quite a lot if the club have the ambition and imagination.
UTG
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Post by supergas on Dec 31, 2023 10:28:20 GMT
My first thought is are we ever really going to move from the Mem. I don't think so. So for me the job that is done on the East stand needs to be very good. I think the club should consider removing the steps and putting entrance/exits within the stand. Convert the inner part of the stand to be one big concourse. Of course would be even longer with the ends added on. The terrace should be seated aswell. I'm terms of view, the dug outs would need to be lowered which isn't uncommon at all. The current chunky barrier between terrace and pitch removed and have the electric advertising boards which are much smaller in their place. Build back deeper towards the car park as well to chage the look of the exterior facing the car park. Big glass opening into the concourse, with food, drink etc inside and this is where you would enter the that stand from. On the north corner that is where I would put a new club shop as it would make the most sense to locate it near the entrance of the site. Again I don't see the club ever moving away from the Mem now. The UWE the deal wasn't right and FM the deal wasn't right, we simply don't have the cash it would seem to buy a plot of land and build a brand new stadium. That is not going to change unless we are sold again to someone with deeper pockets. My hope is the club does something that is impressive within the art of the possible, which is quite a lot if the club have the ambition and imagination. UTG If the East side is going to be anywhere near decent then as a minimum the current seating needs to be knocked down and completely rebuilt. Anything using the existing structure will be sub-par... |
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Post by gasify on Dec 31, 2023 10:39:12 GMT
My first thought is are we ever really going to move from the Mem. I don't think so. So for me the job that is done on the East stand needs to be very good. I think the club should consider removing the steps and putting entrance/exits within the stand. Convert the inner part of the stand to be one big concourse. Of course would be even longer with the ends added on. The terrace should be seated aswell. I'm terms of view, the dug outs would need to be lowered which isn't uncommon at all. The current chunky barrier between terrace and pitch removed and have the electric advertising boards which are much smaller in their place. Build back deeper towards the car park as well to chage the look of the exterior facing the car park. Big glass opening into the concourse, with food, drink etc inside and this is where you would enter the stand. On the north corner that is where I would put a new club shop as it would make the most sense to locate it near the entrance of the site. Again I don't see the club ever moving away from the Mem now. The UWE the deal wasn't right and FM the deal wasn't right, we simply don't have the cash it would seem to buy a plot of land and build a brand new stadium. That is not going to change unless we are sold again to someone with deeper pockets. My hope is the club does something that is impressive within the art of the possible, which is quite a lot if the club have the ambition and imagination. UTG We've pivoted our strategy. Now the plan is to create a sustainable club in the Championship with a 17-18k crowd capacity. We can then really annoy the residents of Horfield. Then we can get them to petition the council to give us land to build a new stadium. I think this is a good strategy. |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 31, 2023 10:39:26 GMT
My first thought is are we ever really going to move from the Mem. I don't think so. So for me the job that is done on the East stand needs to be very good. I think the club should consider removing the steps and putting entrance/exits within the stand. Convert the inner part of the stand to be one big concourse. Of course would be even longer with the ends added on. The terrace should be seated aswell. I'm terms of view, the dug outs would need to be lowered which isn't uncommon at all. The current chunky barrier between terrace and pitch removed and have the electric advertising boards which are much smaller in their place. Build back deeper towards the car park as well to chage the look of the exterior facing the car park. Big glass opening into the concourse, with food, drink etc inside and this is where you would enter the that stand from. On the north corner that is where I would put a new club shop as it would make the most sense to locate it near the entrance of the site. Again I don't see the club ever moving away from the Mem now. The UWE the deal wasn't right and FM the deal wasn't right, we simply don't have the cash it would seem to buy a plot of land and build a brand new stadium. That is not going to change unless we are sold again to someone with deeper pockets. My hope is the club does something that is impressive within the art of the possible, which is quite a lot if the club have the ambition and imagination. UTG If the East side is going to be anywhere near decent then as a minimum the current seating needs to be knocked down and completely rebuilt. Anything using the existing structure will be sub-par... Absolutely, i would rather see it all knocked down, terrace as well, levelled to the pitch. But I can't see that happening. However I do something clever and ambitious with the current stand could be achieved. But will need lots of work. |
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Post by justin blue on Dec 31, 2023 10:42:48 GMT
My first thought is are we ever really going to move from the Mem. I don't think so. So for me the job that is done on the East stand needs to be very good. I think the club should consider removing the steps and putting entrance/exits within the stand. Convert the inner part of the stand to be one big concourse. Of course would be even longer with the ends added on. The terrace should be seated aswell. I'm terms of view, the dug outs would need to be lowered which isn't uncommon at all. The current chunky barrier between terrace and pitch removed and have the electric advertising boards which are much smaller in their place. Build back deeper towards the car park as well to chage the look of the exterior facing the car park. Big glass opening into the concourse, with food, drink etc inside and this is where you would enter the stand. On the north corner that is where I would put a new club shop as it would make the most sense to locate it near the entrance of the site. Again I don't see the club ever moving away from the Mem now. The UWE the deal wasn't right and FM the deal wasn't right, we simply don't have the cash it would seem to buy a plot of land and build a brand new stadium. That is not going to change unless we are sold again to someone with deeper pockets. My hope is the club does something that is impressive within the art of the possible, which is quite a lot if the club have the ambition and imagination. UTG I don’t think we can ever say never regards a new stadium. Owners come and owners go and the next ones may have a different vision for the future. However I agree we should make the best possible job of what we have until such time. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 31, 2023 10:46:06 GMT
If the East side is going to be anywhere near decent then as a minimum the current seating needs to be knocked down and completely rebuilt. Anything using the existing structure will be sub-par... Absolutely, i would rather see it all knocked down, terrace as well, levelled to the pitch. But I can't see that happening. However I do something clever and ambitious with the current stand could be achieved. But will need lots of work.I'm a stadium geek. I've watched (via various online forums) hundreds of stands/grounds around the world being developed/rebuilt. I can't think of a decent rebuild (using an existing structure) on the scale we need. I can think of a few rebuilds that have had massive cost increases/time delays trying to adapt an existing structure. The moral of the story is knock it down and start again. *Nearly always* that is the best option in the medium-long term, and always gets bums-on-seats quicker.... |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 31, 2023 10:53:49 GMT
Absolutely, i would rather see it all knocked down, terrace as well, levelled to the pitch. But I can't see that happening. However I do something clever and ambitious with the current stand could be achieved. But will need lots of work.I'm a stadium geek. I've watched (via various online forums) hundreds of stands/grounds around the world being developed/rebuilt. I can't think of a decent rebuild (using an existing structure) on the scale we need. I can think of a few rebuilds that have had massive cost increases/time delays trying to adapt an existing structure. The moral of the story is knock it down and start again. *Nearly always* that is the best option in the medium-long term, and always gets bums-on-seats quicker.... Supergas I agree. I was not long ago told by some to be realistic though. I would love to see the club to build something brand new that is really good, not just a minimalistic basic approach but it to be really shiny and be really quite impressive, fine details. But I guess, and it really is a guess, that an impressive modern stand would cost anywhere upwards of 20 million. I don't think the owners are willing to spend 20 million plus per side of the ground. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Dec 31, 2023 11:06:48 GMT
A point not mentioned is that a complete rebuild of the East Side would reduce maintainance costs.
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Post by percy on Dec 31, 2023 11:12:08 GMT
Unless investigations have shown it’s too difficult/expensive then they have already stated it will be additions to the existing structure, irrespective of our grand ideas on here.
If a knockdown and rebuild is the only way, we have to do Thatchers first to limit losses on lack of amenities.
I’m still looking forward to a full South Stand!
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Dec 31, 2023 11:29:42 GMT
The East Stand development is so important. The design needs some thought for future proofing.
I'm really hoping the terrace is taken out & the pitch is moved sideways the depth of the terrace & the "new east stand" starts from that point. This way we would have the space to develop the west stand in the future. Tomorrow we go to Wycombe their main stand holds 4990. This is made up of Upper Tier 2840, Lower Tier 1740, 20 hospitality boxes & a Corporate lounges. This would ideal for "the new West Stand" in the distant future.
As for the "New East Stand" my hope is 7k to 8K capacity two tier with proper spectator & hospitality facilities with a Wrap round to the North Stand.
The Sensible (approx) dream capacity:
New South / Southwest Stand - 3,412
New East Stand - 7,500
New North Terrace 4,500
Existing Family/ East 3000
(NEW East as per Wycombe 5000)
Target Capacity: 18.5K with an option to extend to about 21k (if needed).
If you built a new east stand behind the east terrace in the carpark you could use the terrace the entire time of the build & could take it our after the build was complete then move the pitch across.
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Post by playtowin on Dec 31, 2023 11:37:03 GMT
The East Stand development is so important. The design needs some thought for future proofing. I'm really hoping the terrace is taken out & the pitch is moved sideways the depth of the terrace & the "new east stand" starts from that point. This way we would have the space to develop the west stand in the future. Tomorrow we go to Wycombe their main stand holds 4990. This is made up of Upper Tier 2840, Lower Tier 1740, 20 hospitality boxes & a Corporate lounges. This would ideal for "the new West Stand" in the distant future. As for the "New East Stand" my hope is 7k to 8K capacity two tier with proper spectator & hospitality facilities with a Wrap round to the North Stand. The Sensible (approx) dream capacity: New South / Southwest Stand - 3,412 New East Stand - 7,500 New North Terrace 4,500 Existing Family/ East 3000 (NEW East as per Wycombe 5000) Target Capacity: 18.5K with an option to extend to about 21k (if needed). If you built a new east stand behind the east terrace in the carpark you could use the terrace the entire time of the build & could take it our after the build was complete then move the pitch across. Plus move the floodlights |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 31, 2023 15:36:47 GMT
The East Stand development is so important. The design needs some thought for future proofing. I'm really hoping the terrace is taken out & the pitch is moved sideways the depth of the terrace & the "new east stand" starts from that point. This way we would have the space to develop the west stand in the future. Tomorrow we go to Wycombe their main stand holds 4990. This is made up of Upper Tier 2840, Lower Tier 1740, 20 hospitality boxes & a Corporate lounges. This would ideal for "the new West Stand" in the distant future. As for the "New East Stand" my hope is 7k to 8K capacity two tier with proper spectator & hospitality facilities with a Wrap round to the North Stand. The Sensible (approx) dream capacity: New South / Southwest Stand - 3,412 New East Stand - 7,500 New North Terrace 4,500 Existing Family/ East 3000 (NEW East as per Wycombe 5000) Target Capacity: 18.5K with an option to extend to about 21k (if needed). If you built a new east stand behind the east terrace in the carpark you could use the terrace the entire time of the build & could take it our after the build was complete then move the pitch across. Reallstically, I don’t see how the East stand could take 7.5k without either being knocked down or extender higher - neither of which will happen IMO. The current east stand holds 1,000. If you extend it to look in uniform the max you’re getting is 3k. If you Frankenstein it like Carlisle and have different gradients/spacing of seating then you could squeeze in more, but it’ll look ugly. Then there’s the lower east terrace, it has to remain terracing otherwise you’re dropping another 1-2k off the current capacity. In the redesign I did, that stand only holds 4k. IIRC the new owners said 18k would be ideal, but realistically 15k? If they’re going to do this on the cheap then just extending the East stand would take us to 14k. Put a bigger version of the South stand at the north and you’re already at 15/16k. All depends what their plans/ambitions are really. It this a temporary solution or a permanent home? No one’s going to build a £10m north stand with all the facilities if we’re not aiming to stay for the next 10-20 years, I’d imagine |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 31, 2023 15:47:01 GMT
The East Stand development is so important. The design needs some thought for future proofing. I'm really hoping the terrace is taken out & the pitch is moved sideways the depth of the terrace & the "new east stand" starts from that point. This way we would have the space to develop the west stand in the future. Tomorrow we go to Wycombe their main stand holds 4990. This is made up of Upper Tier 2840, Lower Tier 1740, 20 hospitality boxes & a Corporate lounges. This would ideal for "the new West Stand" in the distant future. As for the "New East Stand" my hope is 7k to 8K capacity two tier with proper spectator & hospitality facilities with a Wrap round to the North Stand. The Sensible (approx) dream capacity: New South / Southwest Stand - 3,412 New East Stand - 7,500 New North Terrace 4,500 Existing Family/ East 3000 (NEW East as per Wycombe 5000) Target Capacity: 18.5K with an option to extend to about 21k (if needed). If you built a new east stand behind the east terrace in the carpark you could use the terrace the entire time of the build & could take it our after the build was complete then move the pitch across. Reallstically, I don’t see how the East stand could take 7.5k without either being knocked down or extender higher - neither of which will happen IMO. The current east stand holds 1,000. If you extend it to look in uniform the max you’re getting is 3k. If you Frankenstein it like Carlisle and have different gradients/spacing of seating then you could squeeze in more, but it’ll look ugly. Then there’s the lower east terrace, it has to remain terracing otherwise you’re dropping another 1-2k off the current capacity. In the redesign I did, that stand only holds 4k. IIRC the new owners said 18k would be ideal, but realistically 15k? If they’re going to do this on the cheap then just extending the East stand would take us to 14k. Put a bigger version of the South stand at the north and you’re already at 15/16k. All depends what their plans/ambitions are really. It this a temporary solution or a permanent home? No one’s going to build a £10m north stand with all the facilities if we’re not aiming to stay for the next 10-20 years, I’d imagine I agree with your figures in terms of what an extended stand would hold, I did a back of the envelope calculation on here a while ago. It was 16-17 iirc. If the West stand and South stand hold c 2,500 and 3,500 respectively, the revamped East and North would hold a combined 10,000 ish. Could be a 4&6 or 5&5 split, or a variation of. |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Jan 1, 2024 0:18:02 GMT
Reallstically, I don’t see how the East stand could take 7.5k without either being knocked down or extender higher - neither of which will happen IMO. The current east stand holds 1,000. If you extend it to look in uniform the max you’re getting is 3k. If you Frankenstein it like Carlisle and have different gradients/spacing of seating then you could squeeze in more, but it’ll look ugly. Then there’s the lower east terrace, it has to remain terracing otherwise you’re dropping another 1-2k off the current capacity. In the redesign I did, that stand only holds 4k. IIRC the new owners said 18k would be ideal, but realistically 15k? If they’re going to do this on the cheap then just extending the East stand would take us to 14k. Put a bigger version of the South stand at the north and you’re already at 15/16k. All depends what their plans/ambitions are really. It this a temporary solution or a permanent home? No one’s going to build a £10m north stand with all the facilities if we’re not aiming to stay for the next 10-20 years, I’d imagine I agree with your figures in terms of what an extended stand would hold, I did a back of the envelope calculation on here a while ago. It was 16-17 iirc. If the West stand and South stand hold c 2,500 and 3,500 respectively, the revamped East and North would hold a combined 10,000 ish. Could be a 4&6 or 5&5 split, or a variation of.Lets work on the Low side.... Even if you built exactly the same as the new south stand the full length of the east side of the pitch you would get to 7K.  Say 4K North. 3.5 South, Existing West 2.5K Total = 17K |
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Say 4K North. 3.5 South, Existing West 2.5K