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Post by bravosierraseven on Jan 4, 2024 11:51:52 GMT
I think more pointedly, both were typically old school East German stadiums. The reason I showed them is for me they're of the capacity we should be looking at, increased the capacity for both clubs while reducing the foot print of the stadium. Neither club is wealthy or has backers (both are membership owned). Stepped redevelopments are completely possible with genuine planning and understanding of the challenges that could be faced. Oh, and personally, I would put a vast quantity of the budget into a complete rebuild of the East Stand, include boxes, offices, gyms, shops, changing rooms, the lot ready to knock down the West Stand. The North Terrace would be the last thing I'd bother with. Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. |
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Post by ifollowgas on Jan 4, 2024 12:39:24 GMT
I think more pointedly, both were typically old school East German stadiums. The reason I showed them is for me they're of the capacity we should be looking at, increased the capacity for both clubs while reducing the foot print of the stadium. Neither club is wealthy or has backers (both are membership owned). Stepped redevelopments are completely possible with genuine planning and understanding of the challenges that could be faced. Oh, and personally, I would put a vast quantity of the budget into a complete rebuild of the East Stand, include boxes, offices, gyms, shops, changing rooms, the lot ready to knock down the West Stand. The North Terrace would be the last thing I'd bother with. Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. Agree. Nowadays a club's image and status potential is defined by it's stadium and fan's facilities. BRFC needs an image uplift probably more than any other EFL club. Build a brand new impressive East Stand that will look great on TV and a new generation of fans will want to go there. Businesses will want to sponsor, advertise and be associated with the club. Bodge extensions to the current 'Chernobyl' monstrosity and the image will remain as it is, good players will be reluctant to sign, young football fans will prefer to go to Ashton Gate. Improvements to the rest of the ground will naturally follow as the club's stature develops. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 4, 2024 12:55:17 GMT
Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. Agree. Nowadays a club's image and status potential is defined by it's stadium and fan's facilities. BRFC needs an image uplift probably more than any other EFL club.Build a brand new impressive East Stand that will look great on TV and a new generation of fans will want to go there. Businesses will want to sponsor, advertise and be associated with the club. Bodge extensions to the current 'Chernobyl' monstrosity and the image will remain as it is, good players will be reluctant to sign, young football fans will prefer to go to Ashton Gate. Improvements to the rest of the ground will naturally follow as the club's stature develops. Of course we need stuff doing to the ground, and have done for some time. But…… Dont be so dramatic! ‘More than any other league club.’ Really that is plain daft. There are plenty of other clubs below us in many, many ways. Not least football-wise. When it comes to grounds I can think of many which are pretty poor and certainly worse than ours. Our problem has been over the past 7 years since the AQs is that they spun a yarn that finances weren’t a problem to getting a new ground when in reality money is always an issue and certainly was. There’s always been a slight ambiguity to the new ground. Many of us wanting to stay and develop the Mem, Wael wanting something shiny new, saying consistently that developing the Mem wasn’t going to happen. And then he started to develop the South Stand last year and it looked more desperate than a well-thought out plan. But give Wael credit for that although it was completely against what he’d been doing for 7 years. This uncertainty meant that some improvements like the need to sort out the toilets have been forgotten and fans facilities aren’t as good as they should have been with some maintenance plan going on. Some things have been done but I think the uncertainty has meant the last 7 years ground-wise has been wasted. But as for ‘an image uplift more than any other EFL club….’ 🤔 The new owners, and I’m just going on what they’ve said, appear to have a simple plan, continue to develop the Mem, stand by stand. Good. Might not be everyone’s favourite but at least we have a plan to move forward with. For clarity I hope they can work out a new East Stand and keep the best things about it as well. Best view from that stand of many, many grounds I’ve been to, so not all bad. Well done the ASs. UTG! |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 4, 2024 13:23:57 GMT
I think more pointedly, both were typically old school East German stadiums. The reason I showed them is for me they're of the capacity we should be looking at, increased the capacity for both clubs while reducing the foot print of the stadium. Neither club is wealthy or has backers (both are membership owned). Stepped redevelopments are completely possible with genuine planning and understanding of the challenges that could be faced. Oh, and personally, I would put a vast quantity of the budget into a complete rebuild of the East Stand, include boxes, offices, gyms, shops, changing rooms, the lot ready to knock down the West Stand. The North Terrace would be the last thing I'd bother with. Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere. Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. |
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Post by bravosierraseven on Jan 4, 2024 14:45:39 GMT
Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere.
Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. Was this what they said? If so I missed that bit. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 4, 2024 14:53:15 GMT
We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere.
Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. Was this what they said? If so I missed that bit. It was something along those lines |
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Post by bravosierraseven on Jan 4, 2024 15:20:24 GMT
Was this what they said? If so I missed that bit. It was something along those lines Fair enough, I didn't pick up on that. However, I still think we should do the best we can with the East stand as it will be worthwhile because we could be at least 10 years away from moving if there is nothing in the pipeline. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 4, 2024 15:37:34 GMT
It was something along those lines Fair enough, I didn't pick up on that. However, I still think we should do the best we can with the East stand as it will be worthwhile because we could be at least 10 years away from moving if there is nothing in the pipeline. Yep totally agree 👍 |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 4, 2024 16:12:44 GMT
I would like us to potentially go for something similar to St Pauli's Haupttribune. The Main Stand includes boxes, The Ballsaal (a large area for Conferences, Dinners, Trade Fairs etc), Changing Rooms (built into the corner with the Sudcurve), Media Centres, a daycare centre, 36 corporate boxes and has a seated capacity of c6,500. The stand has a depth of roughly 22m which, is pretty much the same of the current East Stand and terrace (including the flat area at the top of the terracing). It's height would also be similar to the current East Stand. This would pretty much fulfil all Rovers needs from a stand with regard to spaces and facilities to be used by the club on non-matchdays as well.  |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 4, 2024 16:22:13 GMT
It was something along those lines Fair enough, I didn't pick up on that. However, I still think we should do the best we can with the East stand as it will be worthwhile because we could be at least 10 years away from moving if there is nothing in the pipeline. This is why, IMO, we won't get a purpose built North stand or anything, but just another larger version of the south stand in its place |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2024 19:53:56 GMT
Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere. Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. How do you know they are looking elsewhere? I very much doubt land will suddenly become available which is not already available. The owners are now doing the sensible thing and developing the Mem, whether we'll ever see anything better in the next couple of decades is unlikely, unless we somehow manage to do a Luton and get to the Premiership. |
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Post by gaelgas on Jan 4, 2024 21:54:39 GMT
Absolutely agree. No point in tinkering with the East stand with bolt-ons now that we are staying, it is the part of the ground with the biggest potential and we must maximise that. We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere. Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. I disagree, the Mem has a larger footprint than quite a few grounds, re-orientation of the pitch would enable a decent capacity. A development like Easter Road would fit comfortably, it is surrounded by housing too, it has a capacity of over 20,000 with the ability to raise that to 27,000 if they filled the corners in. |
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Post by singupgas on Jan 5, 2024 9:16:59 GMT
If the owner wants to take us to the Premiership then serious work on East stand has to be done.
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Post by playtowin on Jan 5, 2024 13:50:51 GMT
We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere. Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. How do you know they are looking elsewhere? I very much doubt land will suddenly become available which is not already available. The owners are now doing the sensible thing and developing the Mem, whether we'll ever see anything better in the next couple of decades is unlikely, unless we somehow manage to do a Luton and get to the Premiership. Land always becomes available at some point. |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 5, 2024 13:54:44 GMT
We have not been told we are staying at the Mem permanently. We have been told the Mem is home for some years to come . At any point during the Mem upgrade a new site may be found. What the current board are doing is what previous boards have failed at . Making the Mem better whilst also looking elsewhere. Rovers may only ever reach lower championship level but if in the future they were to push further then the Mem wouldnt be viable. Either a new site or the demolition of some surrounding streets to enable a bigger Mem. I disagree, the Mem has a larger footprint than quite a few grounds, re-orientation of the pitch would enable a decent capacity. A development like Easter Road would fit comfortably, it is surrounded by housing too, it has a capacity of over 20,000 with the ability to raise that to 27,000 if they filled the corners in. There is only access to the site from filton avenue. Could you imagine the chaos and queues with 27000 trying to leave at full time through those 3 exit ways onto one road. 18000 would be the maximum we could hope for on the site. |
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Post by js67 on Jan 5, 2024 13:59:23 GMT
I disagree, the Mem has a larger footprint than quite a few grounds, re-orientation of the pitch would enable a decent capacity. A development like Easter Road would fit comfortably, it is surrounded by housing too, it has a capacity of over 20,000 with the ability to raise that to 27,000 if they filled the corners in. There is only access to the site from filton avenue. Could you imagine the chaos and queues with 27000 trying to leave at full time through those 3 exit ways onto one road. 18000 would be the maximum we could hope for on the site. Brentford cope very well with a 17,000 capacity in the Premier league |
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Post by percy on Jan 5, 2024 14:01:39 GMT
I disagree, the Mem has a larger footprint than quite a few grounds, re-orientation of the pitch would enable a decent capacity. A development like Easter Road would fit comfortably, it is surrounded by housing too, it has a capacity of over 20,000 with the ability to raise that to 27,000 if they filled the corners in. There is only access to the site from filton avenue. Could you imagine the chaos and queues with 27000 trying to leave at full time through those 3 exit ways onto one road. 18000 would be the maximum we could hope for on the site. This is key (as well as transport). No point talking about the size of the plot unless we are able to do something about this. |
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Post by amgas on Jan 5, 2024 14:05:32 GMT
There could be access from Alton Road - never really understood how we gave up a historical access point so easily. When the station opens in Ashley Down would Alton Road not be a shorter walk ? Locals can't have it all ways, don't want cars but block off pedestrian access routes ... I do think there is a case for re-opening that entrance.
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Post by ricardo on Jan 5, 2024 14:42:05 GMT
There could be access from Alton Road - never really understood how we gave up a historical access point so easily. When the station opens in Ashley Down would Alton Road not be a shorter walk ? Locals can't have it all ways, don't want cars but block off pedestrian access routes ... I do think there is a case for re-opening that entrance. Ellicot road as well possibly |
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Post by gaelgas on Jan 5, 2024 17:30:10 GMT
I disagree, the Mem has a larger footprint than quite a few grounds, re-orientation of the pitch would enable a decent capacity. A development like Easter Road would fit comfortably, it is surrounded by housing too, it has a capacity of over 20,000 with the ability to raise that to 27,000 if they filled the corners in. There is only access to the site from filton avenue. Could you imagine the chaos and queues with 27000 trying to leave at full time through those 3 exit ways onto one road. 18000 would be the maximum we could hope for on the site. I'm sure with a complete rebuild including reorientation of the stadium access issues could be sorted out to be honest. |
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