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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Nov 13, 2023 23:26:17 GMT
Let us just hope that Mr A see's sense and decides to bulldoze that ghastly stand , I fear just adding to the north and south will create a Frankenstein
looking thing. But hey what do I or any of us know about architecture. By the looks of his buildings , he hasn't done a bad job.
Just think it may be a missed opp not to build something impressive from scratch.
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Post by willytopp84 on Nov 13, 2023 23:37:19 GMT
Has to be an entire redevelopment stands either side will look so sh**!
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Post by Centenary Gas on Nov 14, 2023 0:08:24 GMT
A little like Carlisle probably, but I can't imagine it matching up as well..  |
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Post by aghast on Nov 14, 2023 0:25:06 GMT
A little like Carlisle probably, but I can't imagine it matching up as well.. I think we all know that no matter how much money our owners throw at the East stand, no matter how many architects they employ, and no matter how skilled the construction team are, the new bits either side just won't quite tie up to the existing stand and will be an obvious if well intentioned bodge. Which will be sort of comforting. |
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Post by gas2 on Nov 14, 2023 7:57:10 GMT
Build a new stand behind the east stand move the pitch east towards Muller road then extend the new temp stand to join with the new east stand then rebuild the west stand and theN the north stand
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Post by baggins on Nov 14, 2023 8:23:25 GMT
Build a new stand behind the east stand move the pitch east towards Muller road then extend the new temp stand to join with the new east stand then rebuild the west stand and theN the north stand oooh oooh, can we have heated seats and a retractable roof as well? Can we? |
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 14, 2023 8:42:46 GMT
If the two new stands have the same height roof as the existing stand, their roofs if brought out to cover seating on the terrace, can be used to support a new roof section on the old east stand. Seats can then come down from the old stand to pitch side. I think someone has mentioned before - seats can’t come down to pitch side from the existing stand without moving the whole pitch westward and increasing the roof structure to cover it. Seats can come down to pitch level and a new roof section could be easily supported by the two new end sections. The new seats in front of the old stand do not have to be a continuation of the angle of the old seats but lower and the same with the two new end sections. No doubt it can be done that way, whether it will be we will have to wait and see the new plans. |
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Post by Russgas on Nov 14, 2023 8:46:40 GMT
Build a new stand behind the east stand move the pitch east towards Muller road then extend the new temp stand to join with the new east stand then rebuild the west stand and theN the north stand oooh oooh, can we have heated seats and a retractable roof as well? Can we? I don't suppose a small telly in the back of the seat in front is asking too much either is it.. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 14, 2023 8:50:02 GMT
oooh oooh, can we have heated seats and a retractable roof as well? Can we? I don't suppose a small telly in the back of the seat in front is asking too much either is it.. Now you're talking, a gentle distraction from the Hooters Girl bringing me my beer. |
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Post by Quarters on Nov 14, 2023 9:22:24 GMT
I think someone has mentioned before - seats can’t come down to pitch side from the existing stand without moving the whole pitch westward and increasing the roof structure to cover it. Seats can come down to pitch level and a new roof section could be easily supported by the two new end sections. The new seats in front of the old stand do not have to be a continuation of the angle of the old seats but lower and the same with the two new end sections. No doubt it can be done that way, whether it will be we will have to wait and see the new plans. If the roof comes further forward then doubt main flood lights that side won't work. More expense. How are you so convinced that the current roof can be extended forward, supported by new stands? Extended stands would both need things like toilets added. |
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 14, 2023 9:43:36 GMT
Seats can come down to pitch level and a new roof section could be easily supported by the two new end sections. The new seats in front of the old stand do not have to be a continuation of the angle of the old seats but lower and the same with the two new end sections. No doubt it can be done that way, whether it will be we will have to wait and see the new plans. If the roof comes further forward then doubt main flood lights that side won't work. More expense. How are you so convinced that the current roof can be extended forward, supported by new stands? Extended stands would both need things like toilets added. No need for extra toilets in the east stand, just go on the floor like most people do. You need a pair of waders going in at half time most weeks! |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 14, 2023 9:44:01 GMT
I'm sort of the opinion that owners investing in a Division one club will never see a return on their investment so I'm grateful that they are bothering to do so,when so many of there predecessors felt unable to But I was at Griffin Park when we won 6-2 in Div1, I was at the Vetch on Boxing Day in Div2 when Paul Tait scored our winner. I’ve seen us win at Millmoor, the Withdean, lose to Cardiff the last game of the season at Ninnian, the list is endless, someone has to take this club on at some point. I am not knocking you personally Trevor, read my reply above, I’m the same saying beggars and choosers. But we don’t demand more, we let the UWE go without a whimper, we are now over the moon with a south stand that could blow over?!?! These owners are having a play at it with us, I can’t get excited about bodge job stands. It is what it is, let’s hope it can propel us into the championship and someone else fancies us as a project. I don’t want to hear about land prices in Bristol, Brentford, Luton, Oxford are alll pulling it off in just as expenditure places for land I do get where you are coming from however,we have the owners we have,there are not as far as I am aware a long line of fabulously wealthy folk waiting to take us on and I am constantly astounded that relatively astute business people take on loss making enterprises like ours at all . Football is peculiar in this respect in most other business sectors year on year losses would result in liquidation etc,so yes I am always grateful that owners pump in their own money for no return ,in the cold light of day it's financial madness. As for the other clubs you mention for their success there is the other side which is financial ruin ala Bury etc. The facts are that the business model in the lower divisions is unsustainable and kept going by willing owners who put their own money in and until that changes we will constantly live hand to mouth and flirt with financial ruin Ps My name is Clive I just live in Trevor ,North Wales 😊😊 |
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Post by baggins on Nov 14, 2023 9:46:56 GMT
But I was at Griffin Park when we won 6-2 in Div1, I was at the Vetch on Boxing Day in Div2 when Paul Tait scored our winner. I’ve seen us win at Millmoor, the Withdean, lose to Cardiff the last game of the season at Ninnian, the list is endless, someone has to take this club on at some point. I am not knocking you personally Trevor, read my reply above, I’m the same saying beggars and choosers. But we don’t demand more, we let the UWE go without a whimper, we are now over the moon with a south stand that could blow over?!?! These owners are having a play at it with us, I can’t get excited about bodge job stands. It is what it is, let’s hope it can propel us into the championship and someone else fancies us as a project. I don’t want to hear about land prices in Bristol, Brentford, Luton, Oxford are alll pulling it off in just as expenditure places for land I do get where you are coming from however,we have the owners we have,there are not as far as I am aware a long line of fabulously wealthy folk waiting to take us on and I am constantly astounded that relatively astute business people take on loss making enterprises like ours at all . Football is peculiar in this respect in most other business sectors year on year losses would result in liquidation etc,so yes I am always grateful that owners pump in their own money for no return ,in the cold light of day it's financial madness. As for the other clubs you mention for their success there is the other side which is financial ruin ala Bury etc. The facts are that the business model in the lower divisions is unsustainable and kept going by willing owners who put their own money in and until that changes we will constantly live hand to mouth and flirt with financial ruin Ps My name is Clive I just live in Trevor ,North Wales 😊😊 Come on People, we gonna let that go? |
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 14, 2023 9:47:30 GMT
Seats can come down to pitch level and a new roof section could be easily supported by the two new end sections. The new seats in front of the old stand do not have to be a continuation of the angle of the old seats but lower and the same with the two new end sections. No doubt it can be done that way, whether it will be we will have to wait and see the new plans. If the roof comes further forward then doubt main flood lights that side won't work. More expense. How are you so convinced that the current roof can be extended forward, supported by new stands? Extended stands would both need things like toilets added. The old roof would not be extended. A new roof for the front section would be supported by the steelwork of the new side stands. I don’t think new toilet facilities will be a problem. Any architect will no doubt be able to overcome any problems that us gasheads come up with. Whatever happens the seats of the new sections will have to be in line with the rake of the old stand and therefore the roof/roofs can be in line at the same height. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 14, 2023 9:53:03 GMT
Can people just give up on moving the pitch as it isn’t going to happen . Would cost multiple extra millions . Let’s get real .
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 14, 2023 9:57:04 GMT
Build a new stand behind the east stand move the pitch east towards Muller road then extend the new temp stand to join with the new east stand then rebuild the west stand and theN the north stand The idea of moving the pitch eastwards or rotating the pitch is often suggested, and I can see the appeal. However, bear in mind that there is a significant amount of limestone beneath the East Terrace and the East Stand. Quarrying that out is no easy task and would either take out the whole East side capacity or need a move away from the Mem for a season. This photo shows the original limestone being excavated in 1920:
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 14, 2023 10:01:40 GMT
What happens with the east stand is somewhat dependent on what the long term aims of the club are. When the owners say their focus is now on redeveloping the mem are they saying this is an interim measure for 5-10 year and they still have the aim to move to a new stadium at some future date or are they saying this is it, The mem will be rovers home for the future and we won't ever look for a new stadium?
If it is the latter then it seems very short sighted to bolt on some sort of Frankenstein job either side of the east stand. We'll be throwing good money after bad and I still don't believe it will be any cheaper than demolition of the existing stand and new build the full length. To add stands on the side there will be lots of works to match it in with the existing. things like the existing stairs access etc, electrics, toilets and even the ground level on the east side would need to be levelled off.
Ultimately it does come down to money but if we are going to just get a bodge job then I would say it is money wasted. If we are looking for investment to fund it then surely a modern new stand is going to provide lots more revenue generating facilities and sponsorship rather than an impractical eyesore where you can't even see all of the pitch.
We could always follow notts forest's lead and look to a shipping container structure.
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Post by Russgas on Nov 14, 2023 10:12:06 GMT
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Post by amgas on Nov 14, 2023 10:16:40 GMT
Still like the idea of reviving the student accommodation or even a hotel - block at each end of the east - built before knocking down the stand - would have minimal impact on use of ground during build.
Ground floor of one club shop and convenience store, hospitality in the other ( which could double as hotel restaurant ) etc student accommodation or hotel rooms above.
Then knock down existing east and build a stand similar to the south but bigger and with a cantileaver roof.
Two advantages - replace some of the interior space from knocking down the east and help fund with the hotel / student accommodation.
Personally would do the North before the East as better to replace standing than seats ..... the original plans had a student block in the north west corner and there is no reason that could not be built as well.
Basically a cut down version of the old scheme with the West and South as they are now and using the cheaper stands.
Maybe eventually extend the West to replace the family standing or build a stand matching the south west there.
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Post by ifollowgas on Nov 14, 2023 10:16:56 GMT
What happens with the east stand is somewhat dependent on what the long term aims of the club are. When the owners say their focus is now on redeveloping the mem are they saying this is an interim measure for 5-10 year and they still have the aim to move to a new stadium at some future date or are they saying this is it, The mem will be rovers home for the future and we won't ever look for a new stadium? If it is the latter then it seems very short sighted to bolt on some sort of Frankenstein job either side of the east stand. We'll be throwing good money after bad and I still don't believe it will be any cheaper than demolition of the existing stand and new build the full length. To add stands on the side there will be lots of works to match it in with the existing. things like the existing stairs access etc, electrics, toilets and even the ground level on the east side would need to be levelled off. Ultimately it does come down to money but if we are going to just get a bodge job then I would say it is money wasted. If we are looking for investment to fund it then surely a modern new stand is going to provide lots more revenue generating facilities and sponsorship rather than an impractical eyesore where you can't even see all of the pitch. We could always follow notts forest's lead and look to a shipping container structure. Extending the current East Stand both sides to the full length of the pitch and putting seats on the North Terrace won’t contribute enough to achieving the owner’s ambition of a stadium with total 17-18k capacity. Nor will it provide the modern facilities required to attract the 5k+ additional paying customers needed to make stadium development worthwhile. The owners should conclude that the sensible solution is to replace the current poorly designed archaic monstrosity with at least something similar to the new stand at Swindon. Anything less will just be a bodge. |
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