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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2024 15:05:47 GMT
Still don’t see why they can’t allow fans to see the artist impressions of what they are discussing with the planners. Indeed, why can't Rovers show us a picture of the something the planners might say "You can't build that mate" too Simple really the less time the locals have to set up their protest group the better, personally I'd sooner us get pp for a new stand in a reasonable time frame, than be shown artist impressions now of stand we might not see built for a couple of years. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 8, 2024 15:12:02 GMT
Indeed, why can't Rovers show us a picture of the something the planners might say "You can't build that mate" too Simple really the less time the locals have to set up their protest group the better, personally I'd sooner us get pp for a new stand in a reasonable time frame, than be shown artist impressions now of stand we might not see built for a couple of years. Think you might have missed the sarcasm there Topper. I have seen enough pictures of stuff we have never built for more than one life time. Only interested personally in seeing anything as and when we get permission to build it and work actually starting |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 15:56:09 GMT
Indeed, why can't Rovers show us a picture of the something the planners might say "You can't build that mate" too Simple really the less time the locals have to set up their protest group the better, personally I'd sooner us get pp for a new stand in a reasonable time frame, than be shown artist impressions now of stand we might not see built for a couple of years. That 'tell them nothing' approach didn't work very well for the South Stand, did it? I'd rather everything was open and honest and everyone was fully consulted or this time we'll be facing injunctions, judicial reviews, referrals back to planning and all sorts. You can't pull the wool over people's eyes nowadays and trying to do it by stealth will result in longer delays imo. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2024 16:49:26 GMT
Simple really the less time the locals have to set up their protest group the better, personally I'd sooner us get pp for a new stand in a reasonable time frame, than be shown artist impressions now of stand we might not see built for a couple of years. That 'tell them nothing' approach didn't work very well for the South Stand, did it? I'd rather everything was open and honest and everyone was fully consulted or this time we'll be facing injunctions, judicial reviews, referrals back to planning and all sorts. You can't pull the wool over people's eyes nowadays and trying to do it by stealth will result in longer delays imo. Surely getting BCC planners on board at the very start is the sensible thing to do, clearly somebody was funding Trash in the background as you can't imagine the local residents being able to fund a JR. Regardless you'd hope BNP Parabis know how to deal with such applications rather than the previous Wael/TG set up. |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 8, 2024 17:02:04 GMT
Now Labour are in and the fact we gave them such public backing I hope this is top 5 of Starmers list.
Sounds like they are all for building houses, hope stadiums are also on that list.
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Post by eric on Jul 8, 2024 18:06:49 GMT
Supporters bottom of the list of priorities as usual. We know the owners have plans for East and North parts of the ground and they know we’ve been let down many times the past whilst large numbers of the fanbase remain suspicious of the owners- treat us like adults and keep everything as open and transparent as possible imo.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2024 18:17:12 GMT
Supporters bottom of the list of priorities as usual. We know the owners have plans for East and North parts of the ground and they know we’ve been let down many times the past whilst large numbers of the fanbase remain suspicious of the owners- treat us like adults and keep everything as open and transparent as possible imo. Surely most fans priority is the club getting pp so that the stand can be built, not seeing some nice drawings of something which might never be built. |
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Post by eric on Jul 8, 2024 18:26:07 GMT
Supporters bottom of the list of priorities as usual. We know the owners have plans for East and North parts of the ground and they know we’ve been let down many times the past whilst large numbers of the fanbase remain suspicious of the owners- treat us like adults and keep everything as open and transparent as possible imo. Surely most fans priority is the club getting pp so that the stand can be built, not seeing some nice drawings of something which might never be built. Is there evidence that allowing pre planning permission drawings to be viewed adversely affects planning decision outcomes? Like I said, there is still suspicion of the owners and there was a huge malaise around the club since before Christmas and I believe season ticket sales are down? If I was the owner I’d want to get the fanbase fully behind them. I think there are enough positives to releasing a bit more detail of their plans to make it worthwhile |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 8, 2024 18:34:20 GMT
Supporters bottom of the list of priorities as usual. We know the owners have plans for East and North parts of the ground and they know we’ve been let down many times the past whilst large numbers of the fanbase remain suspicious of the owners- treat us like adults and keep everything as open and transparent as possible imo. Surely most fans priority is the club getting pp so that the stand can be built, not seeing some nice drawings of something which might never be built. How far off is it going to planning permission stage then? Excuse my ignorance, but who is signing it off to make sure it is water tight before it goes to the planners? Didn't realise there were 2 rounds of approval. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 8, 2024 18:34:52 GMT
Surely most fans priority is the club getting pp so that the stand can be built, not seeing some nice drawings of something which might never be built. Is there evidence that allowing pre planning permission drawings to be viewed adversely affects planning decision outcomes? Like I said, there is still suspicion of the owners and there was a huge malaise around the club since before Christmas and I believe season ticket sales are down? If I was the owner I’d want to get the fanbase fully behind them. I think there are enough positives to releasing a bit more detail of their plans to make it worthwhile We as a fanbase could definitely do with something to lift spirits Eric . Wouldn’t it be great if we were genuinely surprised by how good the design was ? |
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Post by fanboy on Jul 8, 2024 18:40:24 GMT
Now Labour are in and the fact we gave them such public backing I hope this is top 5 of Starmers list. Sounds like they are all for building houses, hope stadiums are also on that list. I’m a bit disappointed he didn’t address The Memorial Stadium redevelopment in his first speech as PM! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2024 18:51:36 GMT
Surely most fans priority is the club getting pp so that the stand can be built, not seeing some nice drawings of something which might never be built. Is there evidence that allowing pre planning permission drawings to be viewed adversely affects planning decision outcomes? Like I said, there is still suspicion of the owners and there was a huge malaise around the club since before Christmas and I believe season ticket sales are down? If I was the owner I’d want to get the fanbase fully behind them. I think there are enough positives to releasing a bit more detail of their plans to make it worthwhile Assuming BNP Parabis are advising the club when to release the plans to the general public, then you'd have to hope they know more about these things than your average forum poster? Pretty certain when NH released the UWE plans SG planners must have already seen them and given them the thumbs up, if not, our agents did a brilliant job getting pp without having to make any major changes |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2024 18:53:40 GMT
Surely most fans priority is the club getting pp so that the stand can be built, not seeing some nice drawings of something which might never be built. How far off is it going to planning permission stage then? Excuse my ignorance, but who is signing it off to make sure it is water tight before it goes to the planners? Didn't realise there were 2 rounds of approval. 1) How can anybody on here answer that question? 2) pre-application planning |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 8, 2024 18:58:33 GMT
Well wasn't this pre planning meeting months ago now. What are we doing,do we keep going back until there is nothing wrong. Surely everyone would do this almost no need for it to then go through another round after a formal submission. Just more time, effort and money wasted. |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Jul 8, 2024 21:00:54 GMT
Well wasn't this pre planning meeting months ago now. What are we doing,do we keep going back until there is nothing wrong. Surely everyone would do this almost no need for it to then go through another round after a formal submission. Just more time, effort and money wasted. As counterproductive as it sounds, rounds of preplanning actually save time, effort and money by ironing out all of the creases before a submission. it is actually also being generally encouraged even at the lowest level of project now too for the same reasons. From the LPA side of things, unless you have all forgotten, there was a huge staff deficit and a crippling backlog just this time last year. The backlog itself still exists although it is now minuscule. The staffing is better but still being bought up to speed and constantly changing - departments are being streamlined and contact time being minimised during applications. Therefore by getting all of your information lined up through pre application process, however long that takes, is your best chance of success. A major application at the Mem will always be political (see South Stand) so we have to make sure the rest of the development is policy compliant for when the opposition comes out in force. Suppose we could release a jazzy YouTube video of a development that isn’t going to happen to keep everyone happy though instead? |
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Post by eric on Jul 8, 2024 21:25:12 GMT
Well wasn't this pre planning meeting months ago now. What are we doing,do we keep going back until there is nothing wrong. Surely everyone would do this almost no need for it to then go through another round after a formal submission. Just more time, effort and money wasted. As counterproductive as it sounds, rounds of preplanning actually save time, effort and money by ironing out all of the creases before a submission. it is actually also being generally encouraged even at the lowest level of project now too for the same reasons. From the LPA side of things, unless you have all forgotten, there was a huge staff deficit and a crippling backlog just this time last year. The backlog itself still exists although it is now minuscule. The staffing is better but still being bought up to speed and constantly changing - departments are being streamlined and contact time being minimised during applications. Therefore by getting all of your information lined up through pre application process, however long that takes, is your best chance of success. A major application at the Mem will always be political (see South Stand) so we have to make sure the rest of the development is policy compliant for when the opposition comes out in force. Suppose we could release a jazzy YouTube video of a development that isn’t going to happen to keep everyone happy though instead? Does that mean there has to be absolute radio silence and not even the slightest update for the fans (who are still quite important to a club?). Why can they not say we’ve submitted some initial plans for pre-planning discussions with BCC which include (for example) demolition of the north end and a brand new X seater single tier stand and extension of existing east stand with new seating area added to the front. At least giving some insight into how extensive a rebuild they are hoping to achieve. If on pitch performances continue from last season things could get quite toxic for the new owner and something even slightly positive off the pitch could make a huge difference for them. I can why fans get so frustrated as we’re just customers or naughty kids in the eyes of those running professional clubs these days - most other walks of life are having more openness and transparency but we’re going the other way. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 8, 2024 22:24:11 GMT
Mindset management seems pretty important to me.
We came straight out with the plans for the South Stand and it left planners, certain politicians and most of all local residents with a foul taste in their mouth.
They claimed they had not been consulted on the build. It was then difficult to row back from it and get people own side.
If you approach the new build from the mindset of getting everyone on board before you put the application in you make it difficult for people to object. You remove the criticism that they haven't been adequately consulted on the matter. Releasing the plans publicly before all of this has been done runs the risk of watering people off and having to bend over backwards to placate them to get stuff done.
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 9, 2024 1:57:37 GMT
Yep , the 25,000 mega stand is certainly going to upset a few. No way am I climbing up and down all them steps every time I want a sausage roll. I’ll have to get the Missus a ST. Hopefully we’ll get something similar to Carlisle’s Mish Mash Stand then I can go by myself. |
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jul 9, 2024 6:50:44 GMT
Mindset management seems pretty important to me. We came straight out with the plans for the South Stand and it left planners, certain politicians and most of all local residents with a foul taste in their mouth. They claimed they had not been consulted on the build. It was then difficult to row back from it and get people own side. If you approach the new build from the mindset of getting everyone on board before you put the application in you make it difficult for people to object. You remove the criticism that they haven't been adequately consulted on the matter. Releasing the plans publicly before all of this has been done runs the risk of watering people off and having to bend over backwards to placate them to get stuff done. Only difference last time is that we had Marvin and Kev on board when it came to the backlash. Now we’ve scrapped the mayor and the greens have a majority in the council, I really worry about the level of objections they will apply to anything new we propose. Might be wrong, but they were the loudest opponents to the south stand, and we can never forget their support for TRASH. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 9, 2024 7:03:51 GMT
Yep , the 25,000 mega stand is certainly going to upset a few. No way am I climbing up and down all them steps every time I want a sausage roll. I’ll have to get the Missus a ST. Hopefully we’ll get something similar to Carlisle’s Mish Mash Stand then I can go by myself. All sausage rolls to be delivered by drones direct to your seat 💺 |
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