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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 21:51:31 GMT
The team stayed away under DC and Cogs as well. They stayed overnight at Derby as well a few weeks ago. Surely people can see a long day travelling isn’t beneficial when they could be working on shape and tactics for the game as a northern clubs training ground. This is basic common sense surely? Derby was a 15:00 KO so I would expect an overnight stay. I can obviously see some benefits but certainly not all, but we are a 3rd Division team trying to watch our expenditure. But they can leave for Derby at 9 and be there for 12? As I’ve said in another post the biggest worry for me is cutting out stuff that will benefit the side |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Dec 11, 2023 21:55:39 GMT
It was a regular thing. My source is a player that played under both managers. Anything 3 hours or so away they’d be staying. 👍🏻 So under DC and Cogs they stayed overnight if the ground was 3 hours or more away, for an evening KO? No they didn't and I know that as went to some of the away games and would see the team bus on the Motorway. |
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Post by onefindunford on Dec 11, 2023 21:56:25 GMT
Derby was a 15:00 KO so I would expect an overnight stay. I can obviously see some benefits but certainly not all, but we are a 3rd Division team trying to watch our expenditure. But they can leave for Derby at 9 and be there for 12? As I’ve said in another post the biggest worry for me is cutting out stuff that will benefit the side Obviously that would be wrong I think we all agree with that. This discussion was about staying overnight before a evening KO. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 21:58:26 GMT
But they can leave for Derby at 9 and be there for 12? As I’ve said in another post the biggest worry for me is cutting out stuff that will benefit the side Obviously that would be wrong I think we all agree with that. This discussion was about staying overnight before a evening KO. serious question, do you think it’s better for the team to be in a coach on the motorway or already up North on a training ground doing a light session working on shape etc? |
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Post by onefindunford on Dec 11, 2023 22:04:27 GMT
Obviously that would be wrong I think we all agree with that. This discussion was about staying overnight before a evening KO. serious question, do you think it’s better for the team to be in a coach on the motorway or already up North on a training ground doing a light session working on shape etc? For a 19:45 KO I think it is better for them to travel on the day of the game. They either have a light training session at The Quarters in the morning, or travel in the morning and have a light training session early afternoon at a training ground near to Crewe. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 22:06:11 GMT
serious question, do you think it’s better for the team to be in a coach on the motorway or already up North on a training ground doing a light session working on shape etc? For a 19:45 KO I think it is better for them to travel on the day of the game. They either have a light training session at The Quarters in the morning, or travel in the morning and have a light training session early afternoon at a training ground near to Crewe. Fair enough. I disagree and think they’ll be benefitted by less travel on the day of a game. |
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Post by onefindunford on Dec 11, 2023 22:08:53 GMT
For a 19:45 KO I think it is better for them to travel on the day of the game. They either have a light training session at The Quarters in the morning, or travel in the morning and have a light training session early afternoon at a training ground near to Crewe. Fair enough. I disagree and think they’ll be benefitted by less travel on the day of a game. Fair enough it’s healthy to disagree! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 22:09:03 GMT
We can debate it all day long, the sports science, the saving of money, Matty Taylor and the management team are not happy with the decision and that tells you it all.
I forget his name so I type the owners son, it was his decision to cancel the hotel rooms, under Wael Al Qadi they would have stayed over tonight in a hotel.
The new ownership have made this decision. Life tells me and us, when you start making cut backs involving the first team, it only goes one way. You can cut club staff, bring in ticketmaster, cut U21’s sides but cutting back on the first team eventually catches up with you.
Maybe we will win tomorrow night and this will be full of banter about hotel rooms etc!!!! I am still going, looking forward to tomorrow night.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 22:49:22 GMT
Just call him "VP"?
I guess our away form since the turn of the year has been so poor it hardly supports the expense of hotel stays.
You sense the money is no object times under Wael are over and we now need to live within our means? Although the likes of Stevenage seem to be doing OK without running up annual debts of £3m+.
Given most of our players seem to be NW based are they really all going to travel to Bristol today just to travel back to the NW?
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Post by pennardgas on Dec 11, 2023 23:08:49 GMT
Just call him "VP"? I guess our away form since the turn of the year has been so poor it hardly supports the expense of hotel stays. You sense the money is no object times under Wael are over and we now need to live within our means? Although the likes of Stevenage seem to be doing OK without running up annual debts of £3m+. Given most of our players seem to be NW based are they really all going to travel to Bristol today just to travel back to the NW? NW based. If I take a job in a certain locality, I expect to be moving there, even if it's just renting because of a short term contract. Fair enough the kids can't afford that, but the First team & senior pros surely should live within an hour of the training ground and stadium. They are certainly paid well enough to relocate. The idea of large parts of the squad wishing their lives away or doing huge commutes post match/pre training seems mad & must surely lead to cliques, tiredness and all sorts expenses- fiscal, mental and physical. Is just old fashioned to expect players to want to be part of or invest in the community & clubs that support them? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 23:11:39 GMT
Just call him "VP"? I guess our away form since the turn of the year has been so poor it hardly supports the expense of hotel stays. You sense the money is no object times under Wael are over and we now need to live within our means? Although the likes of Stevenage seem to be doing OK without running up annual debts of £3m+. Given most of our players seem to be NW based are they really all going to travel to Bristol today just to travel back to the NW? They haven’t got the Vito to carry them around anymore! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 23:13:25 GMT
Just call him "VP"? I guess our away form since the turn of the year has been so poor it hardly supports the expense of hotel stays. You sense the money is no object times under Wael are over and we now need to live within our means? Although the likes of Stevenage seem to be doing OK without running up annual debts of £3m+. Given most of our players seem to be NW based are they really all going to travel to Bristol today just to travel back to the NW? NW based. If I take a job in a certain locality, I expect to be moving there, even if it's just renting because of a short term contract. Fair enough the kids can't afford that, but the First team & senior pros surely should live within an hour of the training ground and stadium. They are certainly paid well enough to relocate. The idea of large parts of the squad wishing their lives away or doing huge commutes post match/pre training seems mad & must surely lead to cliques, tiredness and all sorts expenses- fiscal, mental and physical. Is just old fashioned to expect players to want to be part of or invest in the community & clubs that support them? Most of the squad aren’t north west based anyway are they? Now all the staff are gone it’s only Evans and Finley that’ll be coming up and down the M6? And maybe Rossiter if he’s training. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 11, 2023 23:51:00 GMT
It’s not what’s been happening for the last 2 years though! Do you not find ita little worrying they are allegedly making cuts? Ask any manager what they’d prefer and they’ll say an overnight stay the night before the game. There’s a reason all the top clubs do it. I certainly don’t find the overnight stay in Crewe before an evening game being cut as worrying. I think we should be making these cuts. Did we stay overnight before playing away at Reading? I do. It's not as if we've swapped hotel rooms for a private jet. It's 4 hours on a coach. I |
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Post by mftc on Dec 12, 2023 8:56:53 GMT
I certainly don’t find the overnight stay in Crewe before an evening game being cut as worrying. I think we should be making these cuts. Did we stay overnight before playing away at Reading? I do. It's not as if we've swapped hotel rooms for a private jet. It's 4 hours on a coach. I I would imagine it is pretty much a luxury coach and I doubt it is going to be a solid journey, as they will stop off somewhere for a few hours for relaxing, a light meal, some exercises and tactics etc before a short journey to the ground. Performances and results would suggest it is not cost effective to pay hotel costs if we play badly and lose anyway. I remember last season, the players staying overnight on Monday for the league cup tie v bottom of the league Crawley at 7.45 on Tuesday. The R&R must have been very useful that evening! Definitely not value for money. With the players and entourage, under Joey were talking 25+ peoples accomodation. Even with mates rates that must rack up a lot of wasted dosh throughout a season. Wasn't there a bit of folklore that Andy Spring got wrecked and "performed" with some strippers at the True Blue club on a Friday night, slept in his car and then caught the coach on the morning to an away trip up north. It never affected his game! (sic)! |
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Post by percy on Dec 12, 2023 9:02:16 GMT
I do. It's not as if we've swapped hotel rooms for a private jet. It's 4 hours on a coach. I I would imagine it is pretty much a luxury coach and I doubt it is going to be a solid journey, as they will stop off somewhere for a few hours for relaxing, a light meal, some exercises and tactics etc before a short journey to the ground. Performances and results would suggest it is not cost effective to pay hotel costs if we play badly and lose anyway. I remember last season, the players staying overnight on Monday for the league cup tie v bottom of the league Crawley at 7.45 on Tuesday. The R&R must have been very useful that evening! Definitely not value for money. With the players and entourage, under Joey were talking 25+ peoples accomodation. Even with mates rates that must rack up a lot of wasted dosh throughout a season. Wasn't there a bit of folklore that Andy Spring got wrecked and "performed" with some strippers at the True Blue club on a Friday night, slept in his car and then caught the coach on the morning to an away trip up north. It never affected his game! (sic)! Sensible comments, but my concern would be - was this one cancelled last minute and against MT's wishes? More worrying if so, a phase out over time for certain games would make more sense. Especially as time training since he came in must be really limited. 3 game weeks and lost sessions due to frost and waterlogged pitches! Not the best prep, but still expect highly paid, professional players to get their heads right and stop sulking if thats what it is for a few. Not all. I'd make Evans captain over Finley for one, |
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Post by gasheadontour on Dec 12, 2023 9:08:38 GMT
If I remember rightly it used to be the case that clubs can claim expenses for an overnight stay etc against the gate receipts if traveling over a certain distance. Regardless, if the the club thinks the competition is a priority then they would be selecting the strongest team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 9:40:34 GMT
Just call him "VP"? I guess our away form since the turn of the year has been so poor it hardly supports the expense of hotel stays. You sense the money is no object times under Wael are over and we now need to live within our means? Although the likes of Stevenage seem to be doing OK without running up annual debts of £3m+. Given most of our players seem to be NW based are they really all going to travel to Bristol today just to travel back to the NW? NW based. If I take a job in a certain locality, I expect to be moving there, even if it's just renting because of a short term contract. Fair enough the kids can't afford that, but the First team & senior pros surely should live within an hour of the training ground and stadium. They are certainly paid well enough to relocate. The idea of large parts of the squad wishing their lives away or doing huge commutes post match/pre training seems mad & must surely lead to cliques, tiredness and all sorts expenses- fiscal, mental and physical. Is just old fashioned to expect players to want to be part of or invest in the community & clubs that support them? think if you are forcing a player to rent with all the associated costs and still keep his home either up north or London so so he can be a hour from his place of work you will definitely struggle to get quality in unless the cash bag is rattled.not when they have so much choice around them where their homes are. |
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Post by pennardgas on Dec 12, 2023 20:10:38 GMT
NW based. If I take a job in a certain locality, I expect to be moving there, even if it's just renting because of a short term contract. Fair enough the kids can't afford that, but the First team & senior pros surely should live within an hour of the training ground and stadium. They are certainly paid well enough to relocate. The idea of large parts of the squad wishing their lives away or doing huge commutes post match/pre training seems mad & must surely lead to cliques, tiredness and all sorts expenses- fiscal, mental and physical. Is just old fashioned to expect players to want to be part of or invest in the community & clubs that support them? think if you are forcing a player to rent with all the associated costs and still keep his home either up north or London so so he can be a hour from his place of work you will definitely struggle to get quality in unless the cash bag is rattled.not when they have so much choice around them where their homes are. Unless, of course, no other team wants them, or at least, not at that level. The cash bag has been, we are told, rattled quite a lot with this lot. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 20:34:41 GMT
We can debate it all day long, the sports science, the saving of money, Matty Taylor and the management team are not happy with the decision and that tells you it all. I forget his name so I type the owners son, it was his decision to cancel the hotel rooms, under Wael Al Qadi they would have stayed over tonight in a hotel. The new ownership have made this decision. Life tells me and us, when you start making cut backs involving the first team, it only goes one way. You can cut club staff, bring in ticketmaster, cut U21’s sides but cutting back on the first team eventually catches up with you. Maybe we will win tomorrow night and this will be full of banter about hotel rooms etc!!!! I am still going, looking forward to tomorrow night. Like a new side up here, feck booking.com, I think we need to get into Mountain Warehouse and look at tents for Friday night stop overs, these boys are on fire. |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 12, 2023 20:41:11 GMT
Ageing well.
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